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Animal Cruelty in Friday the 13th

post #1 of 36
11/18/03 at 1:05pm
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I caught the first half-hour or so of the original Friday the 13th on one of the Cinemaxes last night, and there's a scene I had forgotten about that would make animal rights activists today jump up and cry foul. It's when the teens have just arrived at Camp Crystal Lake, and they find a snake in the cabin. They chase it comically for a while, scream and squirm, and then one of them corners it and hacks it to pieces with a machete.

It's a real, living, wrigging snake, really getting chopped up on screen by a real machete.

Now I'm not a bleeding heart, but I admit being shocked. The thing most people come away from films like Cannibal Holocaust or whatever that really disturbs them is not so much the cannibal torture mutilation stuff, but the actual footage they have of animal slaughter--turtles, cows, etc. And here in one of the seminal horror films of the latter 20th century, an animal slaughter on screen.

No point really, just an observation.

And boy, they really loved those "slit your throat, wait a second, lean your head back, and start pumping the blood" scenes in the 80s, didn't they?
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post #2 of 36
11/18/03 at 1:07pm

Re: Animal Cruelty in Friday the 13th

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Originally posted by Scott Standridge
And boy, they really loved those "slit your throat, wait a second, lean your head back, and start pumping the blood" scenes in the 80s, didn't they?
But those are the best ones!
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post #3 of 36
11/18/03 at 1:31pm
I definitely think that you're onto something with the animal mutilation - it seems to disturb people more than most other things in movies.

If anyone has ever seen the documentary film Hearts of Darkness then you've seen some serious water buffalo mutilation...
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post #4 of 36
11/18/03 at 3:29pm
Those animal killings in 'Faces of Death' disturbed me much more than any of the human deaths (the REAL ones, that is..)
...after that I couldn't enjoy my mother's famous 'Monkey Brain Salad', (which we normally snarfed down on those balmy Sunday afternoons), in quite the same way, again...

Ahhhhhh...halcyon days....
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post #5 of 36
11/18/03 at 3:38pm
Hell


I got pissed in Starship Troopers when the kids were jumping on the cockroaches



AND!!!! It is the only thing that keeps me from watching Cannibal Ferox more often
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post #6 of 36
11/18/03 at 3:57pm
I HATE animal cruelty...but I'd still eat a monkey if i could.
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post #7 of 36
11/18/03 at 5:31pm
U EET MONKEY!!


U GET BEEG DISEASE WITH SMALL NAME!!!
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post #8 of 36
11/18/03 at 6:37pm
Well I think real spiders were killed in "Kingdom of the Spiders".

Not sure though.

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post #9 of 36
11/18/03 at 6:41pm
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Originally posted by Decisions Movie
Well I think real spiders were killed in "Kingdom of the Spiders".

Not sure though.
The only casualty in Kingdom of the Spiders is Shatner's toupee. By the way, Spiders was filmed in Arizona and for years my parents fooled me into believing it was a true story.

Goddamned Mom and Dad.
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post #10 of 36
11/18/03 at 6:52pm
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Originally posted by mrstiffie
It's been awhile since I've seen the original F13...animal cruelty laws have been in effect for years before that movie came out, I wonder how it slipped...
Most likely because it wasn't produced as a big studio hit.
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post #11 of 36
11/18/03 at 6:55pm
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Personally, I don't think anybody would have minded if they'd used a rubber snake filled with caro syrup. In fact, the effect might have been better. Lots more gore.

I know they were trying to prefigure the brutality to come, but still.

I'm just waiting for someone to come on and tell me it was a fake snake. Boy, will my face be red.
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post #12 of 36
11/18/03 at 6:58pm
Don't forget that snakes are evil and deserve to die. Horribly.
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post #13 of 36
11/18/03 at 7:01pm
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Originally posted by Slater
Don't forget that snakes are evil and deserve to die. Horribly.
Hey, I'm no angel. I've lopped off snakeheads with a shovel in my backyard with the best of them. But that's ridding my garden of a pest, protecting my son from bites.

To set up a shot, let the animal loose, roll the cameras, and then chop it up for cinematic effect--to me that's the snakey equivalent of a gangland style execution/snuff film.

Save the Animals! Well, the cute ones, anyway...
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post #14 of 36
11/18/03 at 7:06pm
The whole scene was improvised. That actor saved lives that day. *sniffs*
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post #15 of 36
11/18/03 at 10:08pm
You know recently I was watchingJason Lives when the deputy squashes a bug that was crawling across a report he was working on. Even that would get some squeling from the animal rights activists. It reminded me of a story I heard about the filming of The Shawshanck Redemption where during a scene Tim Robbins found a maggot in his food, and was supose to squash it. However the guy on the set from the Humane Society protested, and even went so far to create a director's chair that said "maggot" on it. Animal rights activists, you just can't talk to as Kyle said on South Park.
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post #16 of 36
11/18/03 at 10:13pm
If a few animals have to die in order for us to get a decent Friday the 13th then I'm all for it.
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post #17 of 36
11/18/03 at 10:16pm
I did some research and I found out that it wasn't a real snake









it was Steven Segal
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post #18 of 36
11/18/03 at 10:47pm
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Originally posted by Hertz van Rentall
Those animal killings in 'Faces of Death' disturbed me much more than any of the human deaths (the REAL ones, that is..)
...after that I couldn't enjoy my mother's famous 'Monkey Brain Salad', (which we normally snarfed down on those balmy Sunday afternoons), in quite the same way, again...

Ahhhhhh...halcyon days....
I only say this as the folks in the film had two tiny little mallets and (a cool) monkey-with-it's-head-through-a-hole-in-the-table setup..we just had iceberg lettuce and a mound of grey protein...I mean...where's the fun in that??
...there was also no flunky to peel back the offending bony-bits...I think a holiday is called for!
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post #19 of 36
11/19/03 at 3:37am
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Originally posted by bunnymud V2
I did some research and I found out that it wasn't a real snake









it was Steven Segal
Now why do you have to go insult that poor snake like that?! *dies laughing*
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post #20 of 36
11/19/03 at 8:43am
Were was the ponytail and fat gut
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post #21 of 36
11/19/03 at 9:11am
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Originally posted by Slater
Don't forget that snakes are evil and deserve to die. Horribly.
Jeremy Slater: patron saint of Whacking Day.
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post #22 of 36
11/19/03 at 9:27am
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Originally posted by mrstiffie
I was watching The Practice once and someone slapped Camryn Manheim, which is wrong because fat pigs have feelings too.
My God, I might have shit on myself...
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post #23 of 36
11/19/03 at 1:41pm
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Originally posted by bunnymud wants tacos
U EET MONKEY!!


U GET BEEG DISEASE WITH SMALL NAME!!!
Bullshit. First of all the monkey would have to have AIDS or carry the HI-Virus. Not all of them do. Not even many of them. Hell, maybe NONE except for those kept in laboratories and being tortured for the good of mankind.

But assuming the monkey carries the HI-Virus, the only way you'd get it would be by eating it raw or getting the blood into a wound of yours. The HI-Virus doesn't survive temperatures over 60 degrees Celsius. If you cook an AIDS monkey properly there's no way you'd get infected.

Just to inform. I'm not into eating monkeys and in fact I've never tried one. Don't think I would if given the chance. They're a bit too closely related to us humans I think. But I'd jump at the chance to try crocodile meat! Supposedly it tasts like chicken ...
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post #24 of 36
11/19/03 at 1:43pm
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I've had an alligator po' boy before.

Tastes about like rattlesnake.
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post #25 of 36
11/19/03 at 1:43pm
Aligator meat is yummy....eat it often here in New Orleans
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post #26 of 36
11/19/03 at 1:48pm
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Originally posted by bunnymud wants tacos
Aligator meat is yummy....eat it often here in New Orleans
Cool. Is that expensive? Any restaurants you could recommend?
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post #27 of 36
11/19/03 at 10:06pm
Whilst only having witnessed the first FOD (and will never view the others) it has 3 distict themes...animals getting croaked by humans (sick), animals croaking humans whilst the humans are trying to croak them (satisfying), and humans croaking themselves through their own stupidity (and I include the executions in this)

In my defense I was just 17 at the time and it was one of THOSE films you had to at least witness to score points with your peers...probably like 'Gigli' will be the dare for the current generation.
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post #28 of 36
11/20/03 at 12:44am
It may seem silly for an on-set inspector to complain about a maggot being killed, but it's all a matter of checks and balances. If that person weren't there, then it would only be a matter of time before we'd move on to bigger bugs ("come on, it's only a roach"), then to mice ("come on, it's only a mouse"), then to birds/dogs/hampsters/guinea pigs/dogs/cats/horses/water buffalos/velociraptors, etc. Personally, I'm glad the animal cruelty inspectors are there. I find true animal cruelty (and human cruelty--FOD sucks ass) absolutely deplorable. They keep us in check.
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post #29 of 36
11/20/03 at 12:50am
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Originally posted by horrorgeek
It may seem silly for an on-set inspector to complain about a maggot being killed, but it's all a matter of checks and balances. If that person weren't there, then it would only be a matter of time before we'd move on to bigger bugs ("come on, it's only a roach"), then to mice ("come on, it's only a mouse"), then to birds/dogs/hampsters/guinea pigs/dogs/cats/horses/water buffalos/velociraptors, etc. Personally, I'm glad the animal cruelty inspectors are there. I find true animal cruelty (and human cruelty--FOD sucks ass) absolutely deplorable. They keep us in check.
Yeah, but having an inspector present and the inspector objecting to killing a maggot are two different things. I don't think anyone is complaining about the inspector's presence.


And didn't they burn through a few hundred rats when they made Food of the Gods?
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post #30 of 36
11/20/03 at 1:28am
Well, you have to draw a line somewhere, and where is it drawn? You're right, the maggot issue is silly. However, I often see people pulling that one particular example out just so they can make fun of and trivialize ALL people who are outspoke about animal rights.
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post #31 of 36
11/20/03 at 1:56am
As for alligator meat...

if you stay away from the tourist spots it is inexpensive


don't eat it when the weather is cold.....more of a summer food
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post #32 of 36
11/20/03 at 8:13am
Yeah, mebbe if they ate the snake in Friday the 13th it would be cool Or mebbe it was Satan Himself, and the meager cast of a low-budget Hollywood production had yet again averted his taking dominion upon the World?
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post #33 of 36
11/20/03 at 9:41am
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Originally posted by Wetbones

But assuming the monkey carries the HI-Virus, the only way you'd get it would be by eating it raw or getting the blood into a wound of yours. The HI-Virus doesn't survive temperatures over 60 degrees Celsius. If you cook an AIDS monkey properly there's no way you'd get infected.
Oh, I'd definitely cook the monkey first.

After all, I'm not a savage...
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post #34 of 36
11/20/03 at 3:14pm
By the way, eating brains is risky business. You can get a lot of diseases from eating brains (Mad Cow/Creutzfeldt-Jakob/etc). You could also be confused with a zombie and get your head blown off.
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post #35 of 36
11/20/03 at 3:31pm
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No joke: here in Arkansas squirrel-hunting is a longstanding tradition. People hunt and eat squirrels every season. Now my uncle used to be a big squirrel hunter, and when he would come home with "a mess of 'em," he'd fry them up like chicken (or rabbit) for dinner. His daughter, my cousin, loved to have him fry the heads so she could eat the squirrel brains. None of the rest of us ever tried it, but she would happily crack the skulls with a nutcracker and chow down.

Looked surprisingly like walnuts, if I remember correctly.
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post #36 of 36
11/20/03 at 3:41pm
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Originally posted by mrstiffie
Forget the fact I'm an animal lover...that's just creepy.

Arkansaw: Is your cousin hot?!
I fart in the general direction of your cultural stereotypes.

And sadly, no, not really.
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