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Concerns about the boards, and crap like that

post #1 of 137
Thread Starter 
Obviously there's been some tension. Some people left, some people have stopped coming around as much, and some people got booted.

What I've felt, and have been feeling, and I think shown over at <a href="http://www.devincf.com" target="_blank">www.devincf.com</a> is that some of us feel that after Django got booted (the last two times) and with the addition of Star Chamber, that the attitude around the place is "Freedom of Speech, but watch what you say."

Not in that if some ran around saying Nigger Nigger Nigger they'd get censored, cause that seems obvious, but that if we have any criticisms of the site, or the way things are run, or even disagree with Nick too directly that they will be shot down. Which is what turned Django into some people's favorite chewers, and an apparent martyr (for the record my favorite chewer is myself). What Django was known for was sticking to his guns, for right or wrong, and (without knowing the full story) his unregistration reflects that, and crystalizes that fear that we should bite our tounges. What makes Django so dangerous, such a pain in the site's ass, that he can't be a part of this?

And from some of the attitude viewed over at Devin's site, and in some of Nick's post, and the shut down of the boards, is that Nick feels like this board doesn't really help the site, and is a gift from him to us. And the shutdown reflects this attitude. This may be Nick Nunziata's CHUD, but I think by putting so much time into the site a lot of us feel that we are part of CHUD too, not the most vital part, but one of things that makes Chud great.

And there have been suggestions of corporatization, and whatever (I think most of that is poppycock), but the message I feel I get most often from you, Nick (since you aren't around as much) is that we're a pain in your ass. The attitude you presented over at Devin's site seemed to suggest that. And then you slagged on us for not being entertaining enough. And that makes me not want to be here. Maybe that's just me though.

So here's the thread, I feel where beefs can be aired, and thoughts (that some of us made over at Devin's place) can be made public. I would like anyone involved with the site to respond in kind (and especially, of course, Nick).

Here's the thing, though: respect that I respect the site and, like most of the people here, I love it here. This is part of my life, and I'm happy to be a part of it; this site has changed my life. But part of me wants to pull a Kirby and just go away, because I feel that I'm not wanted. Let's see if we can talk it out.
post #2 of 137
I feel like I'm back in grade school...
post #3 of 137
You know, just the act of starting threads like this diminishes us all. Bringing up people who do not want to be brought up, stirring up shite about "free speech" blah blah blah...

Sheeesh
post #4 of 137
Things are turning around. Why all the negativity? Times are brightening up! Pull the sticks out of the asses and hug somebody (preferably not holding the poo-covered sticks).

(You're truly sad when you misspell "things"... shesh...)

post #5 of 137
Thread Starter 
I tried to bring up everything that was talked about over at Devin's site. Trying to steer a discussion of Chud back to Chud. Some people are frustrated. If it don't concern you, why post?

Maybe this is a small thing. But how could it be if Nick wants to shut down the site for an hour or two?
post #6 of 137
Anyone think we can derail this thread with sex?? I think CHUD needs a little more free love...
post #7 of 137
Editied because i am stupid.

post #8 of 137
Just in case anyone else comes in here to try and derail this thread:

From <a href="http://chuddotcom.nexcess.net/board/ubbhtml/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=66;t=000824" target="_blank">HERE</a>.

Quote:
Andre Dellamorte:
There has been a lot of turmoil over the last couple days Could we have a thread instead of PM's or E mails to discuss how we feel? I'd start one, but I don't want to step on any toes. Any gripes I have are not directed at any one person, just feelings. Would it be okay if I started one?
Quote:
Nick Nunziata:
Go ahead.
post #9 of 137
Quote:
JenGe Chick Flick Destroyer:
Anyone think we can derail this thread with sex?? I think CHUD needs a little more free love...
How about you just ignore a thread you don't like? What a bizarrely simple strategy.
post #10 of 137
Quote:
Andre Dellamorte:
I tried to bring up everything that was talked about over at Devin's site. Trying to steer a discussion of Chud back to Chud. Some people are frustrated. If it don't concern you, why post?
I post because I choose to do so.

I also do not whine.
post #11 of 137
Andre is whining?

I see him explaining his problems with what is going on in a civil way.
post #12 of 137
Quote:
Tony Ryan:
Andre is whining?

I see him explaining his problems with what is going on in a civil way.
I wasn't making reference to his first post...which wasn't a whine. His response to me was a whine.
post #13 of 137
All he did was defend the post and himself. Rightfully.
post #14 of 137
But lemmetellya about whining...there's far far too much of it going on.

Period.
post #15 of 137
Quote:
Tony Ryan:
All he did was defend the post and himself. Rightfully.
Which is ok...
post #16 of 137
I have seen very little whining from people that matter to me on the boards

post #17 of 137
And this whole thing comes back to STAR CHAMBER, if I'm not mistaken. Correct?
post #18 of 137
No, no it does not.

Some people have problems with that thing, I do not. Andre doesn't seem to have a huge problem with it. But if they did, this is the place to 'whine' about it.
post #19 of 137
Quote:
Andre Dellamorte
Not in that if some ran around saying Nigger Nigger Nigger they'd get censored, cause that seems obvious, but that if we have any criticisms of the site, or the way things are run, or even disagree with Nick too directly that they will be shot down.
I think it's safe to say, from the way this thread has gone so far, that you're totally wrong. Why not stop thinking about it? Everything is great!
post #20 of 137
With Nick's "permission" to go ahead with this thread, I really dont see anything wrong with it. Andre is just expressing his opinions in a calm fashion. Let him speak.
post #21 of 137
Quote:
Tony Ryan:
No, no it does not.

Some people have problems with that thing, I do not. Andre doesn't seem to have a huge problem with it. But if they did, this is the place to 'whine' about it.
You see, for the greater part I have ignored the SC criticisms. And the one who was the most controversial among them...is no longer.
post #22 of 137
Quote:
Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
How about you just ignore a thread you don't like? What a bizarrely simple strategy.
How about I throw you to the ground and fuck you???

Pot...kettle ...black...
post #23 of 137
I go to threads that annoy me. I don't berate people for starting them.

And the first sentence of your post is really creepy.
post #24 of 137
I'm gonna back Devin up on that. Creepy...
post #25 of 137
Quote:
Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
I go to threads that annoy me. I don't berate people for starting them.

And the first sentence of your post is really creepy.
It takes one to know one.
post #26 of 137
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JenGe Chick Flick Destroyer:
How about I throw you to the ground and fuck you???
Okay... watch the personal attacks, pal. There is absolutely no need to descend into that.
post #27 of 137
Is "I'm rubber, you're glue" going to be the next retort in this spiralling decay of a debate?
post #28 of 137
And once again, they asked why these things weren't brought up on the CHUD boards. I appreciate the predictability from certain Chewers, really I do. It makes points much easier sometimes.
post #29 of 137
I may be mistaken but I think JenGe is a femme.

Not so creepy in that light.
post #30 of 137
No, still creepy.
post #31 of 137
Quote:
Katanga:
I may be mistaken but I think JenGe is a femme.

Not so creepy in that light.
In the context of a conversation not approaching sex I'd say "creepy" comes close to an accurate epithet.
post #32 of 137
Things are certainly different. Some of it is for the better, some not. When things get as big as they have here I guess they achieve a sort of critical mass. I've been here for almost two years. Devin called me old school once so I guess the newby shine has worn off. Maybe that earns me some respect, maybe not. I really don't care.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that I don't have any problems with the changes that Nick has implemented. I am looking forward to the changes that are coming. I came here first for the movies and read the main page every day, sometimes twice a day. I don't always comment on them but I read them. I stayed here for the discussion on movies in part, but I also love talking politics, music, religion, and RPG's.

What does get on my nerves is all of the whingeing (thanks to my Brit chums for this word.) and no I'm not talking about anyone that has posted in this thread. I'm talking about people that say that things suck and then don't make a move to make it better. It's been said that if you don't like the things that are going and you don't want to change things then either shut up or go away.

Django was not my favorite Chewer, in fact I could make a guess that he was my least favorite and I think he was guilty of this. I never saw him contribute anything meaningful to the boards or the main page or any other affiliate site. I admit he may have and I failed to notice, whatever. As much as Devin and I disagree, and as annoying and baiting as he is at least he contributes.

I hope that I have contributed and that I'm not a whiner. Nothing much I hate worse than a hypocrite. So anyway, this has kind of turned into a rant and there have been enough of those around here lately so I'll end it with this. Chud; love it and try to make it better or leave it and be happy somewhere else.
post #33 of 137
The hypocrisy is blatantly apparent...
post #34 of 137
I think it'd be good for all if you would add something or stop the creepy posts in this thread.

I mean, I'll defend Andre's thread all day, but instead of that how bout people add to it in his intenet.
post #35 of 137
Whose?
post #36 of 137
Quote:
Andre Dellamorte:
I tried to bring up everything that was talked about over at Devin's site. Trying to steer a discussion of Chud back to Chud. Some people are frustrated. If it don't concern you, why post?
It's just that I've never... NEVER seen a thread like this help CHUD. These things usually don't make matter better... but make people bitter. They usually bring the trolls out of hiding along with their followers.

Want to make CHUD a better place? Contribute more to threads that are fun and funny and less to ones like this. Django's gone... it was a personal decision of Nick's. I'm going to miss the guy (not his unexplained and illogical comments on Star Chamber, though) but move on. He's gone. It's not like he's dead... if you like him so much, e-mail him. Develope a relationship with the guy if you want.

But Nick has spoken. This is Nick's house. I'm sorry, but you're all going to have to deal with it. The Chewers are apart of CHUD... but at the end of the day... this is a money and time issue. The boards are non-profit. There is no reason why Nick should, if he was a greedy bastard, keep them around. He keeps them here to make us happy.

But, if we're not happy... there's no need for it. The best thing you guys can do is make CHUD a happy place to visit. That's it.
post #37 of 137
[quote]Blank Kronos, Big Time TV:
Quote:
In the context of a conversation not approaching sex I'd say "creepy" comes close to an accurate epithet.
In my early post here I mentioned derailing the thread with sex...didn't I??
post #38 of 137
Quote:
JenGe Chick Flick Destroyer:
The hypocrisy is blatantly apparent...
In what?
post #39 of 137
I was talking to Jen in that post, Scott. Your post is very good and with the topic. And not creepy...
post #40 of 137
Thread Starter 
Look, here's the thing. If I was just unhappy with CHUD I'd go away. Simple as that. Something happened yesterday that caused Nick to shut down the Boards, specifically because he was unhappy with its posters (us). Now it could be just Django, but I doubt it.

I love this place, and for the most part, the people in it. I talked about what what has been bugging me for a while. I asked permission to do so. So we can either talk about it, or ignore it and hope it never happens again. Personally I don't think the later works. If you find something wrong with what I said, instead of rolling your eyes and being dismissive, at least treat what I said with a modicum of respect and disagree. Or don't post. Why not be civil?
post #41 of 137
Bizzaro Dobbla Posta

post #42 of 137
Quote:
Tony Ryan:
I think it'd be good for all if you would add something or stop the creepy posts in this thread.

I mean, I'll defend Andre's thread all day, but instead of that how bout people add to it in his intenet.
Why don't you call the Star Chamber?? Where's the freedom of speach now??
post #43 of 137
Quote:
Tony Ryan:
I was talking to Jen in that post, Scott. Your post is very good and with the topic. And not creepy...
I know Tony. I was asking her, whose hypocrisy was evident.
post #44 of 137
Sorry, Scott. I suck.

And Jen, what the hell are you talking about?
post #45 of 137
Quote:
Tony Ryan:
Sorry, Scott. I suck.

And Jen, what the hell are you talking about?
As I said...Pot...Kettle...Black... & It takes one to know one.
post #46 of 137
Quote:
JenGe Chick Flick Destroyer:
Why don't you call the Star Chamber?? Where's the freedom of speach now??
Yeah Tony!!! Why don't you shut up and let Jen derail the thread to the point that it gets closed so we can't discuss it!!!
post #47 of 137
Quote:
JenGe Chick Flick Destroyer:
Quote:
Tony Ryan:
I think it'd be good for all if you would add something or stop the creepy posts in this thread.

I mean, I'll defend Andre's thread all day, but instead of that how bout people add to it in his intenet.
Why don't you call the Star Chamber?? Where's the freedom of speach now??
Why do you people do this? Please tell me. I'd like to know what the thought process is that leads people to say such things.
post #48 of 137
I've been here for over 3 years. I don't think I'll be leaving this site and these awesome boards anytime soon. What kept me coming back were the personalities that make up CHUD, all of them. It's a community of clashing voices and cultures and opinions, and the fireworks (oftentimes) were lovely to behold.

I'm not really a fan of the concept of the SC. From the name's origins alone, there's a stigma instantly attached to it. The idea of having it comprised of various Chewers of non-identical tastes/opinions/beliefs for the purpose of being fair-minded was an admirable one, but the very existence of a messageboard watchdog will affect people, prevent them from speaking their mind fully (for better or for worse). I know that's not the intention of the SC at all, as I consider its members some of the best and the brightest chewers around.

It's like Tommy Lee only being able to see his (and Pamela's) son under the watchful eye of a court-appointed guardian. He's not gonna abuse or hurt his own damn kid (at least I hope). And the guardian's only doing his job, making sure everything's kosher. But the very presence of the guardian has Tommy on edge, resentful, maybe a little hostile. Sorta like that. Maybe.
post #49 of 137
Quote:
Blank Kronos, Big Time TV:
Why do you people do this? Please tell me. I'd like to know what the thought process is that leads people to say such things.
Don't you get it, Kronos? It's to prove how necessary Star Chamber is, to show that they're needed to step in when people begin behaving like idiots. At least I assume that's what the heavy handed attempt is, maybe I'm giving too much credit.
post #50 of 137
JenGe. You are the problem with Chud. Not Andre, Not Tony, Not Django, Not Khichter, Not dozens of other chewers. You do nothing but contribute to the derailing of threads where you are not wanted or needed. You want to disagree with Andre do it in an intelligent manner. This is the stupid shit that kills this board. I love this fucking site, I love this fucking message board. It's part of my life, not the main part but a part I visit daily. I respect many of the people here, and sadly many of the people who are no longer here.

If anyone should of been banned it's people who troll the boards and stifle conversation.

Also you can't just say "Things ARE FUN" and believe that it’s just going to happen. It's like when I used to clean my room as a kid by throwing all my shit in the closet. Well soon that closet was full of shit and I was forced to clean it out, which ended up being a much bigger bitch than if I would of just cleaned up the damn room in the first place.

I'm all for making this a better place, and listening and participating in threads like this can do nothing but help the boards. Maybe its something else, but I think Nick has really alienated a good portion of his loyal Chewers.

It's really sad to see people reacting to this situation like fan boys in a star wars thread. Which is precisely how this all smells.

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