Read the whole thread. Also, discuss the topic. - Page 2

Verbal wasn't shamelessly promoting Devin's page. He was asking a question about where Devin's site went. Devin is a member of CHUD.

I think this forum is perfect for that sort of question.

1. Thank you for noting this is not about me and Devin.

2. I remember there being a conversation about SC deeming when things were finished when Micah was still part of the group. I belive it concluded with Micah saying that if the discussion has been covered, the thread could be closed. The thread was about the site being down. The owner of the site said it was back up. What more was there to be discussed.

3. The whole discussion is irrelevant to the fact that the thread never should have been started. It was not moved because there is already a thread dedicated to Dev's site.

Thank you flyarz, for bringing up valid criticisms and doing so in a civil matter.

New rule: whining about Star Chamber is boring and makes you a pussy.

If your argument is about closing threads that are "done," then maybe I am wrong. This is probably about a grudge that you have with Devin.

Because looking at the first page of the Chewers forum, I see a bunch of threads that have no more room for discussion:

<a href="http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001270" target="_blank">http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001270</a>
<a href="http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001289" target="_blank">http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001289</a>
<a href="http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001283" target="_blank">http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001283</a>
<a href="http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001279" target="_blank">http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001279</a>
<a href="http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001169" target="_blank">http://chud.com/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=001169</a>

All of these threads seem to be "done." Yet Diva only closed Devin's. Odd.

No one's whining about Star Chamber, we're whining about a bad decision, and furthermore, a decision that may have been brought about for reasons other than CHUD's best interests.

My main reason for closing it was not that it was "done" but that it was inappropriate for this forum. I've already admitted that I should have been more specific in saying that was the reason it was closed.

*Edited to add that those other threads again are about Chewers. Yes Devin is a member of the boards, but his site is not.

It is fun watching Diva's logic sway.

What are the reasons for a thread to be closed?

Just asking out of curiosity.

In what way? My first post in here says "Well to be honest, that thread should have been closed because it has noting to do with CHUD. What happens to devin's site is irrelevant to these boards. Feel free to talk about it in Shameless though."

Did I miss something?

Micah evolved to the next level. He's the starchild now.

edit due to pisspoor typing skills.

Micah has been promoted to Administrator status and has all the priviledges Nick does.

On the Micah thing, a-ha!

On the Devin thing, as much as it pains me to say this I think Dev adn flyarz are right. Pardon me while I go wash my mouth out with clorox.

Because cars are awesome and your website sucks?

Nelson = person

The thread was about Nelson. He doesn't have a car hence the thread to solicite advice about which one to buy.

Site = not a person

The thread wasn't about you, a Chewer. It was about a site, which is perfectly acceptable to talk about but not in the CHEWERS Forum.

Even though the Shameless Forum specifically states that it is a place to promote sites, which everyone was so quick to point out, it is also the appropriate place to discuss those sites.

Also, if Dev's site's is down, there could be something wrong with Dev, which was something of an underlying possibilty.

Also if it belonged in Shameless links, why not move it instead of closing it?

Where was Verbal's thread promoting Devin's site?

You should just move the thread to shameless and open it back up. God only knows what kind of earth shattering debate we are missing about the status of Devin's website.

Its seems pretty fucking obvious to me, though, that Chewers isn't the forum for discussing our websites.

I regret setting the precedent for this because I see now that there are too many feuds and too much bad blood here for any such arbitrary decision to be accepted as anything other than selfish powermongering, regardless of whether it is or not.

Regarding this situation: It's a grey area straddling both other site promotion and simply inquiring about a situation with another Chewer, and thus I think there are grounds for both Devin's point of view and Diva's. So it's a judgement call either way and it always will be when it comes to explicit threads/mentions of websites run by Chewers aside from a link in their signature.

That's why the car analogy doesn't apply. Because Nick has never been particularly iffy about people promoting cars or other products people may possess. He is wary about other website mentions, however.

Still, I think Verbal's intent was merely a personal question to Devin that kind of got blown out of proportion both by people making it a thread that updates you as to whether that site is up or down and by Star Chamber for merely closing it.

So let me ask this now....other than because you believe it was wrongly closed in the first place, is there any other reason why anyone wants that thread open now?

This goes out to Dev, Verbs, Flyers, Dellamorte, whoever.

This is such bullshit. Does Devin's site act as anything else but an extension of Devin? NO. So if you say that by someone starting a thread asking about Devin's site they are shamelessly promoting it, is that not just a touch fucked?

People come onto Devin's all the time asking if CHUD is down. They do that because when CHUD is down, people go where the other people are hanging out. Vis a vis, this is the first time Devin's site has been down, so people started a thread to see what the WTF.

I could see it if Devin's site was some ultra-movie-love site like CHUD that people might think shutting down that thread was a good idea, but methinks the real reason it was shut down as quickly as it was was because of personal differences. There is no other way to explain people being able to start threads in the Main Sewer about AICN being down or some shit happening at some other site and not getting their threads shut down.

Nick, Star Chamber shouldn't be a place for people to be able to execute personal grudges. At least Micah can rise above the personal shit and do his job.

We have never shared the same logic, so we can agree to disagree. Here's my last attempt to explain and then I must go back to work.

Nelson was soliciting advice from other Chewers. The thread was about him trying to make a decision and asking for help from other Chewers in making it. The car is irrelevant. It could have been about pink bunnies.

Verbal's thread was asking why a site was down. The site and its owner are irrelevant, much as the car in Nelson's thread is irrelevant.

Have fun tearing my logic apart.

A legitimate question, but can we put this first dispute to bed first? I asked you and others a question at the bottom of the first page of this thread to attempt to do just that.

Enough bullshit. If one of the SP chewers started a thread asking if Scorched Planet was down and it got closed, nobody would give a shit.

I just want to add that whether or not any of you believe it, the closing of the thread had nothing to do with my personal feelings toward Devin. It's a shame that many of you seem intent on bringing that up every time you have a gripe with something I do.

Legitimate criticisms I welcome. And I will try to explain why I did what I did as clearly as possible. That can't happen if the gripe is constantly "Diva hates Devin."

I don't think anyone should close a thread because they think it's finished. Let it die. Or in this case, move it (or mention the existing thread). You can't determine when a thread is finished most of the time, and even if you can, do you really want to? I doubt SC or you (Micah) really want to go around closing all the threads that are dead but still open.

edit: I brought up that the other thread was closed early. I have no problem with either Diva or Devin. And when I brought it up, no one knew who closed it. I would have had the same complaint, no matter who did the actual closing.

You're joking, right? If Dev's website is down, do you and Flyerz and Tony go rushing to his apartment, banging on his door or something?

But SP isn't a part of our community, and aren't you just trolling, Pariah.

Mikah, the answer is no, not now - because Verbal came to this thread to add what he would have to the other. The point being discussion of that topic wasn't over, so Verbs came to this thread.

But the bottom line is Diva closed a thread about Devin's site. Perhaps as a SC member she should not be allowed to actively close Devin's thread, or should put it to other members (though a couple of them are pretty actively anti-Devin too, so I don't know). Diva's motives may have been good or may have been deeply, deeply spiteful, but there seems to be too much bagage.

What?

I got three emails and a phone call from four different people. People were concerned.

How is Devin's site part of our community? The majority of posters don't go there. I don't. Is there some system for deciding which Chewers' websites are legitimate areas of discussion and which ones aren't?

Does he have severs running out from his living room?

Now there's a mental picture!

Fine, so then there is no need to do anything further with the thread in question.

Now onto what was done with it: We can sit here an argue about motives all day, but Diva gave reason in the letter of Nick's own words that more than supports what she did even if some believe it was applied for personal reasons. That can't ever be answered definitively and my own guess on the situation is that those who disliked Diva are bringing their own prejudices to this argument just as she is supposedly bringing them to SC.

But that's just MY opinion, and it shouldn't be the prevailing one here any more than others' should.

Concerned? About a website going down? We all use the same internet right? You know, the one where sites go down more often than Madonna?

How was I being dishonest? Verbal asked a question. It was answered. Case closed. It was a valid reason to close the thread. I thought it too much to write "Problem solved. Even so, this thread was innappropriate in the first place." I felt that the last part would be over the top and it would look like I was picking on Devin.

I closed the thread based on what I thought was valid grounds. Micah has just admitted on the previous page that it was bad precedent he set. It's still an iffy situation and one which I don't think will be settled today.

Pariah81- You're retarded and trolling. IF I need to explain to you how Devin is more a member of this community than the SP guys then I'm amazed someone can type with their head up their ass.

Nelson - If a site goes down then something's wrong. Maybe an unpaid bill, maybe it got hacked, I didn't know. But as it is connected to Devin, perhaps it's shut down had something to do with Devin.

We can avoid situations like this in the future, by never closing a thread because we think it's done. Let them die, move them, or close them for a different reason. Otherwise, this will come up again.

Oh so because YOU don't go there it means everyone does the same? Devin's site has 200 members. Over half of those are Chewers, and a good deal of them more important contributors to Chud than you will ever be. So if you don't see how that makes Devin and his site part of Chud's community, than you need a reality check stat.

And quit sucking up to the powers that be.

Micah, undoubtedly there is the Dev side and Diva side, but... it's a question of consistancy, comlicated by who did what to whom. Sufficed to say if it was left alone this conversation wouldn't have happened, and that thread would have gotten another post or two.

Perhaps it would be best if only you closed Devin's threads. That would keep situations like this from happening.

After two rather tedious situations, I don't think there's any danger of this happening.

Do you know how many sites go down while their owners are off shopping or on a night out? I just don't see how a hacked or downed site is harmful to anyone... unless the hackers enters one's home and hits you over the head and take your computer(s). Remind me to give Hugh a holler when playboy.com goes down.

wink

Ban Andre, he called me a retard.

Understand that most people here don't give a shit about Devin's site. You might view your little clique as superior to the SP guys, but thats entirely subjective. Thanks for insulting me instead of actually thinking out a response.

You know, the thought of putting this in shameless DID cross my mind. But I put it in Chewers because few people check Shameless before they check Chewers and I figured hey, I want an answer, let's put it where it'll get noticed.

Actually, I DID consider that something may have happened to Devin or his computer or whatever...how would I know otherwise? Maybe I should have e-mailed a few people to ask what they know...but making a thread here, in a good forum for it that is at the top of the boards and isn't hurting anybody (no flaming, no baiting, no trolling...a legit question) seemed like a right idea.

And the website still isn't back up for me, at least, so me being the author of the thread, I could have decided "This thread needs to be closed" when I did have use of said website back. Alas, I do not, so my use for that thread could still possibly be valid.

It's like me making a thread for a CD or a game or a movie BEFORE it comes out, then it comes out (or in the movie's case, gets released) in YOUR city, Diva, or a few other chewers' city, but doesn't yet get released in mine, and you coming in and closing it as STAR CHAMBER because it was out for you....in other words, "This thread has served its purpose" or some such jargon.

Did that make any sense? Well, I think you get the point.