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post #1 of 89
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I thought that the others of you who are wanting to do your own shorts might enjoy this. I will post a log on the progress and events of my next horror short "TV Ghosts". Here is an update:

I have gotten all my camera equipment in. It will be shot mostly with the Canon XL1S and my stunt stuff will be done with my sony that I did my last movie with. I had to get upgrades for Premiere and my DV500 program so that the Canon will work with my computer. That was a little frustrating, but it works now.

I began shooting tests with Wax worms. I am going to be using them for the maggots in the zombie attack. A friend told me where I can get them by the thousands. I have purchased closeup filters for those shots and can almost fill a frame with one of these worms.

A few days ago I began to shoot fall foliage since the climax takes place on Halloween night. I will be shooting the film over the next year and I needed to get these shots to pull it off for a fall setting. We had a foggy morning and it made a nice moody feel.

Today I got my hero vulture footage. I was able to get in a cage with several and got extreme close ups. I also was able to get some great stuff of them in trees, flying, and on a rooftop. I will later matte some of that footage in with the real house. It all came out pretty cool.

My next move is to shoot more stock fall foliage and to try to film a stunt where the lead falls off of a ladder. Once this is done, I will have to take a break, while I work on Dumb and Dumber 2. I will finish shooting that in Jan. and then go back to my project.

More later.....
post #2 of 89
Awesome...many thanks Bill.

You make this forum proud.
post #3 of 89
Agree with CT wholeheartedly here mate.
This is a great idea, i look forward to the next update.
If at all possible when ur telling us what uve been upto FX wise on ur movie can u give us a brief description of how u done it?
Only ask as u know the whole cut-out paper leaves from 'Halloween' thing, it would certainly help give me some inspiration if no one else.
post #4 of 89
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Yeah, I'll give you all the gory details. I have gone out and bought some silk fall foliage to help with the autumn look. I'll use that stuff on the ground in some shots and maybe floating by a character, etc. I start on D&D 2 today, so there won't be a whole lot happening with my movie, but when it does, I'll keep you all apprised.
post #5 of 89
Hey Bill,
Should you need an extra XL1 or an extra hand, let me know. I'd be glad to help out if I'm free...
post #6 of 89
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Thanks, I may do that.
post #7 of 89
So can I safely assume that this one will be in color?

Can't wait to see it, Mister J.

- Fixxxer
post #8 of 89
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Yes, this one will be in color. It will be a while before I get back to it do to my current insane shooting schedule.
post #9 of 89
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Well, today I went out and shot footage for the storm at the beginning of the film. There are really severe storms here(Tornado watches as well) but they make for great footage. The story starts out on the same night as the storm hits in "Don't Worry...", so it has to be really rough looking. I'm hopefully about to start my search for the lead soon. Meanwhile, it will all be scenic elements and moving on to shooting our zombie character.
post #10 of 89
Very interesting stuff.
post #11 of 89
Hey Bill,
If it helps, some of my guys from my current cast are some of the best theater folks in Atlanta, and have gone through my "film training camp", which basically consists of them waiting around while my crew and I set up shots. They also excel at listening to the director say "Tone it down, you're not on stage". Long story short, I've got some incredible talent that I'm glad to call friends. If you need some professional actors who will work for nothing, let me know. You can see some rough photos of them on the film's site <a href="http://www.gropingforluna.com/java-gropingf/gallery.jsp" target="_blank">here</a>. Also, if you need any help, another XL, moral support, let me know. I'd be glad to jump in there for you.
post #12 of 89
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Thanks, that would be cool to talk to these guys. It is pretty much going to be a one man acting gig, for the most part. I do plan to have a lot of little parts for some minor characters. It will be shot pretty much at one location (like "DWIOYI"). Give me a few weeks and then maybe we can set something up. Thanks again, Andrew.
post #13 of 89
Bill- Personally, how do you feel the XL1 is working out for you? I will be buying a camera soon, so I am just trying to get various opinons on it.

BTW, congrats on DWIOYI getting picked for the Nighmare collection! Can't wait to see it on store shelves.

- Fixxxer
post #14 of 89
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I'm not really sure as to the differences between the XL1 and the XL1s. I have the XL1s and I like it a lot. I will say that nothing looks as good as film yet, but I think that you can get some really good quality shots with this camera. I will fudge around with some of the shots in After Effects to enhance certain visual issues that I am finding. Those issues are not that frequent and I believe that I will be able to achieve my goals with this camera with little forseen problems. I really do think that it is a great camera.
post #15 of 89
That's great stuff Bill! I can't believe how many things I'm learning from this forum alone. I hope all of you guys keep it up it's very inspirational. Sorry if I got all cheesy there.

Here's a question I have. What is the average # of cameras you use or think you'll use on the films you've been or will be involved with?
post #16 of 89
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Floydian Trip:
That's great stuff Bill! I can't believe how many things I'm learning from this forum alone. I hope all of you guys keep it up it's very inspirational. Sorry if I got all cheesy there.

Here's a question I have. What is the average # of cameras you use or think you'll use on the films you've been or will be involved with?
Bill, in DWIOYI you have a Cupid statue that changes its face, creeped my girlfriend right out, how did you do that.?

And I agree, for the relatively short time this forum has been around we seem to have gathered a nice core of regular posters, all ranging from aspiring film makers to professionals in the business like Bill.
And no one gets the arse if you ask what can be interpretted as a 'sily' question, you just get answers which is great.
post #17 of 89
[quote]Dave Wickermanson:
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And no one gets the arse if you ask what can be interpretted as a 'sily' question, you just get answers which is great.
That is exactly why I like this forum as well. There are no dumb questions. If you don't know something, there is a chance many others also do not know it either.

So many other forums (even at chud) have people that either make you feel stupid or people who just ignore you. This is not one of those places.

I salute all of you.
post #18 of 89
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I agree as well. I think that there are no reasons for a great deal of attitudes that I have seen in other forums.
As for the amount of cameras that I use; I use 2. I can only afford 1 of the XL1s's and I have a small sony camera, which is the one that I shot "DWIOYI" on. Andrew has nicely offered to bring his XL1 camera and help out and I might just take him up on that. Currently I've just been using the Canon for my scenics and using my Sony only for more "stunt" type of stuff. It would be good to use 2 cameras for a lot of the shots so that you can get more coverage that will match in editing. Nick brought his camera, which was identical to my Sony, when we did "DWIOYI". He or Carl would shoot some of the scenes that I was filming from different angles and it really helped out. I know that it is not always possible to get an additional camera, but it can be a lot of help.
As for Mr. Wickermanson's question (You guys and your name changes )... I did the 2 different face changes on the statue. The first one takes place when he is on the phone and the shadow goes over the statue. It is much more subtle and was done as a disolve between 2 still shots that I imported from photoshop. I did the 2 versions of the face and imported them into After Effects and turned them into short clips of film. I then animated the shadow in, changing the transparency as the shadow passes, changing the face. As for the more dramatic change. I had multiple layers that I did in Photoshop of just the rock and various versions of the statue's face with different expressions. I then imported that into After Effects and set the images up as short overlapping clips. I then would adjust the brightness and contrasts to create the lightning flashes. I disolved between the different expressions during the dark parts of the flashes, creating a crude animation. I finally had the statue move off camera by simply moving its position out of frame and adding a motion blur. There is a lot of After Effects shots in the film that go pretty much unnoticed, which is really cool. It is a great program to have, if you want to mess around with effects.
post #19 of 89
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BillJohnson:
As for Mr. Wickermanson's question (You guys and your name changes )... I did the 2 different face changes on the statue. The first one takes place when he is on the phone and the shadow goes over the statue. It is much more subtle and was done as a disolve between 2 still shots that I imported from photoshop. I did the 2 versions of the face and imported them into After Effects and turned them into short clips of film. I then animated the shadow in, changing the transparency as the shadow passes, changing the face. As for the more dramatic change. I had multiple layers that I did in Photoshop of just the rock and various versions of the statue's face with different expressions. I then imported that into After Effects and set the images up as short overlapping clips. I then would adjust the brightness and contrasts to create the lightning flashes. I disolved between the different expressions during the dark parts of the flashes, creating a crude animation. I finally had the statue move off camera by simply moving its position out of frame and adding a motion blur. There is a lot of After Effects shots in the film that go pretty much unnoticed, which is really cool. It is a great program to have, if you want to mess around with effects.
Blimey all that work for such a short (albeit great) shot.
Yet something else ive learned today.
post #20 of 89
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Yeah, I blow a lot of time messing around with ideas that I don't even use sometimes. I spent a lot of time for a shot in the movie where our "hero" looks out the back window and up to the sky to see that the storm is almost upon him. He then looks back down to his watch and in the glimpse between looking at the sky and then down to his watch, he sees the statue looking at him evily. The problem was that the speed of the glimpse made it pretty much impossible to see the changed statue. I played with this shot for a long time, trying to work the bugs out and finally I gave up on the concept for this film, (Maybe I'll do it in TV Ghosts). Anyway, that led to the first visit on the porch while on the phone. I also did several shots where I added in rain and lightning and a lot of stuff with flies. It was a lot of work, but when it actually works... wow, what a rush. wink
post #21 of 89
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BillJohnson:
Yeah, I blow a lot of time messing around with ideas that I don't even use sometimes. I spent a lot of time for a shot in the movie where our "hero" looks out the back window and up to the sky to see that the storm is almost upon him. He then looks back down to his watch and in the glimpse between looking at the sky and then down to his watch, he sees the statue looking at him evily. I also did several shots where I added in rain and lightning and a lot of stuff with flies. It was a lot of work, but when it actually works... wow, what a rush. wink
So the flies are after effects and not you waiting patiently with your camera?
if so then hats off to ya mate 'cos it worked beautifully. And the time spent realy is worth it.
It must be hard because you spend do much time making to as good as it can be, hoping the end result is that no one will notice its an effect.
Still like you say, it must be a hell of a rush seeing your work, er work.
post #22 of 89
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BillJohnson:
I'm not really sure as to the differences between the XL1 and the XL1s.
Just found this link that details what is new about the XL1s that is not in the XL1.

<a href="http://www.dvinfo.net/canon/xl1s-skinny.php" target="_blank">http://www.dvinfo.net/canon/xl1s-skinny.php</a>

I like my XL1s quite a bit although it still frustrates me when there is not much available light.
post #23 of 89
Thanks for the info Bill. My plan is to get a nice digital camera then a decent handheld as the 2nd camera. The handhelds that I like run between $800 and just over $1,000. Do you have any recommendations as far as handhelds go and how much did that video editing software you're using run you?
post #24 of 89
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I'm not really certain about the newer handheld cameras. The one I have, I bought in 1999. There are newer models of the same camera for less money than I paid. Mine is just a sony 8/digital 8 camera. You can get some really good stuff with these cheaper cameras. Just make sure that it has manual focus and manual exposure switches. I always find myself darkening the exposures over what you would get on auto. As for the editing software, I paid around $500 to $600. It is a Pinnacle DV500 plus video capture card with Adobe Premiere . The good thing about that card is that it has a box with it that you can plug your tv into so that you can see your edited footage on tv as you edit. I bout that several years ago, as well, so I'm not totally sure what they have now. If you already have a capture card, you could by Premiere on its own. I hope that this helps.
post #25 of 89
Bill, glad to hear that things are moving along!

I guess I should let you know that my friend John Klinger has a Canon XL1 as well. If there are times when you need a second camera we might be able to work something out. He also does digital video shooting for a living now so he knows what he's doing. I'm sure he'd love to help you out and would do it just for fun. Just let me know and I'll get you in touch with him.

Also, I recently purchased a Sony TRV840 Digital8 camera. It's similar to the one you shot DWIOYI with, only it's a newer model with more features. I've shot some stuff on the expensive ME (Metal Evaporated) digital video tapes that looks simply amazing. It even captures images in Anamorphic widescreen... which is pretty cool.

Give me a call soon.

post #26 of 89
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post #27 of 89
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Thanks, Carl. We'll see how things pan out with my shots and I'll let you know.

PS, I hope that your work situation has gotten better.
post #28 of 89
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BillJohnson:
PS, I hope that your work situation has gotten better.
Well, it's better than it was because I at least currently have SOMETHING. I'm on a consulting contract at Coca-Cola for at least through June 27th. Whether or not it will get extended beyond that is still unknown, however.

But I do also have a couple of other "fish in the frier" which are both full-time jobs, thankfully. I've interviewed and I am just waiting to hear back from either of them. But they're both with major corporations so they take FOREVER to do anything. We'll see what happens.
post #29 of 89
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I just got back in the door from shooting some more scenic footage. I like to have a lot of that to set the tone. Anyway, I have decided that there is going to be a swampy area behind our main character's house. There exists such a place about 3 miles from my house, so with overcast skys, my wife and I ran out there to film. This will be the location where we first see the vultures. Well, it turns out that there really were some out there. I got some good stuff of them flying around. I also got a good shot of a great blue heron flying into frame. It also started to rain, so I got some of that as well, which is great since the film starts off with a big storm. Overall, it was a really sucessful day.I now have to wait for a foggy sunrise and then go back over there for that. Cool stuff. wink
post #30 of 89
Awesome Bill! Seems like you have your hands full, but it sounds like everything is progressing along smoothly. I think scenery shots are wonderful and they do add to the atmosphere of a film, especially horror movies when everything is achieved right. I cannot wait till I put everything together for my project, till then I hope for the best for you Bill, and can't wait to see how it all turns out. Thanks for keeping us up to date on your film.
post #31 of 89
Sounds like a productive day for you and thanks for that info about the # of cameras it is helpful. I was getting worried that a Digital camera and a handheld wouldn't be enough to really do anything with but if you can make it work on something a helluva lot more complicated than my plan then I'll be ok and that is somewhat relieveing. I need to get my interview tape in to the Fear Factor team so I can get on there and win $50,000. From the first episode of that show I wanted on but now I really do need the money. Before it was just to do those crazy ass things they come up with. I'll probably never get on though just like the Bozo show. I sent in my ticket reservations 20 years ago and never did get on dammit!

post #32 of 89
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I did a rough sketch of the zombie for the movie yesterday. I plan to do more coming up. Here is the first sketch:
<img src="http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/75/75032/folders/79849/528648zombie-2.gif" alt="" />
post #33 of 89
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BillJohnson:
I did a rough sketch of the zombie for the movie yesterday. I plan to do more coming up. Here is the first sketch:
Thats what you call a 'rough' scetch?
Then i can't wait to see a polished one. Nice work pal.
How far are you into pre-production? when do you think you will be able to have everything ready for your shoot?
post #34 of 89
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WickerMan:
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BillJohnson:
I did a rough sketch of the zombie for the movie yesterday. I plan to do more coming up. Here is the first sketch:
Thats what you call a 'rough' sketch?
Then i can't wait to see a polished one. Nice work pal.
How far are you into pre-production? when do you think you will be able to have everything ready for your shoot?
(editid four spellink)
post #35 of 89
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It's slow going right now due to interuptions in schedule and my lack of motivation at the moment. I may have a job in Russia, coming up, but I'm waiting to hear all the details. Anyway, I am going to be in Tennesee next week and I'll try to polish off the script then or shortly there after. I want to get it pretty tight. Once I do that, I'll get my cast together and then get into the meat of it.
post #36 of 89
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Last night I stayed outside until 2:30 filming an amazing electical storm that will be part of the movie. I got some really great shots and I also got some great footage of the moon. I will see if I can post some pics later.
post #37 of 89
what did you do (technically) to get your XL1s to get a good shot of the moon? Mine can never seem to get enough light to focus on it properly.
post #38 of 89
There's an art to the Manual Focus, dude.
post #39 of 89
God to hear your getting some nice shots Bill.
How's everything else going with the shoot?
Have you decided what you're going to do about the tie-in with the first movie?
post #40 of 89
Thread Starter 
I pretty much keep my camera in manual mode and do my own focusing. The problem with the moon is that, if you want the clouds around it to show (like I did), then you have to film it pretty bright. This means that the craters, etc will not show, because of the moon's brightness. You could always add them back in in the computer. If you don't care about clouds, then it is pretty simple to get a good exposure.
I did decide to tie it in with the other film. It fits rather nicely. As for the rest of the film, I am kind of dragging my feet until I get word on this movie in Kazakhstan. If I get it and don't have to leave right away, then I plan to move on and try to get a lot of it shot before I leave. I will pick up the rest of it when I get back this winter. That will work out well for a new character that I have added in. I have a shot that I want to do, when he makes a copy of the computer footage of the woman's soul onto a video tape. When he ejects the tape, you can see his breath over the tape, because it is so cold. I've also added some additional vulture stuff in the film. So far it is coming together well in my head.
post #41 of 89
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Kid Ego picked his feet...:
There's an art to the Manual Focus, dude.
Screw you, Muggle

&lt;&lt; by the way, this is a joke based on Kid's comic strip, and is not to be taken as mean spirited &gt;&gt;

post #42 of 89
BillJohnson, I saw <a href="http://us.imdb.com/Title?0155350" target="_blank">this</a> at my local mom and pop video store and it made me think of this thread.
post #43 of 89
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post #44 of 89
W.o.w.
post #45 of 89
I love the top one and both shots of the moon.
post #46 of 89
Nice shots.

In the department of "slightly off-topic" rhetorical questions, why don't smaller film companies stock up on these types of shots to use as stock footage?

I know some do, but I have seen so many low budget films where they go through the trouble to create the "fake lightning look" outside of a window and yet no sky, rain or lightning shots whatsoever to finish the effect. Strange.

***edited for spelling***

post #47 of 89
I keep the original footage of everything I shoot in a safety deposit box at the bank. If I need something kind of generic that I shot before, I can go get it.

I label them with the date I shot them and keep a detailed notebook of every shoot I work - kind of anally retentive, but it works wonders in making things easy in the future.

I went to Vegas earlier this year, shot a shitload of footage and have it if I need any generic Vegas footage. Stuff like that works too
post #48 of 89
Bill,

This are some nice shots pal, have you thought about using one of those for the poster/box cover?
post #49 of 89
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I was thinking about large close ups of all the actors filling the frames for the cover art. No really, I will probably do a photocomposite for the artwork, so I may very well use some of those images. It will be the sort of thing that will happen after I shoot the whole thing and see where it takes me. I do think that it is cool how good those came out since I shot them on digital tape. I used the frame mode on the XL1S. It really makes a difference.
post #50 of 89
I'm just chiming in here to say that the skecth and the shots look great. I'm looking foward to this Bill a whole bunch.
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