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post #1 of 86
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Xbox is set to take the lead over GameCube in 2003 in the U.S., according to latest reports, with sales of Xbox predicted to more than triple and GameCube’s more than double.

Xbox: On target for 2nd place?
The Ziff Davis Media Game Group carried out a survey on 2000 games players, 15 per cent of which wanted to buy an Xbox, in comparison to nine per cent for GameCube. Based on the figures Ziff Davis predicted that in 2003 the Xbox installed base in the U.S. will rise to 13.7 million homes (currently 3.8 million), compared to 11.2 million (currently 4.8 million) for GameCube.

In addition the study predicted that the PS2 user base of 14.1 million units will rise to 24.1 million by 2003.

Other findings showed 50 per cent of Xbox owners have broadband Internet connection, compared with 41 per cent of PS2 owners and just 31 per cent of GameCube owners.

from <a href="http://www.indiemagazine.co.uk/cgi-bin/news.cgi?id=561&section=0" target="_blank">Indie Magazine</a>
post #2 of 86
I'm not really surprised. Nintendo hasn't done enough to sell their system over here. Aside from promoting the hell out of Resident Evil, Nintendo must be assuming that everyone knows what great titles they've got coming out this year.

Microsoft has definitely outdone Nintendo in promoting their system, and it's really a shame because I don't think the casual gamers out there have given the Gamecube any serious consideration.
post #3 of 86
MS is doing the big-blitz on the X-Box's online capabilities this fall, in addition to setting the stage of the dominance of Halo 2 for 2003. And that doesn't cover the host of big titles on the way like Unreal Championship, Shemue 2, Splinter Cell and a host of others...all of which are GUARANTEED for 2002.

Meanwhile, Nintendo...MIGHT ship a Metroid title this year. And it MIGHT be good.

Which system would YOU be more excited about if you were the average teenage gamer looking to get a console?
post #4 of 86
Of course it's all a matter of game tastes, but there's alot more than Metroid I'm looking forward to before the end of the year.

I agree that the X-Box's promise of online play is a deal-maker to many, but it's not a proven feature. There's a long list of things that can sour X-Box Live. Lack of customer support, lack of titles, lag, glitches...it seems that Microsoft has done a good job instilling consumers with so much faith in something that, so far, has never worked (who remembers the Sega Channel?).

The bottom line is that Gamecube and X-Box are two very different consoles, and maybe the X-Box just has what the majority wants. But my impression is that Nintendo has done a very poor job selling it's strengths over the X-Box, which are it's exclusive titles and, IMO, much more diversified library.
post #5 of 86
PS2 is still the king... and it's good to be the king.
post #6 of 86
software...dammit. cube needs to get decent software out there to fulfill the appetites of gamers. It is bad when you buy a system, and spend more time reading about other console's games thirsty for some of that action rather than playing with your own...which is what I find myself doing in the bathroom. Looking at reviews for the ps2/xbox/gba games on the market.

I'm not sorry for buying a cube; pikmin, smash bros, rogue squadron, and eternal darkness have been fine alternatives to pc gaming...but it's not enough. At least my wife digs the system, so it's not a complete bust.
post #7 of 86
OK those that know me prepare to be shocked.

If I had to rank my systems RIGHT NOW I would put the Cube first followed by the PS2 and then the Xbox. I'm really looking forward to Super Mario Sunshine and Super Monkey Ball 2 and next month brings Star Fox. The PS2 has online capabilities and SOCOM this month and I'm currently loving Mark of Kri. The Xbox has Buffy and Dead to Rights this month.

This will all change in the future with potentially huge games like Splinter Cell, Steel Battalion, Brute Force and Xbox Live coming for the Xbox.

It is disappointing that the poor marketing and slow pace of title releases has hindered the Cube because the system does have a great deal of potential.
post #8 of 86
I'd say RIGHT NOW, X-Box is definitely in last place. PS2 is first simply because of the forthcoming SOCOM: Navy Seals, Kingdom Hearts, and what will probably be the best game of the fall- GTA: Vice City.

And Super Mario Sunshine for GC- 'nuff said.

However, whenever the hell Project Ego comes out for X-Box it's gonna knock the competition away.
post #9 of 86
G.O.T. .... you're right you shocked me...I had you pegged as mainly an X-Box fan.

Up till earlier this year I had been PS2 only...but I slowly warmed to X-Box early on this year. Then my wife surprised me with an X-Box on Valentines day and I've been all over it ever since. I always knew the hardware was stronger than PS2 but the games just hadn't shown the promise of all that hardware muscle...until now...with stuff like Splinter Cell (the lighting alone looks outstanding !!). Unreal Championship and Ghost Recon are also both looking great and X-Box Live should just send everything over the top. I love their online plan....clean and sweet...one username for all games...live voice chat in all games. Great plan.

I still play my PS2 quite a bit though...and like you have been loving Mark of Kri. Socom is looking great too.

The Cube - the hardware is nice and it definitely can pump great graphics but I have had it with this quality over quantity deal of theirs which amounts to 1 good game per quarter if we're lucky. Aaaarrggghhhh...although I do want to get my hands on one eventually if just for the Resident Evil titles. My N64 days still haunt me though...I must have bought about 6 titles through the whole life of that system.
post #10 of 86
All I know is that I finally receive my XBox tomorrow! Woohoo!

To the topic at hand: Nintendo brings quality, that's for sure, but I think they're constant delays and retoolings have hurt them. XBox may not have as many "big" quality titles, but games are released on a steady basis. I think that's a big factor in which system "wins." Both systems have some awesome looking games coming soon. I really don't think the Gamecube has been given a fully fair chance yet. It will be interesting to see how things stand a year from now.
post #11 of 86
....and I forgot to mention Panzer Dragoon Orta, Metal Gear Solid Substance, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, Project Ego, Ninja Gaiden....the list goes on and on....finally.

At first I had nicknamed it the Port-Box instead of X-Box !! Lovin' it now....
post #12 of 86
I'm confused here.

Why does everyone say "As of RIGHT NOW, the Gamcube is first/X-Box is last," and then go on to talk only about games that WILL be coming out for GameCube and Xbox in the future.

As of RIGHT NOW, there IS, not will be, but is nothing on Gamecube even close to being close to being comparable to X-Box's Halo, so on that title alone X-box wins.
post #13 of 86
But one title unfortunately doesn't make up for a very thin library. The sheer abundance of games in PS2's arsenal is what keeps it on top for now. Gamecube is not absolved of that, it's even worse than X-Box when it comes to variety, but then again there is no Resident Evil on X-Box, which IMHO has the best graphics i've seen yet on ANY system EVER.

But i'm sticking with PS2 being the best for now because of it's upcoming titles and the quality of the large number of titles it already has.
post #14 of 86
I think both X-Box and Gamecube suck (to use an over-used phrase) as of right now. PS2 has more games, better games, and is just he best investment. PS2 isn't going anywhere... at least until PS3 shows up (yes, they are working on it as we speak). However, of the two, Gamecube reeks the least. The games on Gamecube are fewer in number than either X-Box or PS2, but the quality of those games is much higher. But, that's how it's always been with Nintendo.

But, I really can't say which will come in second place in the end. All I can say is that one of them will take a place next to the Dreamcast six feet under the cold, dry ground. I don't think anyone can say which one that will be... as both Gamecube and X-Box are not doing so hot.

My prediction is that the X-Box will edge out the Gamecube. Not only does X-Box have a better online strategy, they also have much better marketing. Nintendo... well, they have shit-ass marketing and practically no online game plan as of now.

PS2 is still the way to go and will always be the way to go... and I was once a loyal Nintendo fan...
post #15 of 86
Micah when I look at my Cube titles: Pikmin, Luigis Mansion, SW Rogue Leader, Super Monkey Ball, Super Smash Brothers, and Eternal Darkness I don't have any real issues or regrets about any of them. And Super Mario Sunshine, and Super Monkey Ball 2 will be here soon and I expect the same level of quality. Granted they don't all appeal to everyone but they are still solid games none the less.

Now the Xbox, and you know how much I love it and all of it's potential Micah, has deliverd one incredible, damn near perfect game in Halo and some solid yet flawed titles in Dead or Alive 3, Oddworld, and Project Gotham.

So as for right now, and oddly enough, the Cube has a larger number of quality games than the Xbox.

Now if someone could only buy one system and they asked me which one to get I would still say the Xbox because it is head and shoulders above the other two in potential, it is an incredible bargain at $199, and Halo can keep you afloat for quite some time.

But if I had to pick only one system to play for the next month (and because I have played Halo to death already) I would pick the Cube.

So the RIGHT NOW rankings for me are:

Cube
PS2
Xbox

And the LONG TERM rankings are:

Xbox
Cube
PS2
post #16 of 86
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Verbal is Going Home:
But one title unfortunately doesn't make up for a very thin library. The sheer abundance of games in PS2's arsenal is what keeps it on top for now. Gamecube is not absolved of that, it's even worse than X-Box when it comes to variety, but then again there is no Resident Evil on X-Box, which IMHO has the best graphics i've seen yet on ANY system EVER.

But i'm sticking with PS2 being the best for now because of it's upcoming titles and the quality of the large number of titles it already has.
Thin library?

There's oodles of titles for X-Box in every genre imaginable. About the only one it's shallow in is Squaresoft-type RPGs. Elsewise...multiple much games, shooters, FPS games, sports games, action games, racing games.

Nintendo certainly doesn't have as many bases covered, and nowhere near as well. Only Sony does.

But when we're talking about exclusive quality titles, each system has a REAL SHORT LIST. Probably no more than 10 games on each. Honestly....get the big guns out of the way:

- Halo
- GTA
- Twisted Metal: Black
- Metal Gear Solid
- Mario
- Zelda
- Metroid

And what do you have? Virtually the same games showing up on each system. Sony, being that they came out of the gate first with a yearlong headstart, is naturally going to have more exclusives of slightly older titles like Devil May Cry or Final Fantasy. X-Box, with the power of MS behind them, has gotten exclusives like Ninja Gaiden and Dino Crisis 2.

But from this point onward...they're almost on equal footing.

What puts any above the other is what exclusive content they offer from here on out.

I'm re-purchasing a PS2 JUST for the new WWE Wrestling game coming in October to it, because it looks like the most complete and engaging WWE Wrestling game on a console in YEARS. And I do want to play Vice City.

But X-box has just as much exclusive stuff I'm looking forward to. MechAssault....Splinter Cell...Unreal Championship...nice.

Gamecube, on the other hand,....has shown me virtually nothing except for games I ALREADY played on N64. Smash Bros....already played it in it's first incarnation. Mario Sunshine....nearly identical to Mario 64. Metroid...looks new and pretty...but too early to make any other evaluation, and who knows when it will be complete?

When it comes to exclusive content...I think GC has the FAR weaker library of the big 3.
post #17 of 86
It's kind of ironic... I think Nintendo's secrecy policy and their great attention to detail in the quality of their games (which eats up time) is what's going to kill them in the end... that and shit-ass marketing.
post #18 of 86
Game Cube does have system sellers coming out that the X-Box can't touch. Mario, Metroid, Zelda and if you hop over to IGN they have the first screens and commercial up for the Cubes Final Fantasy game. If you have only one system get a PS2, but if you get a second I think the Cube is the way to go. Halo is great, but with Time Splitters 2 and the new Turok game less than a month off, the Box does not necessarily corner the market on console FPS anymore.
post #19 of 86
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ground control to otisthecat:
Game Cube does have system sellers coming out that the X-Box can't touch. Mario, Metroid, Zelda and if you hop over to IGN they have the first screens and commercial up for the Cubes Final Fantasy game. If you have only one system get a PS2, but if you get a second I think the Cube is the way to go. Halo is great, but with Time Splitters 2 and the new Turok game less than a month off, the Box does not necessarily corner the market on console FPS anymore.
But again...how can you sell the GameCube without doing it based on what MAY come.

Luigi's Mansion proved to me that in-house Nintendo games, even ones that they spent a lot of time and energy making, can be quite putrid and fallible.

I'll be the first to admit that at present - other than Halo - there are no other world-beating titles exclusive to Xbox.

But being able to play multi-platform titles in their best format is a pretty solid plus as well, especially since I go to get NFK2K3 this week and am waiting so FERVENTLY for that Robotech game to hit. Dead to Rights is another example of a multi-platform title being in its best (and earliest) incarnation on Xbox.
post #20 of 86
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ground control to otisthecat:
Game Cube does have system sellers coming out that the X-Box can't touch. Mario, Metroid, Zelda and if you hop over to IGN they have the first screens and commercial up for the Cubes Final Fantasy game. If you have only one system get a PS2, but if you get a second I think the Cube is the way to go. Halo is great, but with Time Splitters 2 and the new Turok game less than a month off, the Box does not necessarily corner the market on console FPS anymore.
I am a little less excited about Time Splitters two right now having played it on the Xbox demo disk. There was a "float" to the aiming mechanism that was rather annoying. Maybe they'll work it out, hell maybe it was intentional but it's there.

As for Turok, just like Time Splitters 2 it's multi-platform and thus will probably be best (graphics and extra content) on the Xbox.
post #21 of 86
I loved the hell out of Timesplitters 1, and if TS2 is more-of-the-same and improved... I won't mind at all.

The only thing that sucked about TS1 was the 1-player mode. It wasn't too dandy. But I've heard that's been fixed, so yippie.
post #22 of 86
[quote]mikah912:
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But again...how can you sell the GameCube without doing it based on what MAY come.
You can't, but that was my point, PS2 has both systems beat right now so if you have nothing get it. Judging by what is coming up though, if you want a second system get a Cube. Same goes if you already have a Box thought, if you want a second system get a Cube. And you really are kidding yourself micah if you don't think Zelda is going to sell some systems. It did for the 64, there is no reason it won't now.
post #23 of 86
Micah, simply by clicking over to your friendly <a href="http://www.videogames.com" target="_blank">Gamespot</a> you'd learn a ton.

First, it's obvious SSBM is very similar to its predecessor. It's basically the same gameplay but with a ton more features and characters.

Don't think for a second, though, that Super Mario Sunshine is nearly identical to Mario 64. I watched a long 3 part preview on it and it's ANYTHING but another "jump here, step on Goomba there, save Princess here" type situation. It's got a plot this time. It's extremely difficult.

I love X-Box just as much as the next guy, and maybe even more than the next guy. I absolutely loved Oddworld- every second of the game (until I got the bad ending) was a complete and utter joy and i've got great memories from it. There's nothing I can say about Halo that hasn't already been said. It's incredible.

But I don't know, I just find the library to be lacking. And the GC library is no better. But for both systems, I have IMMENSE hope for the future. Metroid Prime, Zelda, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (yes sir), StarFox for GC....for X-Box, Project Ego (the best game ever to-be if it's all it's cracked up to be), Shenmue II, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Splinter Cell....both systems' futures look very promising.

I'd love for all the systems to be equal but right now PS2 is tops for me when it comes to originality.
post #24 of 86
in the end though, the spoils go to the game boy advance...
post #25 of 86
I'm telling you guys... Game.Com will come back and kick all their asses.

<img src="http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9706/23/alternative.browsers/game.com.lg.jpg" alt="" />
post #26 of 86
[quote]ground control to otisthecat:
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You can't, but that was my point, PS2 has both systems beat right now so if you have nothing get it. Judging by what is coming up though, if you want a second system get a Cube. Same goes if you already have a Box thought, if you want a second system get a Cube. And you really are kidding yourself micah if you don't think Zelda is going to sell some systems. It did for the 64, there is no reason it won't now.
Um...what I said was that you cannot sell most gamers on Gamecube without mentioning future would-be mega-sellers, which only illustrates the weakness of the current library.

What you thought I said...still trying to figure that out.
post #27 of 86
I generally agree with mikah192. Nintendo does have a solid first-party lineup but I look at Sony and MS's and they're also sizing up to the challenge - plus a seemingly bigger third-party lineup. Whiel I can appreciate some of the things Nintendo are doing (like the exclusitivity of Resident Evil for example), I just see the Xbox garnering more and more potential, espescially in 2003. I just don't know whether I'll buy GCN as a second system because mainly, some of the titles just don't appeal to me aside from Eternal Darkness and say, Metroid Prime - and personally, the whole "Nintendo is our God" mantra constantly does irk me.

That's just me of course.

And on the topic of FF Gamecube, after seeing the scrawnty little footage of it, all I can think of is Final Fantasy Kids. There's just not alot of footage and info on it yet to really consider much now - but it's FF so I guess we'll see.

And on the subject of TS2, damn Eidos for canning the online mode for PS2! Off topic of course...
post #28 of 86
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terror_mike:
And on the subject of TS2, damn Eidos for canning the online mode for PS2! Off topic of course...
I'd really like to have all of the info on that one.
post #29 of 86
based on what i've seen and played, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Splinter Cell will (and deserves to) sell X-Boxes in a way that MGS2 helped move PS2s.
post #30 of 86
I think I might just pick up a GameCube. It's really going to be hard for me to resist playing that new Mario game. Plus they have some really nifty stuff coming. However, my experience with the anti-library of the Nintendo 64 has me a bit shaky.
post #31 of 86
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Dave Davis:
based on what i've seen and played, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Splinter Cell will (and deserves to) sell X-Boxes in a way that MGS2 helped move PS2s.
I think you're right Dave, and I'm increasingly afraid that this game will keep me away from the light of day for quite a while.
post #32 of 86
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God of Thunder:
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Dave Davis:
based on what i've seen and played, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Splinter Cell will (and deserves to) sell X-Boxes in a way that MGS2 helped move PS2s.
I think you're right Dave, and I'm increasingly afraid that this game will keep me away from the light of day for quite a while.
As a representative for those who walk in daylight, THANK YOU XBOX.
post #33 of 86
The thing is that Gamecube is so reasonably priced that if there was a single game you REALLY loved exclusive to the system, it wouldn't be too big of a deal to pick one up just for that game. I bought one just for WWE Wrestlemania X8, but when I found that game to be disappointing, the Gamecube had to go as well.

I'll give it another whirl if I hear enough good stuff about the new Mario being different AND great, or if Metroid is as amazing as it has the potential to be. I have no problem buying a Gamecube just for those.
post #34 of 86
He's on a roll, ladies and gentleman.
post #35 of 86
Damn ye Micah. Was referring to Nick's dis.
post #36 of 86
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Kevin Matchstick:
I think I might just pick up a GameCube. It's really going to be hard for me to resist playing that new Mario game. Plus they have some really nifty stuff coming. However, my experience with the anti-library of the Nintendo 64 has me a bit shaky.
Not only is Super Mario Sunshine supposed to be tougher than its predecessor, it's also gonna have a ton of replay- you will be collecting "Shines" just like you collected Stars in Mario 64 so that'll be cool.

And don't forget about Resident Evil 0- it's gonna be amazing.

I think this time next year we may be talking about Gamecube as the dominant system.
post #37 of 86
A new article on IGN says that Resident Evil 0 is even more beautiful than the one released this summer.
post #38 of 86
Plus, if I get GC, I can borrow even more games from GoT. Praise be.
post #39 of 86
<a href="http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=3288" target="_blank">Here</a> is a link to 11 movies from the demo of the Japanese version of RE:0. It looks mighty fine. The lighting is awe-inspiring.
post #40 of 86
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Nick Nunziata:
As a representative for those who walk in daylight, THANK YOU XBOX.
Sometimes a thread doesn't need a smartass.

Fuck your mother!
post #41 of 86
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Verbal is Seeing Things:
I think this time next year we may be talking about Gamecube as the dominant system.
You're joking, right?
post #42 of 86
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God of Thunder:
A new article on IGN says that Resident Evil 0 is even more beautiful than the one released this summer.
Is there any word on a LONG OVERDUE improved control scheme for this one?
post #43 of 86
If you try the game it really does feel better than the previous versions and the quick 180 degree button is very useful.
post #44 of 86
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God of Thunder:
If you try the game it really does feel better than the previous versions and the quick 180 degree button is very useful.
By the time I buy another Gamecube, I'm hoping this will be a "best seller" and priced down to $20.

I'd pick it up then...no question.
post #45 of 86
Metroid Prime
Zelda
StarFox Adventures
A new Mario Kart game
Oh, and Resident Evil 4

Say what you want....those are titles that make systems.
post #46 of 86
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Verbal is Seeing Things:
Metroid Prime
Zelda
StarFox Adventures
A new Mario Kart game
Oh, and Resident Evil 4

Say what you want....those are titles that make systems.
Riddle me this, Verbal.

If the number one system has sold approximately FOUR times as many consoles as you have with NO signs of slowing down, and the number three is nipping at your heels and on track to outsell you by a good margin, how is it exactly that you are going to be "the dominant system"?

Mario does sell systems...to people who already like Nintendo. It didn't propel N64 into a leading position, nor will it do so here.

Metroid...depends on if the game is good. And even if it is, I highly doubt that game as an FPS shooter is going to set the video game world on its ear when Halo 2 will probably coming JUST after Metroid does with online play lag-free right out of the box. See Half-Life on the PC if you need to know what a dedicated online play community will do for the longevity of a game.

StarFox? Mario Kart? System sellers? PLEASE.

And if Resident EVil is such a system seller, why are the Gamecube sales lagging toward last place?
post #47 of 86
Everyone always throws up "online lag-free play" when I couldn't really care less about the online play if I don't have a quality single player experience. It's nice to have lag-free play, but people get stupid and argumentative when they play online. I should know. No way in hell will a console game ever amass the type of community something like Half-Life has. Player made mods, skins, sound files, game types- there's no way it can ever match that because the capabilities are not even close to being that open-ended.

Personally, I don't care about sales figures. If sales figures really portrayed what the good games or the good systems were, PC games would be selling more than anyone. A ton of quality games are on the PC, they have been for years. But they don't sell as much as Final Fantasy or Metal Gear Solid because they are niche games, not as easily identifiable by the plug and play generation.

Mario sells systems to people who loved Mario 64 and Super Mario RPG and Super Mario World and SMB 3, 2, and 1. Which was practically every gamer in the world. You're gonna tell me there are people who don't like Mario? I know people who swear by Sonic but love Mario and are religious when a new Mario game comes out. This thing will sell BIG. People are gonna buy Gamecubes for it, no doubt in my mind.

Are you not aware of the huge following Mario Kart also had? If I didn't have Gamecube, and Mario Kart was coming out tomorrow, i'd be buying a fucking Gamecube for Mario Kart. There are many like me in that respect. The Super NES version is a classic.

There's a reason why the Gamecube sales are lagging in last place, and I know you hate to hear this but it's the truth- there are no good games now. There are only a handful of good titles out- Requiem, SSBM, Resident Evil- and I think there are a ton of people waiting. And who wouldn't want to get an X-Box or a PS2- there are far more titles on those systems. That's what it has going against it. Right now. And throw in the fact that the GC is the only one without DVD capabilities, and you have a system with a modest value at best.

Right now.

When I go down the list of games for X-Box, I see a lot of ports. GTA3, Silent Hill 2, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance, Commandos 2, Genma Onimusha- and I see no real originality save for Project Ego, Splinter Cell, and obviously the Halo series. When I look over at the GC, I find original updates of my favorite games. For me, if I had to choose between the 2 it would be Gamecube without a doubt.

I have both. My Dad bought Gamecube, I bought X-Box. So this is not an "I hate X-Box" stance. And most of you know my love affair with PS2.

But if I were to look in my crystal ball I see a lot of solid titles for all 3. I'm so amazingly excited for PS2's lineup this fall. But for the far-off future, I see BETTER GAMES FOR GAMECUBE.

That's all.
post #48 of 86
I thought Splinter's Cell was going mult-platform? Am I correct in thinking that? I read it in EGM a while back.
post #49 of 86
And in reference to what I just typed, I know I can't speak for people's love for Mario. But he's easily the most recognizable game character and most loved game character in history.

And I also know some very cool people play online sometimes and don't let it get turned into a piss-match. But I don't have much enthusiasm for console online gaming. After seeing Massively Multiplayer environments and expansion of said environments throughout other titles on the PC, I hardly get excited for the consoles.
post #50 of 86
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Cheese Biscuits prefers alien love:
I thought Splinter's Cell was going mult-platform? Am I correct in thinking that? I read it in EGM a while back.
X-Box and PC.
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