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Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

post #1 of 44
4/26/02 at 12:43pm
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Holy shit, this was awful. And maybe it's just me, but it seemed like they tried to make a bad movie and were letting you know it throughout the film, those little camera winks. Why? Did Smith think it would be funny to make a terrible movie? I didn't find any satire at all. Shitty, shitty film, not entertaining in the least. Boo Kevin Smith, boo. Not as bad as Deuces Wild, but close.

Randal and some of the other Clerks people are scary in color.
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post #2 of 44
4/26/02 at 1:02pm
I have to agree. The in-jokes alone became really grating after the first half-hour. It looked as if it was made for cable.
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post #3 of 44
4/26/02 at 1:37pm
Randall's scary in color because he's been working out. He has about an extra 50 lbs in muscle mass since you saw him in black & white.
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post #4 of 44
4/26/02 at 1:38pm
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What are you, his fuckin' biographer?
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post #5 of 44
4/26/02 at 2:20pm
Even though it had one-tenth of the creativity of Dogma, I really enjoyed this movie. As for the in-jokes, I like movies that reward you for watching other movies. The guest appearances by Seann Williams Scott, James Vanderbeek and Jason Biggs were hilarious. Sure it was self-indulgent, but I don't mind it from Kevin Smith, as I admire his fanboy/geek-fantasy-come-true life story. And besides, Jason Mewes makes profanity sound like Shakespeare.

The only real annoyance to me, and this applies to any movie that employs this cliche, is the slow, sideways glace at the camera when a joke has been directed at themselves. Doing this once in a film is obscene, twice is blasphemy.
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post #6 of 44
4/26/02 at 2:27pm
Quote:
Frost:
Even though it had one-tenth of the creativity of Dogma
Ah, come on, it wasn't that bad, though it is sad when five films into your career you come off like late stage Mel Brooks.
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post #7 of 44
4/26/02 at 2:31pm
Naaah I liked it. Not as clever as his previous movies, and his weakest script to date but it was fun. Most of the jokes made me laugh and it was good seeing all the other characters one last time. He just wanted to make another stupid comedy a la Mallrats before moving on to other stuff and he did. Now I'm eager to see what he comes up with next.
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post #8 of 44
4/26/02 at 2:33pm
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Pants this movie.
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post #9 of 44
4/26/02 at 2:35pm
this movie was pretty much the second Meet The Parents-esque comedy I purchased. A dud. It stank. I got fucked up my stupid ass.

I hope someday they find Jason Mewes lying dead in a ditch.

All this coming from some dude who didn't get duped into seeing that attrocity of an easter egg.
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post #10 of 44
4/26/02 at 2:49pm
I enjoyed it a good bit at the screening, I think the energy from the crowd gave it additional life. It doesn't seem to stand on it's own as well when I view it at home though.
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post #11 of 44
4/26/02 at 2:52pm
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Kirby Drummond:
Pants this movie.
Truth this is.
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post #12 of 44
4/26/02 at 3:41pm
It was FUCKING CLOWN SHOES!
I dunno, i had i hopes for this movie but i didn't think it was funny at all.
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post #13 of 44
4/26/02 at 3:46pm
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I was really surprised at how bad it was. But I'm still curious about the winking to the camera.
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post #14 of 44
4/26/02 at 3:52pm
Not a great movie but some of the cut scenes are funny as hell, made me not feel so bad about buying this one.
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post #15 of 44
4/26/02 at 3:57pm
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But at least those films were real. They were encased worlds to get involved in. I enjoy all the Smith films. I own them all. But this thing, this in-joke, was mostly a joke on the audience. And it just feels like they wanted to make a really awful movie, like that was the point. And that's just not funny.
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post #16 of 44
4/26/02 at 4:05pm
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otisthecat:
Not a great movie but some of the cut scenes are funny as hell, made me not feel so bad about buying this one.
The Will Ferrell masterbation scene was perfect, they should have left that one in.

As for the winking at the camera, I hate it. If you want a bad joke in your movie, just put the bad joke in your movie and sink or swim with it. Don't put the bad joke in, then have everyone on screen look out into the audience for sympathy over how bad a joke it was, like they are all feeling guilty over being accomplices to it.
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post #17 of 44
4/26/02 at 4:21pm
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mongycore:
All this coming from some dude who didn't get duped into seeing that attrocity of an easter egg.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who foolishly looked at that easter egg. Although when my buddies heard me yell they came to see what I was yelling at. I decided to share the misforchant egg with them.
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post #18 of 44
4/26/02 at 5:05pm
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wade:
It was FUCKING CLOWN SHOES!
I dunno, i had i hopes for this movie but i didn't think it was funny at all.
Actually, the funniest thing about it was, I read some of the AICN talkbacks on Monday after it came out, and there was one talkbacker (The Warrior) who was claiming to have coined the phrase "clownshoes." He was pretty happy about it.

It was a fun movie, but releasing such a string of injokes to the theaters seems kinda silly. It should probably have been only on DVD, available online, or given out to members of the Kevin Smith fanclub, like those REM Christmas singles.
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post #19 of 44
4/26/02 at 8:19pm
"What are you, his fuckin' biographer?"
No, but when you see Clerks shortly after you see the cutscenes in between the Clerks Animated episodes, it's obvious. Maybe he got tired of sand in his face, and signed up for Atlas training.

I probably got more out of this movie due to recognizing half the people they were making fun of from conventions.
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post #20 of 44
6/22/02 at 8:41pm
Possibly the worst movie I've ever seen. Jason Mewes... I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. I'll never watch another masturbatory Kevin Smith movie again.

It's a sad thing when the best things about a movie are Shannon Elizabeth and Seann William Scott.
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post #21 of 44
6/23/02 at 12:40am
I enjoyed this flick...a lot.
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post #22 of 44
6/23/02 at 2:22am
Well good gawd folks. I loved the movie. I love it all they way. Some of you people really need to learn to laugh.

This was a movie made by a group of people for a group of people. Half the fun of the movie is seeing all these people do what they love with people they like. How else could you get so MANY actors and industry people to self-parody themselves. Maybe it's just me, but as far as this being the worst movie ever.... you seriously need to watch more than 3 movies per year.
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post #23 of 44
6/23/02 at 2:34am
i'm a fan of the inside jokes and specifically, this movie. it's no mallrats, which is my favorite, but it is certainly entertaining enough for me. and how can you NOT like will ferrell here?
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post #24 of 44
6/23/02 at 2:38am
This movie is fucking hilarious, the point is, it's not supposed to be a smart comedy, Jason Mewes cusses like poetry, the whole movie is like some druggie 13-year old wrote it, which, you have to admit is how everyone acts at one point in time. It's just really funny. End of story.
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post #25 of 44
6/23/02 at 4:03am
I avoided this film for ages, because Jay and Silent Bob were fast becoming an overused comedic crutch for Smith's films (did they really need to be in Chasing Amy?) and the idea of a whole movie based around a series of in-jokes just seemed dumb.

But eventually I got round to watching it, and quite enjoyed it. As a whole, it's a stinkfest, but there were enough choice moments scattered through the filth to paper over the comic-book plot - mostly from the cameos, like Jason Biggs and Dawson sending themselves up ("You're the pie-fucker"), and Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season remains the highlight and still makes me chuckle now.

But all in all, it's a couple of genuinely funny sketches crammed into a modern Cheech & Chong movie.

Now, how come nobody has pointed out that this is in the wrong forum yet?
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post #26 of 44
6/23/02 at 4:49am
Look at the date of the first post, that could answer your question.
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post #27 of 44
6/23/02 at 4:54am
Jesus! What are we, archaeologists here? Don't I feel like a dummy...
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post #28 of 44
6/23/02 at 7:19am
Quote:
ACoolT5:
Some of you people really need to learn to laugh.

Maybe it's just me, but as far as this being the worst movie ever.... you seriously need to watch more than 3 movies per year.
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Str1derv7:
This movie is fucking hilarious, the point is, it's not supposed to be a smart comedy, Jason Mewes cusses like poetry, the whole movie is like some druggie 13-year old wrote it, which, you have to admit is how everyone acts at one point in time. It's just really funny. End of story.
Well shucks, I've suddenly come to recognize the poetic genius that is Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back.

Over here we had a little movie called Ali G In Da House. This festering shite actually makes that movie look good.
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post #29 of 44
6/23/02 at 7:30am
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Dog Soldier:
Over here we had a little movie called Ali G In Da House. This festering shite actually makes that movie look good.
Ouch!
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post #30 of 44
6/23/02 at 10:55am
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Dan Whitehead vs Candid Gamera:
I avoided this film for ages, because Jay and Silent Bob were fast becoming an overused comedic crutch for Smith's films (did they really need to be in Chasing Amy?) and the idea of a whole movie based around a series of in-jokes just seemed dumb.
Well, I think they needed to be in Chasing Amy...After all, the comic book characters were based on them, and Silent Bob kinda tells the 'lil anecdote that's the basis for the TITLE of the MOVIE... wink
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post #31 of 44
6/23/02 at 2:23pm
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flyers:
Well, I think they needed to be in Chasing Amy...After all, the comic book characters were based on them, and Silent Bob kinda tells the 'lil anecdote that's the basis for the TITLE of the MOVIE... wink
Yeah, I know. But it didn't need to be them. Banky and Holden's comic could've been based on them, without them showing up. It could have been about anything really. And anyone could've delivered that speech as well. They were in there as an indulgence.

Don't get me wrong, I like Kevin Smith. It's his movie, he can indulge all he likes. I think he has a great ear for dialogue, and he comes across as a really cool guy. Jay and Silent Bob cracked me up in Clerks and Mallrats, but seeing them in Chasing Amy - a film which otherwise showcased a brilliant maturity and emotion unseen in his other work - was like seeing Martin and Lewis turn up to fool around with Sinatra in "The Manchurian Candidate". It just threw the mood of the movie out of whack. For me, anyway.
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post #32 of 44
6/23/02 at 3:31pm
I think it fit perfectly. They were the comic book characters, they fit the whole "Jersey Trilogy" aspect, and they were there for 10 minutes, unlike their larger roles in the other flicks.

But hey, I love Chasing Amy to death, so I always defend it zealously...
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post #33 of 44
6/23/02 at 3:36pm
I love it too. It's easily my favourite Kevin Smith movie, and it manages to juggle the potty humour with a genuine emotional core. I still think it could've worked just as well without J&SB but I probably overstated my problem with them.

Put it this way, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do now that he's moved on from the "snoochie boochies" phase. If Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was what it took to get it out of his system, that's cool.

Besides, I can never discuss Kevin Smith films on the Internet without feeling a little bit like Magnolia Fan...
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post #34 of 44
6/23/02 at 3:44pm
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Tony Ryan:
Look at the date of the first post, that could answer your question.
Actually, it's dated April 2002. And yes, it belongs in the "Video" forum.

And yes, the movie sucked!

Where are you Blofeld?
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post #35 of 44
6/23/02 at 4:17pm
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Dan Whitehead vs Candid Gamera:
I love it too. It's easily my favourite Kevin Smith movie, and it manages to juggle the potty humour with a genuine emotional core. I still think it could've worked just as well without J&SB but I probably overstated my problem with them.

Put it this way, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do now that he's moved on from the "snoochie boochies" phase. If Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was what it took to get it out of his system, that's cool.

Besides, I can never discuss Kevin Smith films on the Internet without feeling a little bit like Magnolia Fan...
Yeah, I hear ya. I think Jay and Bob fit fine, but they could have been excised. Either way, I dig the flick, and am looking forward to Jersey Girl...
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post #36 of 44
6/23/02 at 6:46pm
Why the hell should anyone but the moderator(s) care about where this thread belongs?
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post #37 of 44
6/24/02 at 12:33am
Like it or hate it, you have to admit that its almost impossible to believe that this is the same guy who made "Chasing Amy".
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post #38 of 44
6/24/02 at 10:42am
This is a great movie and I shall weep openly for the poor pathetic souls who take their miserable existence on this planet so seriously that they cannot just let go and enjoy themselves.

.....and I hope Jay and Silent Bob are able to track you guys down and kick your asses!
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post #39 of 44
6/28/02 at 5:23am
To all the JSBSB haters:

All you motherfuckers are gonna pay, you are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little whiny bitches, once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax fucks who's makin the movie we're gonna make them eat our shit then shit out our shit and then eat their shit which is made up of our shit that we made them eat, and then all you motherfucks are next

Love,
Jay and Silent Bob
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post #40 of 44
6/28/02 at 12:22pm
ALL YOU BALL LICKERS!

this movie was good fun - for those who are fans of the characters.

it was exactly what it was supposed to be

pure asinine escapism!
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post #41 of 44
7/2/02 at 5:45pm
This by far is my favorite Kevin Smith movie. I've never really understood the fascination with his flicks. I like them, but in no way consider any of them masterpieces. I feel like they all take themselves too seriously, where in reality, they are just a bunch of dick and fart jokes. The fact that J&SBSB makes fun of all those movies is pure genius to me -- this whole movie is shameless about being one big dick and fart joke!

I've seen this film twice in the theater and numerous times on DVD and it never ceases to make me laugh.

And "ball lickers" can never be said enough. I try and say it at least once a day. That and "he loooves the cock."
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post #42 of 44
7/8/02 at 1:51am
yeah lol,

"And for the record, I'm straight, for another record, he loves the cock."
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post #43 of 44
7/8/02 at 6:36pm
"Arch" is incredibly difficult to pull off without making the audience howl in fury as they realize that they (the audience) are the biggest joke... 'cause, funny or not, they went to see this movie in which the movie makes fun of them for going to see this movie.
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post #44 of 44
7/13/02 at 11:41pm
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Stew:
Like it or hate it, you have to admit that its almost impossible to believe that this is the same guy who made "Chasing Amy".
I agree. Chasing Amy is great. I recently purchased it. I had no intentions of seeing J&SBSB after what I had learned, but was suckered into it because it was a freebie rental. It had some funny lines, but as a whole..it sucked.
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