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post #101 of 150
3/19/03 at 12:55pm
When did being respectful become part of what these baords are about? I thought funny and witty and biting were the main things here.
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post #102 of 150
3/19/03 at 12:55pm
Interesting stuff, all. I agree with what's going on here. Kick my ass if I get out of line please.

Can we get back to talking about movies now?
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post #103 of 150
3/19/03 at 1:01pm
Quote:
Devin is a Grievous Angel:
When did being respectful become part of what these baords are about? I thought funny and witty and biting were the main things here.
It happened when the owner of the boards, Nick, asked it of the people that were using his property.

They're not mutually exclusive. You can be witty, have fevered debate, exchange jabs, and still remain civil at the end of the day.
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post #104 of 150
3/19/03 at 2:42pm
Quote:
Devin is a Grievous Angel:
When did being respectful become part of what these baords are about? I thought funny and witty and biting were the main things here.
When did saying "f*ck you" and calling someone various names become funny, witty, or biteing?
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post #105 of 150
3/19/03 at 10:27pm
Kind of technical question for the S to the C:

Remote linked graphics are not allowed except in designated threads like the Drafts, Caption threads, Chud Boobies, etc... unless they're already Chud site images or we host them ourselves. Do sites like Geocities, Tripod, and other free websites count as self-hosting? My profile pic is a .txt modified image, and I've used similiar graphics in the past. I don't want to step on anyone's toes or get a thread fubarred because of a misunderstood rule.
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post #106 of 150
3/19/03 at 10:30pm
Quote:
Cardboard Cubed Samurai:
Kind of technical question for the S to the C:

Remote linked graphics are not allowed except in designated threads like the Drafts, Caption threads, Chud Boobies, etc... unless they're already Chud site images or we host them ourselves. Do sites like Geocities, Tripod, and other free websites count as self-hosting? My profile pic is a .txt modified image, and I've used similiar graphics in the past. I don't want to step on anyone's toes or get a thread fubarred because of a misunderstood rule.
Thanks for asking first. Geocities and that sort of stuff's fine. They make the server space available to you for whatever, so it's yours.
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post #107 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:44pm
I'd like to draw your attention to the Politics anti war protesters thread, where a member of Star Chamber (who seems to spend a lot of time logged in under that name) is engaging in the exact same personal attacks Star Chamber condemms.

All these forums should be treated with the same measure of respect, and I think to blow off attacks like that with the paltry excuse that "It's Politics, it's heated" is ridiculous.
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post #108 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:46pm
Oh, now you're keeping tabs on how much time each of us has logged under the SC name?

For the record, there were no personal attacks. I said CT's posts were unintelligible. That's the gist of my little tirade, if you wanna call any of it that.

And I asked him if he proofread.
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post #109 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:47pm
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post #110 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:47pm
Quote:
RathBandu:
...who seems to spend a lot of time logged in under that name...
How would you know?
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post #111 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:50pm
I think what he's probably referring to is my slip-up in the Comics forum earlier today. Big deal, I had just closed a thread and forgot to log out.

Other than that, I don't know how you can know who spends what amount of time logged in unless you read our Activity thread in the admin forum.
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post #112 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:50pm
I wouldn't. But it just seems to be an observation given how he "accidentaly" posted in that comics thread under the Star Chamber name.
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post #113 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:52pm
To say someone is unintelligible is to insult their intelligence. And the insinuation you made in that thread was a personal attack.

All I'm saying is, not to have Star Chamber step in there is pretty sketchy, considering how a thread was closed after ONE personal attack.
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post #114 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:53pm
No, to say someone is unintelligible is to say they don't use the "Preview Post" feature and don't put enough time into proofreading before they click "Add Reply".
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post #115 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:54pm
And who watches the watchers? Asked little Cindy Lou Who...
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post #116 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:54pm
Quote:
RathBandu:
I wouldn't. But it just seems to be an observation given how he "accidentaly" posted in that comics thread under the Star Chamber name.
I've almost done it before. It can be hard to remember sometimes that you're still logged in as SC. And all SC actions are logged and analyzed once they're done. Verbal, in all honestly, has made very few of them.

(edited to add the quote)
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post #117 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:56pm
Yeah, in 37 activity reports in the SC Admin forum, i've got 5 of them.
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post #118 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:56pm
Quote:
'Beaten' Striding Cloud Django:
And who watches the watchers? Asked little Cindy Lou Who...
How many times must we say it?!

<img src="http://www.chud.com/graphics/nick3.gif" alt="" />

THIS MAN!
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post #119 of 150
3/20/03 at 8:58pm
Say it enough and it might become true...
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post #120 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:01pm
Rath has a point though.

For the Religion thread to be closed, rightly or wrongly was setting a precedent. Religion can get just as heated as politics, after all it's a belief closer to many peoples hearts than many.

Regardless of intention on the post it came across as an attack of sorts. Now even if you acknowledge being hasty in closing the religion thread, and yes, that would be a valid reason for leaving this thread open - you learned from a mistake... the problem Rath has is I think that he expected better from an actual SC member. It just comes across as "do what I say not what I do" sort of attitude.
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post #121 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:04pm
Rath, if you'll allow me...I'll address your point.

The SC is not here to absolutely eliminate all instances of people being uncivil to each other.

We're here to keep such nastiness from derailing and destroying threads.

If you'll notice, that thread had, maybe, what...a hiccup after Verbal and CT's back and forth, and then it promptly righted itself as it stands now.

And that's how it goes. HAM and Devin have gotten in shots at each other under our watch. So have others. You can't MAKE people respect and/or like others and the way they post.

And if they can't and the conflict keeps going, then our job is to ask them to part from each other so that everyone else in the thread can thrive and continue.

Being a member of SC doesn't mean we stop being people. We're the same people we were before this started. We'll get in heated discussions, too. But we'll keep it within reason, or so help me, I will lock a thread a SC member is misbehaving in a skinny minute.

Anyway...there's your explanation.
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post #122 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:04pm
Note: Not A Personal Attack

I don't give a flying monkey fuck about whether certain forums are closer to people's hearts, it's been made clear that all forums will be policed with the same amount of "force" and I'd like to see that standard implimented.

But yes, I have a huge problem with the "do what I say, not what I do" attitude of some personnell on these boards.
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post #123 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:05pm
What I did in there is no different than what anyone else is doing. And since we aren't really cracking down on people in Political Discourse that often, I think it's OK to play along sometimes.
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post #124 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:07pm
Mikah:

Thank you for addressing the point as always.

I'm probally just paranoid, but I seem to have observed just a smidge of the "do what I say, not what I do attitude" lately. But that's proballly just my paranoia.

P.S. Check Your PMs in about five minutes.
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post #125 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:07pm
For me, it would never get to the point where Micah has to lock the thread. Never. I'd catch myself before I let myself go that far.

He's right, though...we don't stop being people, we just have to draw the line at the point where most others would not.
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post #126 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:10pm
Quote:
BoonSaint:
Rath has a point though.

For the Religion thread to be closed, rightly or wrongly was setting a precedent. Religion can get just as heated as politics, after all it's a belief closer to many peoples hearts than many.

Regardless of intention on the post it came across as an attack of sorts. Now even if you acknowledge being hasty in closing the religion thread, and yes, that would be a valid reason for leaving this thread open - you learned from a mistake... the problem Rath has is I think that he expected better from an actual SC member. It just comes across as "do what I say not what I do" sort of attitude.
I've addressed much of this above, but I'll add a few things:

There's no double-standard. Each situation is judged on its individual merit, and we'll act accordingly. Sometimes, we'll leave it be to right itself. Sometimes, we'll step in as ourselves and ask for an end to hostilities. Sometimes, nothing suffices but locking a thread.

Furthermore, I didn't pick the 9 other SC people to neuter their board personalities by demanding they become saints. We'll make slipups, and if it goes too far...just as with anyone else, it's dealt with.

Same laws apply to us.
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post #127 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:14pm
Thread Starter 
Verbal, be careful not to tread too far. The same reason I give Devin hell when he gets out of hand (because of his involvement on the site) also needs to apply to SC folks. Micah chose the group because he wanted them to be level headed.

When faced with something like this, take it to PM.

Django, you're helping no one and you're not as right or cool as you think regarding these matters.
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post #128 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:16pm
Yeah, it won't get like that again. I've tried to be more level-headed than ever this past week but I guess I slipped.
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post #129 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:19pm
The thing is, Nick started a thread in the Politics forum just a couple days ago telling people to shape up as far as civility goes. And since some threads have been closed lately for personal insults and some have not, maybe the reaction should level off in the middle. What I mean (but can't quite articulate) is that Verbal being on the SC doesn't quite matter here. EVERYBODY should quit insulting others (my Journalism teacher always said "Attack issues, not people").

So I think that "everybody's doing it" isn't a good excuse, and if everybody IS doing it, they should stop, not just the people on SC.

[Edited to say that I really should have typed this faster, as I started writing it back when Mikah posted and before Verbal apologized.]
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post #130 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:21pm
Mikah and the Big Man (TM CHUD.com) have responded. I am quite content with their explanation. Let us let this issue die.
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post #131 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:25pm
Verbs that was about the 3rd time you've pulled that with me. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you should nitpick my threads. If you are going to ask me to proof read then you better catch everyone who does it some crappy grammar as well.

Now I don't mean anything personal by bringing it up. It's just that the third time it ticked me off (and no I can't point to the examples). It reminded me too much of someone else.

You're a good guy Verbs. But I do want you to remember that because you are a member of the Star Chamber you are going to get watched like a hawk. You can't make the same mistakes others can in regards to how you respond to posts. Maybe unfair but it's a responsibility you volunteered for.

That being said everything has passed and I won't think more of it. And I admit my grammar isn't the great but you can mainly understand what I am getting at. I'm working on it.

*Edited because, hell, grammar!
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post #132 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:30pm
In regards to the politics forum... there've been some hiccups... but nothing sever really (other than the Jabba incident, which could have happened in any forum). Everyone is behaving rather well, considering the heated, shitty times right now.
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post #133 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:46pm
Y'know, I have my qualms with the SC, but some of you are really fucking relentless about it. They're going to make mistakes. And if the mistake is that an SC member makes ONE snide remark (and I haven't even read it yet, so I don't know how bad it is), don't flip out.

Be cool, be cool. Honestly, if the SC is a wrong entity, like many of you seem to think it is, just sit back and let them mess up. If they're not supposed to exist, Nick will see that.

Of course, I think the SC in general is good and they'll be here to stay.
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post #134 of 150
3/20/03 at 9:48pm
Well, CT, you oughta know by now I love to pester people about their grammar. Hell, remember when I did it to Tony Ryan? It just sort of annoys me to see people misspell things but as i'm not perfect myself, I should expect that others will make mistakes.

Beyond that, if I nitpicked unnecessarily in any other way I apologize.
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post #135 of 150
3/23/03 at 12:41am
PM for Star Chamber
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post #136 of 150
3/23/03 at 1:22am
Matt, that thread would have degraded into personal attacks and you know it. I wouldn't have closed it unless I thought so.
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post #137 of 150
3/23/03 at 1:30am
This was asked to be answered in PM, was it not?
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post #138 of 150
3/23/03 at 1:30am
So why was it ever posted about?
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post #139 of 150
3/23/03 at 1:32am
I don't know.
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post #140 of 150
3/23/03 at 1:33am
I think it's right to put things out in the open.
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post #141 of 150
3/23/03 at 1:35am
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post #142 of 150
3/27/03 at 9:44pm
I don't understand why the Michael Moore thread was closed.
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post #143 of 150
3/28/03 at 6:19am
Yeah, I'd like to know that, too...
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post #144 of 150
3/28/03 at 10:49am
It had jumped off the tracks into dark territory, apparently. No reason why a new one couldn't be started.
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post #145 of 150
3/28/03 at 11:50am
Then it seems to me that SC should have dropped a warning to try to get the thread back in shape.
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post #146 of 150
3/28/03 at 12:02pm
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
Then it seems to me that SC should have dropped a warning to try to get the thread back in shape.
That's always an option, but when there's such a proliferation of political threads on similar subjects with the same people using the below-the-belt jabs at each other, I think it's occasionally prudent to cut the losses on one going lame rather than trying to individually monitor and save each one.
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post #147 of 150
3/28/03 at 12:04pm
Agreed. But the fact that SC recommended a new thread about the topic struck me as odd. Why wouldn't the attacks from one thread just carry over to a new one?
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post #148 of 150
3/28/03 at 12:07pm
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
Agreed. But the fact that SC recommended a new thread about the topic struck me as odd.
Jabba hacked the Chamber.
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post #149 of 150
3/28/03 at 3:42pm
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
Agreed. But the fact that SC recommended a new thread about the topic struck me as odd. Why wouldn't the attacks from one thread just carry over to a new one?
Possibly. I didn't close this thread, but if I'm ever closing a thread that still seemed to have some debate left in it before the shitstorm kicked in, I suggest that those who are interested in starting afresh should do so.

I see the Star Chamber gig as being a bit like a gardener. We're not here to yank stuff out by the roots to die, we're here to prune back the things that stifle growth, and to encourage the good stuff to flourish.
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post #150 of 150
3/29/03 at 9:23pm
I'm not a big fan of STAR CHAMBER trying to be funny when they close a thread.

I wish they would just close it and say why without all the BS.

Just one idiot's opinion.
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