Serious discussion: New members who don't post about movies and only attack people

troll and/or read the main boards, didn't add anything but later found the sex thread and posted about getting an STD.

Part of the reason I signed up was to debate someone I thought was dead wrong in politics and religion...

I don't know if some 8,000 posts later I remain a troll though but I suppose anything is possible...

I don't think this would be such a problem, if that is even the correct term, if this summer's movies hadn't been so craptacular. Honestly, the only movies that really inspired me to talk about them this year were Matrix Reloaded, LotR, and a handful of others. If I remember correctly, I registered here back during the Equilibrium craze, and have since wandered south, as almost all of the movies I've seen lately have inspired no more reaction than "well, at least the popcorn was good."

That I can certainly believe...

I will say that I've rather inadvertantly doubled my post total.

Thanks Devin!

And for what it's worth:

Kill Bill was spectacular
The Matrix Reloaded was better than average
The Hulk was insanely underrated
Bill Murray's performance in Lost in Translation is pretty awful.
I'll try to be first in line with my better half to see TCM

Then why do you bother coming back here?

And I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm genuinely curious as to why you'd come back to a place that you think has no hope to produce good discussion.

I'll say - and I think Dev will agree - that these boards had long-standing feuds, knockdown dragout fights, and trolls long before we adopted Politics or Religion forums.

And they'll have them after we get rid of them.

Bad blood is bad blood. X Chewer will annoy you in the discussion for Kill Bill just as much as they will mocking a religion or whatever.

But like Dev, I have no love for Chewers who come here merely to argue. Hell, I love reasoned debate. Point/counterpoint/rebuttal. It can be a beautiful thing. But I don't understand why the animosity has to go beyond that.

I have Chewers I don't like and Chewers who don't like me, but I think we do a pretty good job of staying away from each other without a lot of effort. No need for either of us to trouble the other.

I just wish more people here could operate the same way.

I've never seen people at CHUD make an effort to "run out" a new poster unless they were pissing A LOT of different people off.

Hell, I can't tell you how many times obvious trolls have been vigorously defended, much to their entertainment elsewhere.

In fact, this is one of the "newbie friendly"-iest communities I've seen.

In my opinion.

But as Devin said, it's a movie site first and foremost. Why would anyone even discover CHUD if not for the movie aspects? I hardly think our political or religious commentary is THAT alluring that it's revered throughout the Internet drawing new participants/combatants/spectators on the regular.

Yes, it does. There is rather a lot to talk about in multiple forums.

But a serious aspect to the used to be part is the sheer size of the membership and the pigeon-holing of topic forums. There used to be discussion of upcomings, questions of personalities, and movie site news discussion all in the same forum. That's the times you are refering to.

I see this is starting to degenerate already...

Anyway, I too started out posting exclusivly in the Sewer, but the allure of a few forums claimed me. Now, the Sewer is getting kind of lame. I don't know if its because I personally have lost some enthusiam for movies, or its because of the current crop of movies, or the amount of forums, or any other reason.

But posters can be attracted to CHUD for the movie NEWS but when they came to the MB, they found a community where they didn't want to discuss movies, but many other things. With the amount of forums CHUD has now, a poster doesn't really have to talk about movies to contribute to the community (lord knows I don't all that often), but can talk about many other things.

Of course, I don't post all that often, and I now tend to avoid forums like Politics, but thats just my 2 cents.

It's all becoming clear now...

While it is not a requirement nor a necessity to post in the Main Sewer portion of this extravaganza in order to be a Chewer, we can all agree on the moral imperative to read CHUD.com proper.

Agreed.

I head to CHUD before I even check my mail every time I get online.

I rarely post about movies here anymore. A lot of the movie threads get so bloated with posts that don't really add to the discussion that I don't feel like reading through them. I don't see that many movies in the theater as it is, and if I ever do feel like posting about one the thread for it is usually already over three pages long. Whats the point?

This might be a stupid-assed suggestion, but have you--and by you, I'm talking about complainers on both sides of the fence here--just thought about fucking ignoring people?

Seriously, it works. The Scorched Planet guys are here looking to get a reaction, cause let's face it...trolling is fun. I did it for almost two years on AICN under about 70 different handles after Knowles severely pissed me off one day. It's fun pissing people off and listening to them whine, splutter, or bluster. It kills the boredom. And the SP guys are harassing you, Devin, because you always respond to them. They know that you'll always take the bait. Ignore them and it's no longer fun. They'll stop trolling you and move on to a different target. Probably fucking me or somebody, but oh well.

And CTDelude and all the people who can't stop whining about Devin...just let it go. Jesus Christ, if he says something that pisses you off and you try to argue with him, he's just going to say something else that will piss you off, and bam, the discussion turns into a flame war. Devin or anybody else can't ruin your threads if you don't take the bait and run with it like mad bastards. There are plenty of people here who annoy me, but I don't follow, say, Bunny Dracula around in every thread and try to start shit with him/her/whatever. I just ignore him. It's easy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is none of my business. But I can promise you this thread will be five pages of venom in less than twenty-four hours, and it's all such a stupid waste of time. Damn near all the problems on these boards could be avoided if people here would just take the goddamned higher road once in a while. These stupid little whinefests are going to get the boards shut down eventually. Quit fucking it up for the rest of us who just want to hang out, make a few dumb jokes, and talk about movies.

I get your point about people registering just to be assholes (qwerty, other SP bitches) and can agree with that one hundred percent. However, some of us like to be friendly and that may be trivial to you, but the Chewers thread allows us to communicate and discuss things other than movies. I don't see how that hurts you but either way, deal with it. Don't post in the threads you don't like and for fuck's sake, stop trolling in them.

AND there's a forum for it too. Crazy!

Do I even need to address that? Sure, I'll humor you. You did that because you hate the thread and you wanted us to know that you're hot shit because Momo made a mistake and said they were called Men In Hats instead of Men Without Hats. You showed him!

You mean thick-skinned? Anyway, last time I checked this site was owned by Nick Nunziata not Devin Faraci. I respect you and what you do for CHUD, Devin (Yeah, I'm one of ten people that read the main page), but you'd be unstoppable if you could cut out bullshit like this. You're a smart guy, why waste your time on shit you can't control? Again, if you don't like the thread, you don't have to click on it OR reply. And it's not "wasted bandwidth" for the people that post in whatever thread you hate this week.

I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to see what you think you can accomplish by this. I've never flamed you, even in the Palahniuk thread you made my questions and statements were non offensive.

I don't see how this is derailing when I'm right on topic in talking about things you've referenced herein (the Late Night Thread especially or ANY thread you find to be useless). If Mikah finds me to be in the wrong, I'll respectfully stop posting here. I just wanted some answers.

Nick and anyone else given the authority by Nick to oversee the boards are the only ones who get to decide which subjects belong on the CHUD message boards. Until such time as all non-movie forums are taken down, I will continue to enjoy myself and post on these boards in whatever forums suit me. If that includes "post-whoring" in the Chud Late Night thread or similar long-running threads because I've made some friends there, so be it.

Devin, if you really want to improve the emotional health of the boards, stop posting in the politics and religion forums. I really cannot recall any of your movie-related posts that stand out as much as several of your confrontations with Republicans and Christians. I agree with a lot of what you have to say, and I think you are a pretty good writer on the main page, but most of the time on the boards you come off as an antagonistic prick. Who is accountable for that?

Oh, whatever, I never said you were a dick. I disagreed with you and made statements to showcase my side of the issue(s).

I never said you were a dick. Or a prick. But obviously you are unwilling to even think about avoiding the threads that bother you so much or add to your reputation. Do you approach Nick with your grievances? He's the one who should hear them.

By that do you mean you can't retaliate by making sly insults about peoples personal lifes? Like being a Carny or whatever?

I didn't think you were talking about one specific thread. This site has over 7,200 registered members, and you think that making comments in one of the forums will have more of an effect than talking to the owner of the site? I don't see how. There are too many people here to expect a culture change from the inside out. If I have a serious problem with how the boards are running, I will send Nick a PM or email. Though I believe he would take me seriously, I think he'd have more of a reason to read your correspondence than mine, since you work for the site and you have been here much longer than I have.

I'm not convinced that you want to solve a problem here.

I like where this discussion can go, but please keep it civil. I'm not going to be on the boards a lot today, so I'm asking for self-restraint here.

If we can't discuss a serious topic like this without it dissolving into yet another breeding ground for feuds and insults, then we have a MAJOR problem. I know you guys are better than that.

That means STICK TO THE TOPIC, which is not Devin or any Chewer in particular. If I check in later this morning and the discussion is not back squarely on-topic, I will close this thread.