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post #51 of 417
No matter how good the Goblin may be, he can't beat the Zod.

Seriously, the movie displays almost all the classic fly-by poses Spidey is famous for...only it's kinetic. One classic pose morphing into another. Even the fighting style is your basic comicbook Spidey-Fu.

Acting wise - right now, I can't think of anyone better than Mr. Maguire for Peter Parker.

This summer seems set to be the best yet. Good Omens apply.
post #52 of 417
Hope not, that movie never got made.

"and is about 5 times cooler than Nick's goggles"

Are they as cool as these?
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You can go to Planet Ten with those.
Real soon.
post #53 of 417
Well, it's started.... <img src="http://images.membersinfocentral.com/hotceleb/img01.gif" alt="" />
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Let the paparazzi begin....
post #54 of 417
Thats funny.
post #55 of 417
Anyone get the Spider-Man pop tarts with Spider-Berry filling?

These things are great, and I almost hate to eat them because they look so damn cool.
post #56 of 417
OH

HOLY

SHIT.

They got this film SO RIGHT.

It's not a perfect film. It's so very close to being a perfect comic book film, but it's not that either.

But damn if I don't love this film with all my heart.

Raimi - to be commended. Spectacular directing job. he puts the comic on the screen.

Maguire - I had no faith in the kid. Silly me. He was splendid. He nails every important Peter Parker moment without trying. Each and every one. Spidey?.....more on that in a bit.

Dunst - small role, but she makes it magical. This was truly the chick for this part, even with the hair dye. Raimi has a magical casting eye.

Dafoe - The MVP of the film. He takes a great character and makes him better. He nails the duality bit better than Maguire does, and that is saying something.

Franco - Gives Harry Osborn the spoiled, confused rich kid sheen he needs. Good work.

J.K. Simmons - Fucking PERFECT. He WAS J.Jonah Jameson come to life. He's co-MVP along with Dafoe.

Rosemary Harris and Cliff Robertson - Very good as Uncle Ben and Aunt May.

So then......why isn't it perfect? Why the little bit of caveat?

I regret to say I was right about the music being blown.

Elfman is a black eye to this film. And it's not because his score was bad. It was just so mediocre among perfection. It's like looking at a mouth full of white teeth and seeing one slightly cream-colored one. You REALLY miss not having a memorable theme or a really stirring cue during certain moments of this film. REALLY.

I couldn't help but think how SO much better this film would be if it was put in the hands of John Williams or Jerry Goldsmith or a number of guys who could've knocked it out the park. Elfman chose to string together some past cues and inappropriate themes into a hackwork supreme.

Congratulations on fucking with joy itself, Elfass.

Turns out Aerosmith (who are not heard in the film itself) were the least of my worries.

And Spidey himself. Everything is so right about him.....except for his dialogue. Peter Parker is pitch perfect, but Spidey devoid of the one-liners and wit?.....it's just not right. It's Wolverine without the "Bub." He gets to peel off a select few one liners, but they're weak, and I really wish that with all the other greatly scripted parts that Koepp would've been able to get this last element right.

But they're small things magnified a little by how great everything else is.

Also, you may be wondering about the Goblin. The costume. Come on,....it STILL looks like a Power Ranger costume, right?

Yeah, but you cease to care when Dafoe breathes life to the character. He's bigger and better than the suit itself. And whoever assembled the 1 minute clip of him threatening the kids and saying "Can Spider-Man come out to play?" should be RAPED AND MURDERED, but not necessarily in that order.

It turns out that scene was cobbled together from 3 different scenes combining the worst parts in the worst possible way. I can only fathom that the person who put that together was high, blind, deaf and angry at the world when they allowed that clip to leave an editing bay.

But overall....a great flick. And as this weekend progresses, MANY others will be repeating just what I said on this thread.

The crowd loved it, and many others will too. Will it touch Star Wars BO? No....but who cares? It's a very good film in its own right.

The best superhero flick of all time. Yes....

ALONG WITH SUPERMAN. They have to go hand-in-hand. Along with the superior score, certain aspects of Supes were handled better.

But what a combo they are.

Even with that, there will be naysayers. Some will say it's TOO comic-book-like. Some will never get past the Goblin. Some will point to the effects, particularly one rough-looking bit in the beginning, and sneer with derision. And they'll focus on that finger and miss all the heavenly glory as it points to the moon.

Their loss.

Anyway....this is shaping up to be an INCREDIBLE summer for film geeks.

You WILL see this film. You WILL like it a hell of a lot if not love it to death. It WILL spawn a sequel and a shitload of money.

And I couldn't be happier about that.
post #57 of 417
Quote:
mikah912:

Turns out Aerosmith (who are not heard in the film itself) were the least of my worries.
Told you.

So Elfman's score was COMPLETELY unmemorable? I can't imagine it being that bad. On a scale of 1-10 (10 being the closest), how close is it to his Batman theme? Can it even touch that greatness?
post #58 of 417
Dude, there is no theme for Spiderman.
post #59 of 417
Wonderful!

My biggest gripe (and it's a small one) is with the Green Goblin. It was a damn Power Rangers costume, and I did feel like I was watching Power Rangers. Well, almost. Thing is, it sort of works for the film- made it feel almost like being sucked into the comic, really.

I loved Spiderman and I will be seeing it a few times (at least!) this summer.
post #60 of 417
Quote:
Tony Ryan:
Dude, there is no theme for Spiderman.
Why not?
post #61 of 417
How the hell do I know?

'Cause Elfman did it that way?
post #62 of 417
I just figured it would have a distinguishable theme that you could hum, like Superman or Batman.

Oh well...
post #63 of 417
You couldn't get Danny Elfman himself to hum a lick of music from the film if you went back in time to eight seconds after it was recorded and put a cocked and loaded .38 Special against his crotch.

I honestly minded Michael Kamen's X-Men hackery a lot less than this. It's quite sad when the score to the VIDEOGAME of Spider-Man is 6-10 times better than the score of the actual film.
post #64 of 417
I almost forgot.....the new trailer to XXX is attached to Spidey apparently.

It looks like a MEGA-cheesefest. Kind of like The Long Kiss Goodnight. Hopefully it has the redeeming one-liners and fuck-all attitude of that film as well.
post #65 of 417
Man, this movie is pulling down some positive word o' mouth.
post #66 of 417
Add me to the list of fans. Spider-man rocks. I really enjoyed every frame.
post #67 of 417
This one rocked, I got into a midnight screening.
IT ROCKED IT ROCKED IT ROCKED

score wasn't nearly as bad as Xmens.

...IT ROCKED!
post #68 of 417
Just saw it and it freakin rocked!!!!

Will be seeing it again this evening!!

IMO, it was the best adaptation since the first Superman maybe better.

Time was actually taken to develop characters that you care about. I thought Tobey Maguire’s performance was excellent.

Yes, Jennifer you sound like a friend of mine who said the same thing. It did look like Power Ranger villain.

If the score is the only thing that can be bitched about then that in my book is a good thing.

But then again I am biased when it comes to old Webhead. Plus I have been waiting for this movie since 1974, when I first saw Spidey!
post #69 of 417
really, really liked it. will need to see it again to determine if i love it, or like it a little less.

there were things i thought should've been included or handled differently, but considering how much the film got right, they seem pretty minor.

(like i get that the GG helmet was perhaps shaped the way it was because Osborn was into cultural artifact masks, but i thought they should've made some note of the correlation. but then, part of me is happy they didn't beat us over the head with it.)

i admit the score wasn't great but it didn't detract from the experience for me as it apparently did for others, i just sort of blocked it out.

"Christmas meat". awesome.

it's the kind of movie i want to own as soon as possible, which from me is about the highest compliment i can give...
post #70 of 417
Incredible. I actually got a little teary-eyed during the scene where Peter climbs a wall for the first time. The look on his face was just so perfect for that scene. I'm definitely gonna see this movie again.

And what about that Hulk teaser? The crowd actually cheered when the preview was over and the logo flashed across the screen. Which is more than I can say for the chilly reception that XXX received. Man, this looks like it has the potential to be one Godawful movie. Is Vin supposed to sound that smug and annoying?
post #71 of 417
It sounds like the witty thread title "Spider-pants" will be going to waste.
post #72 of 417
Kick ass, and I have never read a comic in my life. (well maybe glanced through one or two)

I loved it, I sorta thought that maybe their might be one or two scenes with Spidy swinging through the city with Sum-41 or some other disposible band blasting. Good move not including any bullshit like that.

The action was good, the story kicked ass. I just want a long franchese and not two or even three good movies. I want a whole line of solid movies. Each needs to keep Ramni or introducing well established directors not just some up and comer and hoping he will do good with it.

If the studies want to keep raking in the big bucks than don't fuck with it by degrading the quality.

I look much forward to the sequel.
post #73 of 417
And Ebert you tool.

2 and a half stars? You have got to be fucking kidding me.
post #74 of 417
Even though cramming the Spidey origin *and* the beginnings of the Green Goblin saga into one two-hour film restrains the film from catching its breath -- thereby becoming more affecting -- it still works pretty damn well.

And the reason it succeeds, above all else, is the cast; Maguire, Dunst, Dafoe, Simmons, Harris, Franco and Robertson..... fucking aces. Maguire especially, though this comes as no surprise to someone who's been a raving supporter of this kid since RIDE WITH THE DEVIL. He does wonders with the voice-over, too, making the final moment in the film the most stirring piece of film I've seen all year. At that moment, I wanted the next installment to kick in immediately.

Are the f/x bad? Not uniformly, but they ain't winning any awards for this stuff either.

What about the score? Exactly. What score?

Is it cheesy? This will be the Mason-Dixon line for either liking or loving this film. Raimi, in being true to Spidey's origins, is also faithful to the high camp value of the ol' 1960's Swingin' Stan Lee, which means the film is gloriously charming in an anachronistic fashion that's going to leave some members of the audience, most likely the Gen Y filmgoers looking for something edgier, hissing in disbelief (which happened at my screening today). Fine by me. Raimi's prankster spirit is right at home in Spidey's universe, and if it turns you off, there's always plenty of darker stuff to keep you occupied.

So, thank heavens, a franchise is born.
post #75 of 417
six...more...hours...
post #76 of 417
Leaving to see it in 30 minutes.
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post #77 of 417
9:00 this evening, with the East Side Geeks (since most of my geek friends live out on the east part of town).

I think the weekend estimates posted elsewhere may be on the shy side. The Loew's Cineplex at Universal is sold out until 10:30 tonight, and the line for tickets is gigantic right now. We're looking at some major bank this weekend.
post #78 of 417
HOLY. MOTHER. OF. FUCK.

I am speechless.

My dad and I went to see it, and he stayed awake for the WHOLE THING. He usually nods off in just about any movie, but not this time.

To me, the score DIDN'T suck, I thought it was great! Not one of his best, but more than adequate. Close to Batman? Hell no, but you can't "hate" this score.

OH MY GOD THIS FILM RULED!!!! I'm not even big on comic books and I creamed my pants!!!

PERFECTION!!!!
post #79 of 417
This is right up there as an event movie as Superman was.
post #80 of 417
Quote:
Brian Ross:
And Ebert you tool.

2 and a half stars? You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Bullshit.
post #81 of 417
Thread Starter 
I really really really enjoyed it. The first "entertaining" film I've seen all year.

While some of the f/x was a bit shoddy (the skeletons, anyone? and no, I'm not spoling anything, it was in the trailer) I went with it and all I have to say is that I want to be Peter Parker. Lord knows the whole best-friend girlfriend thing has happened a few times in my life, so I connected with it.

Oh, and The Hulk is going to be HUGE (no pun intended). Here is NYC, the teaser came up and everyone was yelling and cheering and then came the "summer 2003" line and everyone booed and were extremely disappointed. MiB 2 is going to be big as well.

Anyways, a good movie that I'll see again. That's my take on this one.
post #82 of 417
Here's a link to Ebert's review:
<a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-spider03f.html" target="_blank">http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-spider03f.html</a>

Two paragraphs puzzle me:
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Remember the first time you saw the characters defy gravity in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"? They transcended gravity, but they didn't dismiss it: They seemed to possess weight, dimension and presence. Spider-Man as he leaps across the rooftops is landing too lightly, rebounding too much like a bouncing ball. He looks like a video game figure, not like a person having an amazing experience.
Now, far be it from me to doubt Ebert's expertise when it comes to bouncing like a ball, but how the hell does he know exactly how a spider-powered human should move? From everything I've seen, Spidey's movements mimic those of the comic to perfection. Raimi wasn't trying to make a wu-xia movie, Roger.

Then this one (spoiler protected, just in case):
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The origin story is well told, and the characters will not disappoint anyone who values the original comic books. It's in the action scenes that things fall apart. Consider the scene where _____________________________________. He tries to save both, so that everyone dangles from webbing that seems about to pull loose. The visuals here could have given an impression of the enormous weights and tensions involved, but instead the scene seems more like a bloodless storyboard of the idea. In other CGI scenes, Spidey swoops from great heights to street level and soars back up among the skyscrapers again with such dizzying speed that it seems less like a stunt than like a fast-forward version of a stunt.
Again, Ebert's the expert on "enormous weights and tensions," but it seems his basic problem with the film is that Spider-Man doesn't move like a normal human being. Well what a shock....

Funny, because you'd think he'd be the first to grasp what this film is all about, considering his track record of supporting films of this type.
post #83 of 417
Did the words "suspend disbelief" ever enter into his vocabulary?

Apparently not.
post #84 of 417
Clarence uses terms like "Mason-Dixon Line" and "anachronistic", and it just blows me away. I love reading this guy.

As for the film, I am a painful 2.5 hours from my turn. I am not the biggest web-head by any means, but I was nerd enough to wear the freaking Spidey shirt to work today.

Anywho...
post #85 of 417
Take a step back and realize that Ebert is right in that second excerpt. He is not coming from physics but from film - show the strain on Spidey more to show how hard the feat is for him.

I actually agree that the action scenes are the weakest part of the movie - Raimi handles the characters deftly, but some of the action scenes don't move as well as they should.

I still think it's an amazing movie, but I do wish that Raimi had unleashed himself a little more in the fights.
post #86 of 417
It's pretty evident that this guy has NO joy in his life...

Found it on Rotten Tomatoes..

Review by Mervius

I'm a big fan of Marvel Comics' "Spiderman" comic book, from way back in the distant 80s. I never subscribed to a single one of the various titles (e.g. "Amazing Spiderman" and "Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spiderman"), but if ol' Web-head showed up in one of the titles that I did read regularly, I knew I was gonna have a good read. This pleasure was two-fold. For one thing, in addition to saving all of humanity on a nearly-daily basis, he was a superhero that had real-life personal problems to deal with. Furthermore, he was funny. He was constantly making wise-cracks in the midst of intergalactic, supernatural, or pseudo-scientific battle.

When 2000's X-Men turned out as well as it did, I was heartened. I was shown that comic books can be translated (once again) to the big screen with remarkable integrity and respect. So I had some degree of hope for Spider-Man. Alas, it has served to make the disappointment all the more profound.

Spider-Man is often melodramatic to the point of discomfort. It's always awkward. And (perhaps the biggest crime) it's never awe-inspiring. At best, the film can be dismissed as serviceable popcorn-muncher fare. But I can't shut my brain off enough for what director Sam Raimi has done.

The movie just doesn't take itself seriously, ever. Willem Dafoe is ridiculously over the top as the Green Goblin. Kirsten Dunst doesn't seem to know what to do when the camera is on her. And the special effects/action sequences are cartoony, repetitive, and devoid of any sense of wonder. The filmmakers have chosen to give us absolutely no clue as to what it might feel like to be swinging through city streets at about a hundred miles an hour. I suspect it would be an intense rush, but over and over we're given CGI effects that are way too fluid to be organic, and the reality is blown (Jurassic Park, now nearly 9 years old, is immensely more convincing to the eye than what we've been getting lately from Hollywood). And there seems to be no interest here in providing the audience with the experience of intensity itself. We're given nothing to marvel at. Debate that point all you want, I sat there without a burst of adrenaline for the entire running time.

The script and editing are awkward. The dialogue is dumb. Spidey's trademark wisecracks repeatedly go thud. And it seems at times as though entire scenes have been omitted. Hey, how'd we get to them living together all of a sudden? When did she get a new job? Why is everybody suddenly getting along like chummy neighbors, when they haven't previously been shown to be so much as acquainted? The overall pace is frustratingly jerky. If timing is everything, then Spider-Man provides us with nothing.

I didn't mind the casting of Tobey Maguire (as Peter), Cliff Robertson (as Uncle Ben), and (as J. Jonah Jameson) J.K. Simmons. But Kirsten Dunst seems out of place. And Rosemary Harris as Aunt May just didn't work for me. Perhaps it's that British accent creeping through.

Neither the performances nor the screenplay work to making me care one iota what happens to anyone from one moment to the next. To make things worse, about two-thirds of the way through, the whole thing loses narrative momentum altogether. What exactly is the Green Goblin's motivation at THIS point? Does Mary Jane knows Spidey's secret identity NOW?

What's with all the inside jokes? A couple references to Superman seem pointless, even cheap. And the presence of all of the director's buddies (including Ted Raimi, Bruce Campbell, and even Lucy Lawless) makes this stuff a little too self-referential, as though he wants this to be a cult hit if nothing else. For instance, a section of "in-the-know" folks in my sneak preview audience applauded when Bruce Campbell appeared on screen. Others may drop their popcorn in order to scratch their heads at such behavior.

I can't for the life of me recommend this movie. Uneven and oddly paced, Spider-Man is overly reliant on CGI effects. And the characterizations just aren't there.
post #87 of 417
2 hours and 10 minutes.
post #88 of 417
I have seen it!
and it is awsome!

BTW, to avoid even minor spoilers, I will wait till later then point out what a moron the guy at rotten tomatoes must be. He obviously wasnt paying any attention.
post #89 of 417
Oh, I forgot about my only complaint regarding the film:

Macy FUCKING Gray.
post #90 of 417
the new yorkers defending spider man in the bridge scene was RAD. I didn't see that comming.

Green Goblin yelling "we'll meet again spiderman."

It was all too cool
post #91 of 417
Quote:
apathybill:
the new yorkers defending spider man in the bridge scene was RAD. I didn't see that comming.
Was I the only one who saw parallels to September 11th?

Like, "You hurt one of us, you hurt all of us!".

Sort of echoed the sentiments of 9/11, I thought. And remember when they were giving testimonials about Spider-Man, and you saw two construction workers?

That area they were in looked so much like the WTC site.
post #92 of 417
I have never read a Spider-Man comic book in my life, and the movie trailers have looked cool, but I have been looking forward to EPII more than this.

That being said:

THIS MOVIE FUCKING ROCKS MY ASS!!!!!

I sat there in awe as Spidey flew thru the streets. I loved every second of the movie, except for MACY FUCKING GRAY!!!! What the hell is that woman doing anywhere near this movie??? Anyway, she was only about 20 seconds of a near perfect 2 hour superhero flick.

While I thought that she was good, I thought that Kirsten Dunst looked kinda weird...too pale, like a corpse or something. Maybe thats just me....

Rush out as soon as possible and see it!!!
post #93 of 417
Quote:
don wiskerando:
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Is that... Is that hair gel???
post #94 of 417
Cool, someone on AICN talkbacks said they play the VERY original Spider-Man theme song from the original cartoon during the end credits. I didn't stay that long to hear it..but can anyone verify this??
post #95 of 417
POSSIBLE SPOILER
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They do, Verbal, and it brought a big ol' stupid grin to my face.

Glad you like my descriptives, Logan. I enjoy your posts, too.

Why, I love everyone today! SPIDER-MAN has been made into a movie that works, and all is well in the world.

(Edited because I don't think everyone wants to know what surprise awaits them in the credits.
post #96 of 417
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Can anyone remember word for word what his last lines of the film were? I know it was something like "Who knows what life has in store for me...but I must always remember those words, With great power comes great responsibility...this is my gift...my curse". I wanna make it my sig...
post #97 of 417
Could somebody please tell Rex Reed to shut the fuck up? His Spider-Man review was the dumbest, most ill-informed piece of shit I've ever read.
post #98 of 417
From Rex Reed's interview:

Mr. Simmons plays the ruthless, cliché-spouting, penny-pinching editor of the Daily Bugle, the sensation-seeking metropolitan rag where Peter works as a photographer.

The character has been around so long, he IS THE FUCKING CLICHE' YOU MORON!!!
post #99 of 417
Why are people so pissed off about Macy Gray?
As a generic band I thought it was good and will hold up in a few years.

If they put someone like Linkin Park than that would be something to gripe about and make the film show its age.
post #100 of 417
You don't understand- Macy Gray has absolutely no place in the Spider-Man universe. Any musician, for that matter.

It's like she wandered onto the set, grabbed the mic, and started singing. She always looks like she's high...I just thought she was horribly out of place.
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