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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I am starting preproduction on my third super-8 student short film and I think I have a pretty good storyline in the works for the short. I'll describe the story first so you will know exactly what I want suggestions for.

Since I'm using super-8 perfectly sync sound is out of the question. So I have created a story where the main character starts out deaf but she doesn't know why she suddenly became deaf. The only thing that will be heard in the soundtrack is some music, her heartbeat that gets quicker throughout the story and a voiceover of her thoughts.

It starts out with a girl in her early twenties breathing fast and hard. Blood trickles out of her ears and on to the floor she stands on. She looks confused and in voiceover asks herself the question "Who Am I?" She looks down at the bloody axe she is holding. Then looks at the ground where a blood soaked mutilated man lays dead. She drops the axe and faints to the hardwood floor. Fade out. Opening titles. Fade in to her lying on the floor opening her eyes. She gets up suddenly. The man who lay dead on the floor is gone. The axe is missing.

What happens next is in a lot less detail because I still need to visualize it shot for shot.
The plot for the rest of the film involves her being stalked by the man she thinks she killed. While she tries to avoid him she has flashbacks of who she was and how she came to kill this man in the first place. The flashbacks just don't happen like her remembering stuff, she actually relives these flashbacks in third person watching herself. After a flashback sequence when she come back to present day she has a close call with the axe wielding man that she killed (there will be no question that he is dead by the way he will look). Anyway the flashbacks keep on getting more real she even grabs a piece of cloth on one and it still remains in her hand after the flashback ends. She starts to try to stop herself in these flashbacks (I hate that word but is there any other way to describe them?) but finds that she can't touch the people in them.

The short ends with her watching herself getting ready to kill this guy, she is powerless to stop herself. She has no idea what to do and just starts to yell at her flashback self to stop. Her yells turn to screams as she sees her self raise the axe over this guy (he is either incapacitated at the moment or has no Idea that she is behind him getting ready to kill him). She screams as loud as she can into her Flashback self's ear but the axe still goes down and kills the guy. At that same time she notices her flashback self eardrums bursting. Her screaming at herself is what caused her to go deaf and possibly get amnesia. Before she has time to reflect on these strange turn of events her flashback ends. She turns around just in time to see bloody an axe coming down straight at her. Cut to black.

Now I have figured out most of the tricky shots in this and everything but I can't for the life of me figure out a satisfactory reason on why she wanted to kill this guy in the first place. I want them to know each other and maybe be even boyfriend and girlfriend. But I don't want some clichéd reason like he cheated on her or she did it for the insurance money. Could someone give me some suggestions please. I might not use any of them but at least I hope some will spark ideas of my own. I'd really appreciate it.

<<edited for spelling>>

post #2 of 12
Rath's two-part advice:

1. NEVER HIRE A DANCER FOR ANYTHING.

2. Never attempt to shoot day-for-night unless you are sure beyond a doubt what the fuck you are doing.
post #3 of 12
Once again, Rath offers the same two pieces of advice.

And they never have anything to do with the question being asked.

Sleepless... I'm not sure about the character motivation, I'll think on that one... maybe no reason at all will be more interesting.

My one piece of advice, the same one I give to all my students, is if you can get anway with no VO, do it. And you can always get away with it. The writing, performing and recording of quality VO is very hard at the student level.

Show you can tell the whole story visually and you will have a much stronger film. Put your strengths into the visuals and the actress' performance and we will know what she is thinking. We won't need a poppy, scratchy VO to tell us... but more likely pull us out of the film.

Tell it with pictures!
post #4 of 12
He did ask for any piece of advice. And I always offer that because I'm basing it on my own experience.

And I think the day-for-night tip is very valid. Especially since he's using super 8. And you need to be careful with that.

post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Bruno Antony:
My one piece of advice, the same one I give to all my students, is if you can get anway with no VO, do it. And you can always get away with it. The writing, performing and recording of quality VO is very hard at the student level.
No really I can't get away with it. The film is required by the teacher to have a voiceover and other voice work. But I do intend to have it be a very minimal voiceover that is only at the begining of the short. Because I do agree that the stories that have no voice acting in them always enthrall me.

I kind of like the idea of not letting the audience know why she killed him but it really helps me to know her motivations during the preproduction.

Rath. The story will take place during the day indoors. I have a semi dark blue filter lens for my camera that I plan to use to make it seem overcast outside and also to cancel out the yellow of the lights. For the flashbacks I am going to use my yellow filter so the audience will know that is is a flashback. By the way a friend of mine did try to shoot day for night on super-8 and it came out fine. It didn't really look like night but instead had this cool twilight feel to it. I'll take your word for it on not hiring an dancer to be the actress. (what is the story behind that?) Most of my actors are film students them selfs and my main actress is a neighbor who is in highschool.
post #6 of 12
They say they make all your mistakes on your first film, and then you never make that same mistake again.

Suffice to say that when I went to film school two summers ago, I made both of those mistakes. I hired a dancer who was unreliable and divaesque, and dropped out midway through, leaving me to miscast. I was shooting on color, and I attempted to shoot DFN--and it came out with a pink tint. Of the twenty minutes of film I shot, ten of that came out, and of that, I would say three to five minutes were usable.

I paid for it. With my grade. And my life...

That's the story.
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
Interesting story. Tanks for the advice Rath.

Anyone else have suggestions?
post #8 of 12
Quote:
Sleeplesslumber:
Interesting story. Tanks for the advice Rath.

Anyone else have suggestions?
What if the dead man was her teacher but he was her teacher in the art of killing and to get a grade A she needs to kill someone close to her, so she kills him.? ]
Hey serial killer school can be a bitch.
post #9 of 12
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RathBandu:
I was shooting on color, and I attempted to shoot DFN--and it came out with a pink tint.
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post #10 of 12
After what I read I was a little confused about just what you were trying to put to film in this short. But I do have a one-time suggestion. I hope I’m not to late.

Using the explanation that you gave, I say that you have on your hand a woman that likes to dress like a man. She thinks that wanting to dress up like a man is a sin, at least that’s what she was taught in church. She struggles with her conscious as she goes out into the world like male starker. And that’s the problem. She's really tired of the play-acting, being something for others as she would wan a man to be to her. So tired that she never realized that she’s standing in front of a mirror, as she watches herself in going from pick-up joints to pick-up joints.

Then without warning she watches a woman running up behind her dressed as a man screaming, “If you can’t hear me telling you to stop, then I’m going to make sure that you won’t hear anybody else!” And with that she, the woman stabs him in the ear causing blood to gush out. The man lets her do it without a struggle. He tells her with a sickly looking smile, “You’re too late. … You know there’s only one way to stop me!” “You’re right.” She sadly replied. She rushes over to the wall and grabs the emergency fire axe. She raises the axe above her head and yells at the top of her lungs as she rushes toward the woman dressed as a man.

Someone is beating at an apartment door that turns out to belong to the troubled woman. It’s the police. They break down the door and rush in only to find a woman dressed liked a man, lying on the floor in front of a full-length mirror, dead. Her throat’s cut and the building’s hallway axe lying next to her head. ….

-----Danco_2000----
post #11 of 12
That sounds a lot like Donald Kaufman's The Three.
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Interesting but not what I'm going for. Thanks for the suggestion though.

By the way, Nelson I love that picture, Its better than any emocon currently available on the web.

&lt;&lt;Edited to add the comment to Nelson&gt;&gt;

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