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post #1 of 119
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Overall, slightly above average. Peter Weir is a very bizarre director, in what he chooses to show and how he shows it. It's mainly an educational type film, something you'd see on the history channel.

The last battle scene, when they started hand to hand combat, was shot and edited in a quite insane manner. The lighting and general disorientation was enough to almost give me an epileptic seizure. I suppose that's an accomplishment of sorts.
post #2 of 119
Let's hope this is successful enough to give Crowe a chance at Virtuosity II: You don't know what pain is
post #3 of 119
Well, I, for one, really enjoyed it. It probably won't do very well - it's not an action extravaganza nor is it a typical "award movie". The performances were terrific all around, none of them show-offy to any extent but all of them more than believable. I only saw it a few hours ago, but it's quickly shaping up to be one of my favourite movies of the year.
post #4 of 119
It opens next week in my backwoods European country but by then this thread will most likely be closed.

Which is still a great improvement over the 6 months it usually takes US films to trickle down to good old (tiny) Austria.

I like what I hear from reviews so far, especially from the negative ones. Sounds like my kind of flick but I, too, doubt that it will be very successful. It'll probably open reasonably well and then drop like a stone due to bad word of mouth. It'll have trouble making back it's enormous budget.

And I say Crowe should make ROMPER STOMPER II: SIEG HEIL HARDER!!!
post #5 of 119
This is definitely one of the best films of the year, IMHO. The action is riveting, the cat-and-mouse between the Surprise and it's French quarry is suspenseful, and the performances are great across the board. Crowe is his usual charistmatic self...I'd rank this performance below his turn in "A Beautiful Mind", but it's on par with his work in Gladiator...probably a bit better, actually. Paul Bettany is a revelation -- I'd love to see him get a Best Supporting Actor nod for this. Billy Boyd is unfortunately reduced to repeating course orders and steering the ship, but it was fun to see him as something other than a Hobbit.

People will say that the film drags at points, which is a valid criticism, but I was mesmerized through these so-called "slow points". The characters are truly given room to breathe, which is rare in such a film nowadays. I can see people lampooning Bettany's character's nature tour of the Galapagos Islands as being excessive and a hindrance to the pacing of the film, but I absolutely loved it and wouldn't have minded more. Overall, this film is an extremely polished and tight piece of work, and absolutely one of the Top 10 films of the year thus far...probably in my Top Five, actually. Bravo to all involved.
post #6 of 119
It was pretty good. The film has a good intro but was a bit slow in the middle portion. I liked the fact that children were actually fighting along with the men and a few amputation scenes. Some good performaces to especially from Crowe and Bettany. The last 20 minutes were suprisingly intense. It's not something that you should rush out to see but worth seeing once.
post #7 of 119
I fucking LOVE this film.
post #8 of 119
I love FUCKING this film!
post #9 of 119
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Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
I fucking LOVE this film.
This is such good news that words fail to capture it. Wier is my third-favorite director working today (the first two being Spielberg and Das Wolfgang).

Seeing this either tomarrow or Sunday. I'd see it sooner if it weren't for this sociology paper that's been biting me in the ass for a while now.
post #10 of 119
What a goddamn great film. I want to say that Weir simply took a camera into the 19th century and filmed what happened, but that would do a disservice to the wonderfully compelling characters, and his always-honed sense of visual, ethereal poetry. Too much wonderfulness to enumerate.
post #11 of 119
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Originally posted by Carl90210
It was pretty good. The film has a good intro but was a bit slow in the middle portion. I liked the fact that children were actually fighting along with the men and a few amputation scenes. Some good performaces to especially from Crowe and Bettany. The last 20 minutes were suprisingly intense. It's not something that you should rush out to see but worth seeing once.
This is absolutely something you should rush out to see.
post #12 of 119
My wife liked it a whole lot, and I loved it. Despite the fact it's 2 hours and 20 minutes long, I could have sat there for five more hours, completely entertained. I can see how some people might find it slow in parts, but I never got anywhere near boredom. Starting more or less in medias res was a bit jarring, but my wife and I both liked the fact that there was no real classically strong dramatic beginning, middle, and end that you'd expect. It's more "a day in the life" feel made it that much more realistic.
post #13 of 119
The best moments were not the combat, but the dinner sequences, the stuff with Bettany and Crowe's interplay, their "jam sessions", and the utter disregard in pointless exposition to cater to the generally braindead moviegoing public.
post #14 of 119
I thought the film was alright. I liked the fact that it could take time to breathe and spend some time with the characters outside of the battles, but I felt that not all of those breather times were used to their full advantage. Sometimes the interplay just fell flat for me and moments of character development didn't really shine.

In fact, nothing in the film really blew me away. There was good stuff, no doubt. Watching cannonballs rip through the ships, the character development of Will (the one-armed kid), Bettany's performance, the sound, the production design. But nothing really made me stop and say "wow." I was especially surprised that Crowe took on this role. He's capable of so much more and yet Aubrey isn't a really interesting character. He's the captain that everyone likes and who sometimes has to make the tough decisions, end of description.

And while the breathing moments are nice, they come off a bit awkwardly due to the pacing of the film. The first 30 to 40 minutes set me up for a big chase and fight, and while there's nothing wrong with where it went, it took me a while to ease into the real film, which is the story of The Surprise and her crew and the life at sea.

An all right film, but far from Oscar-worthy in anything non-technical.
post #15 of 119
This film is like the beautiful woman who is dressed to the nines, has every hair in place, has perfect make-up, and carries herself with utter style and grace -- and who you just don't find yourself attracted to in the slightest.
post #16 of 119
I thought this thread would be pretty full by now. Has no one been to see it or does nobody have anything to say about it?
post #17 of 119

One of the year's best

I saw it this afternoon and thought it was brilliant. It is something of a return to old-school historical epic filmmaking, where the characters and their journey are what's important, as opposed to the flash-bang of huge action set-pieces. I highly recommend this film to anybody who is interested in an intelligent moviegoing experience with expert direction and excellent acting across the board.
post #18 of 119
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Originally posted by Richard Dickson
I thought this thread would be pretty full by now. Has no one been to see it or does nobody have anything to say about it?
It was a slow weekend, judging by the return numbers.
post #19 of 119
I really enjoyed this movie.

It is a thinking movie, with good acting and a good story arch. It definitely immerses you and gives you a realistic feel of being there.

It's definitely marketed at a bit older crowd, and the A.D.D. gen definitely won't care for it.

As for me, it's easily the best film I've seen this year <at least until ROTK comes out>.

If you are a 'yute' go see this over Loonie Tunes. It's the lesser of two weevils. <inside movie joke>
post #20 of 119
I love historical epics but this movie was kind of boring. I thought it was well-acted, well-directed and had some great fx, but the entire story did nothing for me.
post #21 of 119
Good movie in my opinion. My only problem - WHY DID THEY SULLY RUSSELL CROWE BY TURNING HIM INTO A BLONDE? AAAAH!!
post #22 of 119
I liked it. It made me think of pirates and pirates are cool.
post #23 of 119
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Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
The best moments were not the combat, but the dinner sequences, the stuff with Bettany and Crowe's interplay, their "jam sessions", and the utter disregard in pointless exposition to cater to the generally braindead moviegoing public.
I agree totally. This picture was a dialog masterpiece, in my opinion. None of it appeared scripted or flowery. And what's better is that one was able to lose oneself in the moment. The dialog wasn't forced or "acted", which is no easy feat.

An Academy Award Nominee for Best Picture if I had my 'druthers. But not any one actor. The great performance was overall.

My son is 9 years old and enjoyed it quite thoroughly, although not all 9 year olds would.
post #24 of 119
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Originally posted by Kronos
My son is 9 years old and enjoyed it quite thoroughly, although not all 9 year olds would.
You are obviously raising him right.
post #25 of 119
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Originally posted by The_Gistmeister
This is absolutely something you should rush out to see.
No.
post #26 of 119
I loved this movie. One of the best things about is that you actually got to know and love the characters and therefore were much more concerned for their safety. Unlike most modern moves where characters enter a war. Where u basically get a quick glimpse of a guy then are expected to care when he is shot down on the battlefield. This movie nailed that feeling of comradery and brotherhood not to mention the huge feeling of loss at one experiences when losing a mate
post #27 of 119
It was very very good.

The middle part lagged where they had no wind or rain, but the movie was still fantastic. I quite enjoyed it.
post #28 of 119
Apart from feeling like an episode ripped from a series, (as has been said many times before, but may not really be something to complain about; anyone seen that space opera that started at episode four?) I thought M&C was a totally solid movie.

No corniness, (unless intended that way) "holy" plot or contemporized "humor". Just how I like it.

It's at my number two spot of this year, possibly losing the number one spot for simply being solid, (as in, not fucking anything up) but not going above and beyond the call of duty, trying to have truly unique inspired moments throughout the ENTIRE movie for an extremely specific purpose. Sure, it has quite a few, but I feel that Lost in Translation (my #1) does so at all the exact right times, so they must be ranked accordingly.

Anyway, from me, Master & Commander gets an 8.75, and is placed number 2 on my best of 2003 list. Solid, solid, filmmaking.

Now that that's over,

Kyle- The rest of the movie gives you a feel for what it was like to be on a boat 200 years ago, so the end battle sequence was attempting to do the same. I'm not sure how calm and collected the mood would be during the siege of a ship amidst tons of smoke, flying debris, and hordes of murderous Frenchies.

Pseudo-crappy return numbers- The show that I went to was almost full, at noon on Friday. Maybe that was just the O'Brian fans, but it surprised me, becasue the first showings on weekdays are usually pretty dead.
post #29 of 119
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Originally posted by Agent Back Smith
Pseudo-crappy return numbers- The show that I went to was almost full, at noon on Friday. Maybe that was just the O'Brian fans, but it surprised me, becasue the first showings on weekdays are usually pretty dead.
I had the same experience last night. Generally speaking, the theater on my typical Friday night is about half-full, maybe a little more. PACKED last night, took friggin' forever to get out of the parking lot. I was realllly surprised.
post #30 of 119
I would liked to have seen my particular theatre's seating a bit more full but the experience more than made up for the LOUSY PROMOTION this picture was given.

Should a picture ever be given a "10"? Perhaps. Maybe there's a 9.9 but I cannot really find a .10 to remove. I'm sincerely with Nick...I fucking loved this picture.

Was it because I like the genre? Perhaps. But I tend to like the more camp POTC-type film more than this. After all, I hated The Bounty the first couple of times.

I would still see POTC over and over again. But it's not in the same vein.

This was a war picture and not a Swashbuckler. And I don't recommend war pictures...at all...period. Unless of course you're a war movie nut.

This transcends the boundaries. There's a lot more than war to this picture and that's why it is one of the best movies of the year.

...and it won't be recognized for the accomplishment.

Yet those of us who know...
post #31 of 119
I really like this movie and plan on seeing it again this coming week. Even though there were a couple of scenes abit too much for me (I'm a wimp when it comes to real violent scenes but I went in expecting some of this) it did not take anything away from turning out to be a solid movie....

This is my favorite Weir movie now and Russell gives a solid performance although I will be surprised if he's even nominated this year for an Oscar. I hope Weir gets one though...
post #32 of 119
BTW: Did anybody else's print have little Braille-style dots show up during the storm scene? They almost became distracting as they displayed in the center third of the screen.

And I wasn't the only one in my viewing who saw them.
post #33 of 119
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Originally posted by Kronos
BTW: Did anybody else's print have little Braille-style dots show up during the storm scene? They almost became distracting as they displayed in the center third of the screen.

And I wasn't the only one in my viewing who saw them.
I noticed that also. Very distracting.
post #34 of 119
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Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
The best moments were not the combat, but the dinner sequences, the stuff with Bettany and Crowe's interplay, their "jam sessions", and the utter disregard in pointless exposition to cater to the generally braindead moviegoing public.
Yep, I agree with you there.

After seeing both the teaser and full trailers and expecting an action showcase, I was pleasantly surprised when the film turned out to be a character piece. I quite liked the film, especially for those reasons listed above and also for the attention to detail the film was given. I also enjoyed the scenes where Maturin finally gets to tromp around the Galapagos Islands with the one-armed kid and a servant. I don't watch the Hitler....umm, History Channel on a regular basis, so I enjoyed the "day in the life" approach this film took me on.

The only parts I had trouble with were trying to distinguish several of the similar looking officers and the occasional spoken line here and there, which was due both to my poor hearing and the thick mumbling of the foreign actors.

For my full review, see the Pre-Release discussion thread.

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Originally posted by Kronos
BTW: Did anybody else's print have little Braille-style dots show up during the storm scene? They almost became distracting as they displayed in the center third of the screen.

And I wasn't the only one in my viewing who saw them.
Yep, I saw those. I think those are markers so that Hollywood can determine when a film has been bootlegged.
post #35 of 119
For me, this was like The Hunt for Red October meets The Bridge on the River Kwai with a dash of The Mutiny on the Bounty. Excellent stuff. I saw it today, but I had to think about it for a few hours before it all sank in. This is a film that asks for your patience, but several ideas about life are explored and there is a definite intensity throughout the entire film, though the action pay-offs don't come all that often. I will have this on DVD for sure.

I can see the cover now, in place of any cool poster-art, we'll have Russell's face blown up to hideous proportions staring at us like a serial killer, with a tiny ship in the lower right hand corner just to remind us that: Hey! this is that Russell Crowe movie with the ships! They probably won't be able to even fit that title on it. Sad.
post #36 of 119
Was much better than I thought it would be. The only real complaint I had heard before going in was that it was very boring. But I never looked at my watch once.
post #37 of 119
Wonderful film, yet I'd say it's only Weir's fourth best - which is unbelievable and pretty fucking great. Crowe, hands-down, is the best leading man in film today.

Wonderful dialogue that seemed untouched by a screenwriter's hand. I remember John Sayles saying that too often scripts are about the writer's divorce. Not this one. There were several moments of genuine laughter.

The boarding scene, although not always easy to follow, is the best action scene of the film this year, and M&C and Mystic River are my two faves of the year thus far.
post #38 of 119
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Originally posted by Carl90210
No.
You are really missing the boat on this one, pal.
post #39 of 119
This was amazing, amazing stuff. This sounds weird, but I was reading reviews across the board and I was getting disgruntled because of my ROTK love. I thought this movie might be a spoiler for ROTK come Oscar time.

But I have to give this film props - it's riveting as hell, the acting is good across the board and it's probably the most realistic sea adventure put across the screen in many years.

My only beef is that it was difficult to grab names from other characters other than Captain Jack Aubrey (Crowe) and Maturin (Paul Bettany).

Most HOLY FUCKING SHIT moment: that blond one-armed kid blowing the French cannon gunner away.

9.5 out of 10.
post #40 of 119
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Originally posted by The_Gistmeister
You are really missing the boat on this one, pal.
I didn't really miss the boat on this one. I liked it but didn't think it was great nor worth running out to see. Still, glad you liked it.
post #41 of 119
Also, yes, wonderful closing shot.
post #42 of 119
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Originally posted by Carl90210
I didn't really miss the boat on this one. I liked it but didn't think it was great nor worth running out to see. Still, glad you liked it.
Indeed, certainly a valid assessment. I was just itching to use that awful pun.
post #43 of 119
I thought it was awesome, and I would really like to see Bettany get some recognition come awards time.

One of the year's best without a doubt. It far exceeded my rather low expectations.
post #44 of 119
I'm not sure why so many people had low expectations for this in the first place. It's from Weir, who has Fearless, Witness, and a few other films under his belt ranging from great to really solid. It has Crowe and Bettany. The trailer? Residual anger from A Beautiful Mind?

Anyhow, it made $25 mill this weekend, which is pretty damn good for a 140 minute historical epic. Redeems my faith in humanity.
post #45 of 119
Loved it. It's a war movie more in love with its characters and ideas than its battles. It's like The Thin Red Line with a narrative.

It just might be my favorite war film of the last twenty years.
post #46 of 119
Funny enough, the strongest reaction from the audience was the chorus of boos for Emmerich's latest bomb, The Day After the Day After Tomorrow. Or something like that. Goddamn I was proud of my audience.
post #47 of 119
I was blown away by the sound during the first attack. UNBELIEVABLY good.

Too bad there wasn't a better script to go with Weir's otherwise great film. The thinly veiled Darwin references? "Disguising" the ship as a whaler? All bad.

Weir made a mistake by writing this movie himself. Should have a great screenwriter to do the job, directed the film himself, and then we'd probably be talking about a serious Best Picture contender.

I liked the movie quite a bit, though.
post #48 of 119
Uh...Weir didn't write the movie himself. And if the script lacks, maybe it's because it's a problem in the 20 books of source material.

In other words, eh?
post #49 of 119
I'd say we're talking about a best picture contender for sure.
post #50 of 119

Master

Hello,

Newbie here,

I have to say I loved this movie, for me it didn't drag at all.

Its refreshing to see a movie that doesn't give in to the ADD style of moviemaking and yet be extremly entertaining.

9.5/10

(the extra .5 is for Paul Bettany; who is a great actor as well as being incredibly good looking )
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