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post #51 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:24am
A mod could act as a mediator. Nelson didn't respond to you because he is clearly biased when it comes to you. A moderator isn't. S/he could talk to Nelson in a way that you can't because s/he is not involved in the situation.
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post #52 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:25am
Wrong button.
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post #53 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:26am
Thread Starter 
Well, if a mod wants to intervene and get Nelson to apologize for his bigoted remarks that should be offensive to all people, this would be a good place to do it I guess.
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post #54 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:27am
Question:

Shouldn't we then take a look at why Nelson would utter such a thing then in regards to Dev?

Frankly there is two people to call into account here from where I sit.
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post #55 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:33am
Thread Starter 
I agree with Delude. I would love to know why Nelson would use an anti-semitic remark.
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post #56 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:37am
Look, I am not trying to let my bias get in the way here. I just want to make sure that if action is taken against one then there should also be some accountability in making sure that everyone is held to a standard or at very least, a standard is in place for people to know where the line is and where it is not to be crossed. (Though I believe everyone should be accountable on their own)

But also this could sent a precedent I'm sure Nick wouldn't want: Someone says something bad about other, that other goes here and posts a topic quoting whatever was said. Does Star Chamber wanna deal with that?

Also someone is going to have to expain to me the dynamics of an anti-semite remark. Would Dev be up in arms if Nelson said he woke up with a cross up the ass? A Bhudda?

Because as a Christian I would find it hard to get riled up about the cross part.
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post #57 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:39am
Thread Starter 
This isn't something bad about me. There are many bad things Nelson has said about me. Please understand this is not about a personal attack. I am OK with them. You don't see me bitching about the personal attacks cluttering this thread.

This is a bigoted slur. I would be upset if he said it about anyone.
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post #58 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:44am
I for one, do find that remark offensive, and think Nelson should apologize, preferably through PM.

However, should someone start a "I Think Devin Should Apologize to Me" thread?

The longest thread in CHUD history.

So everyone grow a pair and take personal shit to PM, or have them apologize within the thread
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post #59 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:45am
Who are you dude?

You're not the Mohatma. You're just some guy making a big deal about a candle stick holder to show everyone how goddamn liberal you are. Who cares?! No one thinks you're anymore open minded than the rest of us.

I'm against biggotry too,but I know when to stop beating a dead horse.

So far I haven't read anything from real jews who are offended,just you.

Get off your high horse,no one's buying it.
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post #60 of 107
3/26/03 at 2:48am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Smirk is Anonymous:
I for one, do find that remark offensive, and think Nelson should apologize, preferably through PM.

However, should someone start a "I Think Devin Should Apologize to Me" thread?

The longest thread in CHUD history.

So everyone grow a pair and take personal shit to PM, or have them apologize within the thread
Again, I want to stress this is not about my hurt feelings. This is about a statement that the CHUD community needs to condemn.

And I think taking things like this to PM is pointless. We have a forum to hash this stuff out. I made this thread to hash this out - not to attack (or be attacked, but it's a thread by me, so that'll happen).
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post #61 of 107
3/26/03 at 3:14am
Cartman- Kyle, all those times I said you were a dumb, stupid Jew, well, I was wrong, you're not a Jew.
Kyle- Cartman, I *am* Jewish!
Cartman- There, there, don't be hard on yourself, Kyle.
This is the funniest thread I've seen so far. keep it up.
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post #62 of 107
3/26/03 at 4:04am
i think it's good that these things are addressed, however, this thread seems trite and should be STOPPED AT ALL COSTS...

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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
I really want to draw attention to this. I think this is just over the line behavior, and I want a public apology. I'm not even Jewish - although I think that the belief that because I am a New York City liberal that I am a Jew is almost as insulting as the slur itself.
DEVIN, if this isn't about you than how come there are so many I's in that first paragraph? and you saying that Montgomery thinking you are "a Jew is almost as insulting as the slur itself" really says a lot about the basis of this thread, cause you know, the world could probably use an apology for that one, in the sarcastic drawn out congratulatory words of game chatters everywhere... way... to... go...
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post #63 of 107
3/26/03 at 4:13am
Thread Starter 
No, I said the fact that Nelson thought I was a Jew because of stereotypes - New York liberal - is offensive.
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post #64 of 107
3/26/03 at 4:46am
I'm Jewish. And laughing.

I have no earthly idea why Nelson said what he said but I have got to believe that he knows Devin isn't Jewish. Devin has been accused of being anti-semitic before; who would think he's Jewish?

Therefore, if he doesn't think you're Jewish than his comment is some strange joke. I mean, it's not like calling your opponent a "racist" or "inferior" or "stupid" for shits and giggles but what is.
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post #65 of 107
3/26/03 at 4:50am
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When told I am not Jewish, he responded:

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Nelson Montgomery:
I should've said you woke up with " a pastoral staff up your ass."
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post #66 of 107
3/26/03 at 4:51am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Burke:
I mean, it's not like calling your opponent a "racist" or "inferior" or "stupid" for shits and giggles but what is.
And I have said that personal attacks, all of which those are, are not a problem. Please read the posts in a thread before responding.
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post #67 of 107
3/26/03 at 6:10am
Quote:
Burke:
I'm Jewish. And laughing.

I have no earthly idea why Nelson said what he said but I have got to believe that he knows Devin isn't Jewish. Devin has been accused of being anti-semitic before; who would think he's Jewish?

Therefore, if he doesn't think you're Jewish than his comment is some strange joke. I mean, it's not like calling your opponent a "racist" or "inferior" or "stupid" for shits and giggles but what is.
Have to agree with you here. I mean, maybe he just meant what he said...a Menorah would be a really shitty thing to have woken up with sticking up your ass. I don't think just using something from Jewish culture to make fun of someone is "bigoted". I mean it can be, but it would take a little more than what Nelson said.

Devin, one day you'll realize that other people can accomplish a lot of what you seem to strive for without causing so many problems. You singlehandedly polarize this board negatively moreso than anyone else I have ever encountered on these boards. Why not chill out? Why not give everyone a break? Why not learn to play nice? Or not at all? You just become more and more bitter, every day. Your turning into what Will became (at least in my opinion of course).
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post #68 of 107
3/26/03 at 6:14am
Also, just to clarify...the closest thing I can think of to a Menorah in the Christian religion would be a Christmas Tree. If Nelson had said you woke up with a Christmas Tree in your ass you honestly think that would make him bigotted?
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post #69 of 107
3/26/03 at 10:17am
"Devin woke up with a menorah up his ass today..."

S'cuse me, but what the hell is a menorah?

And anything up Devin arse is funny.

K'mon man get over it, I've seen you do way worse. No double standard, and stop being a baby

Cheers!
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post #70 of 107
3/26/03 at 10:26am
Devin, you homo.
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post #71 of 107
3/26/03 at 10:31am
Quote:
Ned Fats:
Also, just to clarify...the closest thing I can think of to a Menorah in the Christian religion would be a Christmas Tree. If Nelson had said you woke up with a Christmas Tree in your ass you honestly think that would make him bigotted?
Ahhh! A Christmas Tree you say, well that would fit.

And stop being a baby.
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post #72 of 107
3/26/03 at 10:37am
Quote:
Originally posted by HellSpawn
Ahhh! A Christmas Tree you say, well that would fit.
Thats funny on so many levels!
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post #73 of 107
3/26/03 at 10:39am
I saw the original post, and thought it was a weird thing to say - not bigoted as such, but certainly a peculiar choice of words. As such, Devin's got every right to ask for an explanation/apology, just as Nelson has every right to respond to, or ignore, that request.

As for everyone else joining the Devin Pile-On, chill out - it's not helping. I don't want this thread to be closed, because - in spirit - it's what this forum is for (airing problems, settling grievances - in a grown-up way) but if we continue down this track it'll be just another Dev vs The World slugfest and that's not a worthwhile use of anybody's time.

So ease off. Everybody. Please.
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post #74 of 107
3/26/03 at 10:43am
Dan makes a point. The reason I didn't close it is because I believe it's his right to brings things out like this.

But yeah, if it gets too out of hand it's done.
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post #75 of 107
3/26/03 at 10:46am
Sorry Mr. Star Chamber but this ain't a Devin against the world or a Devin pile up. I love Devin and love his post. Well I don't like LOVE Devin but you know what I mean. I mean I won't pick out shower curtains with him but I do enjoy his posts. And I just think he's being a little silly is all.

If you dish it out, you have to expect to be on the receiving end as well.

I ain't for or against anyone, mate.

Cheers!
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post #76 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:32am
Quote:
Ugly Goblin Boy:
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Originally posted by HellSpawn
Ahhh! A Christmas Tree you say, well that would fit.
Thats funny on so many levels!
BAHAHAHAH!! That's one of the best things I've read in days!!!
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post #77 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:40am
Thread Starter 
Ned, the concept isn't that a menorah up the ass is offensive. It's that a comment about someone's religion in a discussion that has NOTHING to do with religion takes on bigoted overtones.
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post #78 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:47am
Let's see. Devin (not a Jewish person) offended by something that at first even he isn't sure is anti-semitic. Burke (a Jewish person) not offended by the remark at all. Hmmmm. That strike anyone else as odd?

And if making disparaging remarks about someone's religion called for an apology then there would be a whole lot of necessity for an apology from Dev and a few others on this board.
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post #79 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:49am
Thread Starter 
OK, so Burke spoke for the Jews. Sorry, I didn't realize he had the backing of the entire Jewish population.
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post #80 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:49am
Quote:
Miaowara Tomokato (Scott Roche):

And if making disparaging remarks about someone's religion called for an apology then there would be a whole lot of necessity for an apology from Dev and a few others on this board.
A-fucking-men.
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post #81 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:50am
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
OK, so Burke spoke for the Jews. Sorry, I didn't realize he had the backing of the entire Jewish population.
Wouldn't he be a far better spokesman than you?
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post #82 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:52am
I only hate the amish, but that's it.
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post #83 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:56am
I'm sad that it was this thread that pulled me from my self-imposed exile from posting.

Oh well, something had to do it.

Devin, this is SIMPLE: What Nelson said was indeed insensitive. But if you expect people here to rally around a cry from YOU then you're wasting everyone's time.

NO ONE has been more insulting to other CHUD posters than you have over time... especially when it comes to religious matters.

And that's not a personal attack. I still like you. I just think you need to drink a glass of shut the fuck up and let it be juice when it comes to this before you really find yourself in the land of no credibility.
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post #84 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:56am
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Miaowara Tomokato (Scott Roche):
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
OK, so Burke spoke for the Jews. Sorry, I didn't realize he had the backing of the entire Jewish population.
Wouldn't he be a far better spokesman than you?
No. Some people find different things offensive.

And again, because this slur was directed at me, it's no big deal. Or maybe you guys just think that anti-semitic slurs are cool.
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post #85 of 107
3/26/03 at 11:58am
maybe you are asking for the wrong apology. Maybe Nelson saw a report on gay men using a menorah for group anal sex. Maybe he was gay-bashing and not jew-bashing.
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post #86 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:11pm
Quote:
Carl Cunningham®:
I just think you need to drink a glass of shut the fuck up and let it be juice when it comes to this before you really find yourself in the land of no credibility.
OK first of all my vote for POTD (tm)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
<strong>No. Some people find different things offensive.</strong>

Really? Thanks for the heads up. But I would imagine if a remark were truly as Anti-Semitic as you believe this one to be then Burke would have been offended.

<strong>And again, because this slur was directed at me, it's no big deal. Or maybe you guys just think that anti-semitic slurs are cool.</strong>

Yeah I'm widely known for my tolerance of antireligious/racist comments. The remark was stupid and silly but anti-semitic? Not IMO.
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post #87 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:19pm
Good to see you, Carl......
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post #88 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:29pm
Thread Starter 
OK, let me ask again:

Replace the belief that I was Jewish with the belief that I am black.

Replace menorah with watermelon.

Is this acceptable? If not, why not in this case?
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post #89 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:35pm
Quote:
Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
OK, let me ask again:

Replace the belief that I was Jewish with the belief that I am black.

Replace menorah with watermelon.

Is this acceptable? If not, why not in this case?
And as the argument goes against him, he brings up a different one to deflect the discussion away from what was actually said.
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post #90 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:37pm
Probably would be OK if for no other reason than I know of no stereotype where black people insert melons into their incorrect orifices. In other words it would be just as stupid and odd but not any worse/better and not racist but then I'm not black so perhaps I'm not the best to judge. I believe that was my original point anyway.

And in addition, a menorah is a symbol of Judaism but a watermelon is not a symbol of blackness. So that's not really comparable. I really think all he was saying was that you are uptight.
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post #91 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:38pm
He didn't say that, Devin. Honestly, I think you just misconstrued what he said. Thats just my opinion, though.

I am not disputing your right to be offended. I am also not disputing his right to say whatever the hell he wants.
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post #92 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:39pm
Now a watermelon and a Christmas Tree, well that would be a tight fit.

Do you think we could put an umbrella as well?
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post #93 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:41pm
Thread Starter 
Scott, in racist terms a watermelon is a sign of blackness.

And if you guys think I am misconstruing what was said, kindly explain to me what I was supposed to get out of that. Explain why my religion was brought into a conversation that had nothing to do with religion.
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post #94 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:42pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Pox and Awe:
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
OK, let me ask again:

Replace the belief that I was Jewish with the belief that I am black.

Replace menorah with watermelon.

Is this acceptable? If not, why not in this case?
And as the argument goes against him, he brings up a different one to deflect the discussion away from what was actually said.
I'm not bringing up a different one. I am trying to understand which slurs will make you people upset, because what I am getting here is that you people think that calling someone stupid is worse than being an anti-semite.
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post #95 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:48pm
Quote:
Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
Scott, in racist terms a watermelon is a sign of blackness.
I thought a big penis was the racist term for the sign of blackness.
Would it be offensive if he said you woke up with a big black penis up your ass?
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post #96 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:50pm
Quote:
Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
Scott, in racist terms a watermelon is a sign of blackness.
Really? I'm just learning all kinds of things today.

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And if you guys think I am misconstruing what was said, kindly explain to me what I was supposed to get out of that. Explain why my religion was brought into a conversation that had nothing to do with religion.
He was making an attempt to be cute. Rather than saying you had a stick up your ass, he said menorah. Because I guess he assumed you were jewish. Why? I guess you'd have to ask him. And are you saying it would be OK to make an anti-semitic remark if the thread were a religious one? And in closing your religion wasn't brought into this.
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post #97 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:53pm
Quote:
Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
OK, let me ask again:

Replace the belief that I was Jewish with the belief that I am black.

Replace menorah with watermelon.

Is this acceptable? If not, why not in this case?
Here's why I see that the analogy doesn't work. You say replace the belief that you are Jewish with the belief that you are black, but Nelson in no way insinuated that you were Jewish. He simply said (quite inapropriately I may add) that you should stick a menorah up your ass. He could have replaced the word menorah with just about anything and it would still remain *just* an insensitive comment. I think you are reading too much into what he wrote.

No one on CHUD would tolerate anti-semetic remarks. We just don't believe this is one.
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post #98 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:54pm
Quote:
Anyawatcher:
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Devin hates Saddam, hates the war:
Scott, in racist terms a watermelon is a sign of blackness.
I thought a big penis was the racist term for the sign of blackness.
Would it be offensive if he said you woke up with a big black penis up your ass?
OK, if you don't have anything useful to contribute it'd be better if you just didn't post at all. Because at the moment, all I'm seeing is mindless trolling.
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post #99 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:56pm
Thread Starter 
My perceived religion was. If he thought I was an Asian and called me a chink, that would be no less offensive.

I'm NOT saying an anti-semitic remark would be ok in a thread about religion, but that comment, in the context of a thread where I was going on about being Jewish, a Jewish issue, etc, would not be anti-semitic. Do you follow this reasoning? By bringing a Jewish thing into a non-Jewish thread, he is taking a swipe at my perceived Jewishness. That is anti-semitic.

And I am sad that people here are utterly unable to remove themselves from their feelings about me to see when a truly offensive thing has been said that should cause outrage from the community.
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post #100 of 107
3/26/03 at 12:57pm
What, I'm the only one here not allowed to make a joke? Scroll up there is alot of "trolling" here then.
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