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post #1 of 45
11/21/03 at 3:32am
Thread Starter 
This low budget flick is now out on dvd,I remember seeing the previews on some other dvd,(by the same production company I assume),so I thought,what the hell.

As another dime a dozen wanna be filmmaker,I like to watch low budget films so I can learn what NOT to do!Of course,it's not easy no matter your budget,so I give props to these people who may be making crap films,but hey,they're out there DOING IT!

Anyway,I won't go deep into plot details,that's not the point.Basically a guy invites these people into an old mansion and they do their ghosthunting thing.Spirits mess with their heads,and then slice and dice the team.The only "names"I recognize were cameos by Caroline Munro and some other guy whose name escapes me,but I think he was the wheelchair guy in Jackie Chan's Armour of God 2.Am I wrong?Do you care?

Anyway,this film is painful.The lighting isn't very good,and as usual,the sound recording of the dialogue is typical of low budget films.The acting,what there is of it,is of course over the top and self conscious.There is ample gore,but it's all been done-women turning into ugly she devils,vomiting up intestines,sticking fingers into someones' face,etc.

On a positive note,plenty of nudity.Of very average girls though.

One thing I notice that is similar in alot of these types of films is the needless "overtalking"of the actors.

Was this a review,I don't know.I'm just sayin..............
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post #2 of 45
11/21/03 at 3:47am
I love these kinds of movies - I'll check this one out too.
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post #3 of 45
11/21/03 at 10:23am
It sucks, really.
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post #4 of 45
11/21/03 at 12:54pm
Ryan reviewed it a while ago here and yes, it does suck.
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post #5 of 45
11/21/03 at 5:02pm
Fangoria review:
http://www.fangoria.com/ghastly_review.php?id=1690

Terry M. West
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post #6 of 45
11/21/03 at 5:05pm
I haven't seen the movie, but I can say this to terrywest, who is taking a beating on these boards:

If you made a movie that pleased everybody, you'd have made Forrest Gump . And even that mostly harmless feel-good flick gets a lot of crap around here (not that I'm saying it's undeserved...another time ).

Like the first poster said: at least you're actually out there DOING it. Keep going, keep doing what you do, keep trying to get better, and you'll find your audience.

But you knew that already.
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post #7 of 45
11/21/03 at 5:08pm
Thanks, man. Like I said, I don't sweat opinions, but I think it's also only fair to note that other websites do not think "it sucks". But, hey, you can't please all the people.
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post #8 of 45
11/21/03 at 5:10pm
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Originally posted by terrywest
Fangoria review:
http://www.fangoria.com/ghastly_review.php?id=1690

Terry M. West
Linkie no workie
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post #9 of 45
11/21/03 at 5:16pm
http://www.fangoria.com/ghastly_review.php?id=1690
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post #10 of 45
11/21/03 at 5:17pm
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Originally posted by terrywest
http://www.fangoria.com/ghastly_review.php?id=1690
Hmmmm don't know what I did wrong before, but it seems to work now.
Terry
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post #11 of 45
11/21/03 at 7:19pm
Sorry, I should ammend my post...I haven't actually seen it, just took the opinion from Ryan's first initial viewing of it, and if I remember correctly he actually liked it more the second time. I withdraw my "it sucks" comment 'til I've seen it.
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post #12 of 45
11/21/03 at 10:14pm
Thread Starter 
Cool,the director frequents these boards?I didn't even catch his name,so I was unaware.Has the lad ever discussed his trials and tribs of making films?

I pointed out what I thought were sore spots in the film,and I stand by them.I hope people will be brutally honest with me when I start my projects.To continue with what I said in the first post,his friggin' film is on the shelf being rented,so that's inspiration to me.

Terry,as I said,I'm sure that making a film is alot harder than I can currently imagine,so props to you.I hope you can keep people updated(if you're that type of guy)on the process,I devour every bit of filmmaking "in the trenches"stories I can.

I don't know if Terry directed one of the other films previewed on the dvd,but it's classic!All I remember is a bunch of women sitting around and suddenly one says"I know..let's have a lingerie party!"Yes!Now that's moviemaking!Because you know,women do that stuff all the time,they really do.At least in the apartments I've been peeking into.
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post #13 of 45
11/22/03 at 1:19am
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Originally posted by Fat Dragon
Cool,the director frequents these boards?I didn't even catch his name,so I was unaware.Has the lad ever discussed his trials and tribs of making films?

I pointed out what I thought were sore spots in the film,and I stand by them.I hope people will be brutally honest with me when I start my projects.To continue with what I said in the first post,his friggin' film is on the shelf being rented,so that's inspiration to me.

Terry,as I said,I'm sure that making a film is alot harder than I can currently imagine,so props to you.I hope you can keep people updated(if you're that type of guy)on the process,I devour every bit of filmmaking "in the trenches"stories I can.

I don't know if Terry directed one of the other films previewed on the dvd,but it's classic!All I remember is a bunch of women sitting around and suddenly one says"I know..let's have a lingerie party!"Yes!Now that's moviemaking!Because you know,women do that stuff all the time,they really do.At least in the apartments I've been peeking into.
I appreciate any and all comments, my friend (as long as they are comments and not just a IT SUCKS gangbang. The internet makes it too easy for 12 year olds and frustrated artists to vent... Hey, I watched Jay & Silent Bob... I am honestly interested in what people think, but I won't respond to any thing that isn't intelligently expressed). Actually, the trailer with the slumber party girls was for HG Lewis' BLOOD FEAST 2. And I defintiely plan on keeping everybody updated on whatever I'm up to. You know, I honestly enjoy horror and have since I was a lad. I have enjoyed Creature-Corner for awhile now, and hope to meet Johnny & Ryan at Fango this Jan. Ryan's review for FLESH wasn't spectacular, but that's the chance you take when you make a movie and people review it. Never any hard feelings, as long as the review isn't personal. As a filmmaker, it's tough to expose your work to the masses and I've noticed that some critics can be overly harsh and downright nasty. I was a movie reviewer myself once (before I became a filmmaker) and I came down pretty hard on a few films (I equated HOWLING: NEW MOON RISING to the Spinal Tap review: Shit Sandwich. Literally, that was my review. Three cents a word... I was paid six cents for that review...). It's the nature of the beast.

Oh, and Johnny... if Ryan liked Flesh better after seeing it again, tell him to watch it ten more times. Maybe he'll love it, after repeated viewings!

Terry M. (Sticks & Stones) West

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post #14 of 45
11/22/03 at 1:42am
While I thought the movie could use a little work in a few spots, I was pretty impressed with a lot of the acting and direction for a movie with an otherwise meager budget.

dmeister
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post #15 of 45
11/22/03 at 1:54am
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Originally posted by dmeister
While I thought the movie could use a little work in a few spots, I was pretty impressed with a lot of the acting and direction for a movie with an otherwise meager budget.

dmeister
Thank you! Actually, I want very badly to do a director's cut one day (if Media Blasters were so inclined) because I was uncomfortable with some stuff being left out and felt that there wasn't enough b-roll utilized (I don't think enough of the mansion is shown once things kick in) and I wasn't extremely happy with the length of the pentagram scene (pretty much the only difference between the R and UNRATED versions). Some pretty key dialogue was cut to accomidate a little over indulgence here and there (I was required to cut a rough print, but had no power over the final edit... but they did fix a few things I felt passionately about). Not saying it's a bad film or that my additions would "make it better"... I still stand by it and think it's technically sound and all around solid (I'm never 100% happy with my work)... but I would love to reinsert a few things that would help the film "make more sense". Sigh, damned directors always complaining...
Terry
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post #16 of 45
11/22/03 at 3:56am
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Originally posted by Big Rich
How do you convince girls to get naked during a movie?

...or otherwise...? Any information you could give me on this matter would be appreciated.
During the audition process, I am very frank with actresses about the content. I have never had a problem with actresses and nudity. Some advice from Lloyd Kaufman: If you are working with a new actress and you require nudity for your film, shoot it first. That way, if the actress changes her mind, you haven't wasted footage and can still recast. I have heard numerous horror stories about producers and directors who have put 3/4 of a film into the can before shooting nudity, then have had actresses do a complete 360 and change their minds. I have no problems with an actress who is reluctant to do nudity, because I respect that. Also, it helps hiring actresses who have appeared in nude scenes before.
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post #17 of 45
11/22/03 at 4:41am
"I'm a serious dramatic actress, you know..."

"Of course you are, babe, of course you are! But it's like I keep telling you, I gotta shoot you naked FIRST."
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post #18 of 45
11/22/03 at 11:22am
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Originally posted by Johnny Butane
Ryan reviewed it a while ago here and yes, it does suck.
Correct me if I am wrong....but haven't you not seen it yet?
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post #19 of 45
11/22/03 at 1:02pm
Yes, shoot, which is why a few posts later I ammended my previous one...
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post #20 of 45
11/22/03 at 1:27pm
Kudos to West for hanging around these boards after my review. In too many instances we've had filmmakers whore their projects here and then pulled a disappearing act after Butane or myself weighed in with a critique.

Terry, seeing you chat it up around here is just further testiment to what I was saying in the review: you've got the ambition and love of the genre. It's good to see you still sticking around.

And yes, we'll be at Fango, it'll be great to meet you too. Although, don't expect me to pound a few beers post-show and retract anything I said about the film.
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post #21 of 45
11/22/03 at 4:34pm
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Originally posted by Rawhead Rotten
Kudos to West for hanging around these boards after my review. In too many instances we've had filmmakers whore their projects here and then pulled a disappearing act after Butane or myself weighed in with a critique.

Terry, seeing you chat it up around here is just further testiment to what I was saying in the review: you've got the ambition and love of the genre. It's good to see you still sticking around.

And yes, we'll be at Fango, it'll be great to meet you too. Although, don't expect me to pound a few beers post-show and retract anything I said about the film.
Well, was I supposed to go crying in a corner and hate mean old Ryan and Johnny over at Creature-Corner? Shit, man. I hope you guys don't a get a kick out of pissing directors off. And Ryan, if you were willing to change your opinion after meeting me, I'd think you were a pussy. I hope you guys understand where I stand now. No offense...
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post #22 of 45
11/22/03 at 4:39pm
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Originally posted by terrywest
Well, was I supposed to go crying in a corner and hate mean old Ryan and Johnny over at Creature-Corner?
Nope, I never once thought you would...but we've had our fair share of hate mail from angry directors.

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Originally posted by terrywest
Shit, man. I hope you guys don't a get a kick out of pissing directors off.
We certainly don't. As a matter of fact, I've got a number of good relations with guys who've made films that I've bashed. (Obviously not the guys I refer to at the top of this thread.)

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Originally posted by terrywest
And Ryan, if you were willing to change your opinion after meeting me, I'd think you were a pussy. I hope you guys understand where I stand know. No offense...
None taken.
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post #23 of 45
11/22/03 at 9:21pm
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Originally posted by Johnny Butane
Yes, shoot, which is why a few posts later I ammended my previous one...
Ok...whew. That tripped me out for a minute!
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post #24 of 45
11/22/03 at 9:22pm
Terry West = BALLS OF STEEL! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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post #25 of 45
11/22/03 at 11:35pm
Terry West = Playmate of the Apes
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post #26 of 45
11/23/03 at 7:17am
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Originally posted by UGB™
Terry West = Playmate of the Apes
Terry West didn't DIRECT Playmate of the apes, chuckles. Get your facts straight, okay?
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post #27 of 45
11/23/03 at 12:29pm
I don't know but I kind of liked the movie. Sure it has grattuitous nudity in it but it was kind of fun. I have a weird taste in movies but I was totally digging the entire succubus from hell killing to speed metal. And that horrible hidden video from Buckethead was entirely reminescent of the Star Wars Kid video. If you go in expecting to be scared you'll hate it. But if you go in expecting to see naked women headbanging while covered in fake blood and dangling a liver from her mouth . . . you'll love it! I thought it was worth the price of the Blockbuster rental fees.
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post #28 of 45
11/23/03 at 1:17pm
Welcome to the boards, raptorgrrrl.
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post #29 of 45
11/23/03 at 6:35pm
Thanks!
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post #30 of 45
11/24/03 at 4:46pm
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I thought the movie started out well...but then hit a nose dive fast

when I saw the black guy I thought "He's gonna die first." and to my suprise HE WAS THE FIRST TO DIE


I don't care if he reads the boards or not....it's just my opinion


After an opening that started strong, it just fell like a lead balloon
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post #31 of 45
11/24/03 at 4:53pm
I have been debating if I should pick up this movie or not for a while, but after reading this thread, I may actually pick it up after all. About a month and a half ago at a convention I met and spoke with two of the actresses from the movie and got a promo dvd with behind the scenes footage, and liked what I saw.

Some time passed and I forgot about the movie coming out, but then saw it for sale, and was basicly unsure, and even more unsure after reading negitive reviews. I was however impressed with reading some of the director's comments on this board, and may have changed my mind. It's pretty rare IMO that a movie maker would take the time to respond and address some of the shortcomings that people find in their movies, and I do respect that.

I find it distressing when I read a post about a movie (or anything) that simply states: man, this is garbage......, but then give no reason or explanation for it. One persons favorite movie, could be the worst movie ever made to another person, it's all simply opinion. An example for me would be Gothika. I read numerous bad reviews about this movie, but I really enjoyed it. Nothing really got me to jump or anything, but I liked it none the less.

Sorry to get off topic a little bit there, but my main thing was that I wish more directors, and movie makers would spend more time with the fans, and not just have the idea that : well if they didnt like it they can just screw off.......

end of rant......
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post #32 of 45
11/24/03 at 5:19pm
Added this to my netflix queue. Bad review or good review, I usually like to find out for myself.
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post #33 of 45
11/25/03 at 2:29pm
I liked it.

Finally got around to renting it 'cause I was waiting for the unrated version but the local mom&pop shop didn't order it so I had to break down and get the rated R from Schlockbuster.

I enjoy low budget horror and this was one of the better ones I've seen. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. But it was a lot of fun.

MILD SPOILERS

The Good: The scene when the house's owner is drenched in blood & intestines was hilarious. His reaction there made up for a few scenes of scenery chewing earlier in the film. Shelly got some honest laughs from me in one scene when confronted by zombies. The editing was pretty cool and I liked how the flashbacks were worked in. Also, the soundtrack kicked ass.

The Bad: Acting from the lead actress was painful. The demons outperformed her so bad you wondered how she got the lead role. While the lighting is very good in some of the mansion interiors, it goes to shit in a few scenes. Also, I thought the twist at the end felt tacked on. With more development it would have been very cool but it just kind of left you scratching your head a bit.

Overall I'd say the positives far outweighed the negatives. This was definitely better than the big budget Gothika and way better than anything Tempe or Brain Damage has put out. Props to Terry West and thanks a lot for frequenting the boards!
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post #34 of 45
11/25/03 at 2:52pm
Personally, I still think it stinks.

I'm sure Mr. West is a nice guy and all that, but I think he knows that if he makes a movie and wants everyone to like it he should never release it.

That's the only way to have no negative feedback what so ever.

Otherwise people gonna like it...people gonna hate it.

So, the director is on the boards, huh? That's great in itself, but I don't think he'll lose sleep that little 'ol me doesn't like the movie.

Hey, he still has directed a movie, and that's an accomplishment in itself.

But I really hated the movie.

Even if it goes against popular opinion.
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post #35 of 45
11/25/03 at 5:18pm
I admit the blood drenching scene was nice, but that lead actress was a bit over the top in some scenes
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post #36 of 45
11/25/03 at 7:21pm
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Originally posted by mdamien13
I liked it.

Finally got around to renting it 'cause I was waiting for the unrated version but the local mom&pop shop didn't order it so I had to break down and get the rated R from Schlockbuster.

I enjoy low budget horror and this was one of the better ones I've seen. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. But it was a lot of fun.

MILD SPOILERS

The Good: The scene when the house's owner is drenched in blood & intestines was hilarious. His reaction there made up for a few scenes of scenery chewing earlier in the film. Shelly got some honest laughs from me in one scene when confronted by zombies. The editing was pretty cool and I liked how the flashbacks were worked in. Also, the soundtrack kicked ass.

The Bad: Acting from the lead actress was painful. The demons outperformed her so bad you wondered how she got the lead role. While the lighting is very good in some of the mansion interiors, it goes to shit in a few scenes. Also, I thought the twist at the end felt tacked on. With more development it would have been very cool but it just kind of left you scratching your head a bit.

Overall I'd say the positives far outweighed the negatives. This was definitely better than the big budget Gothika and way better than anything Tempe or Brain Damage has put out. Props to Terry West and thanks a lot for frequenting the boards!
Thanks for the kind words. I am happy you enjoyed it.
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post #37 of 45
11/25/03 at 7:24pm
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Originally posted by thedudeabides
Personally, I still think it stinks.

I'm sure Mr. West is a nice guy and all that, but I think he knows that if he makes a movie and wants everyone to like it he should never release it.

That's the only way to have no negative feedback what so ever.

Otherwise people gonna like it...people gonna hate it.

So, the director is on the boards, huh? That's great in itself, but I don't think he'll lose sleep that little 'ol me doesn't like the movie.

Hey, he still has directed a movie, and that's an accomplishment in itself.

But I really hated the movie.

Even if it goes against popular opinion.
Everyone has different tastes and opinions, and I do appreciate them all, even if they are ones I don't necessarily like or agree with. The worst thing a filmmaker can endure is NOTHING being said about his film. Thanks!
Terry
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post #38 of 45
11/25/03 at 7:26pm
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Originally posted by mrstiffie
You watch. When he gets big and famous he'll leave us behind.

Why won't Tarintino repond to my birthday invitations anymore?! I told all the kids he was gonna be there!
Famous? Doubtful. Infamous? According to some, I'm halfway there...
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post #39 of 45
11/25/03 at 7:45pm
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Originally posted by mrstiffie
Well Terry you post messages on other topics which is more than I can say for some (FILTHY PLAYING AT THE BUTTSTAB THEATER DECEMBER 12TH! $1 OFF ADMISSION IF YOUR CAPS LOCKS KEY IS STUCK!) so that's cool.
Now THAT'S funny.
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post #40 of 45
11/25/03 at 9:42pm
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Originally posted by mrstiffie
Well Terry you post messages on other topics which is more than I can say for some (FILTHY PLAYING AT THE BUTTSTAB THEATER DECEMBER 12TH! $1 OFF ADMISSION IF YOUR CAPS LOCKS KEY IS STUCK!) so that's cool.

I haven't seen the movie, but from what I am hearing, it is really gory. Are you giving a nod to the early 80's gorefests such as Maniac? Just curious.

And will it ever be on cable?
Actually, I was trying to combine my love for the euro horror of the 80s with the freaky sexual nature of Franco or Rollin. t was also important to me that the victims be male. A lot of people assume that the sexual influence that permeates Flesh was from my Seduction Cinema days, but I beg to differ. I think the sexuality in this film is a lot darker and twisted (and though people insist that this is just a softcore movie, the running time of the actual sex scenes make up maybe 10-15 minutes of the 90 minute running time). Flesh is a mixed bag, and I tried to pay homage to a few of the directors who inspired me (but I don't think it is a total homage) and I, admittedly, cashed in on the fact that I have directed softcore movies in the past. As far as cable goes... could be. I'm not involved with what happens to it now. I did my job and now it's off to the next project (whatever that might be). And, just for the record, I plan to do straight horror projects that don't have such a heavy emphasis on sex. I am currenlty remastering my first film, BLOOD FOR THE MUSE, which has a few nude scenes but which relies on a heavy storyline. Many people enjoyed BFTM, and have wondered why I went on to become a smut peddler (LOL) for Seduction Cinema. Basically, I am going to film what I want to film, either for companies or on my own, and the only person I am lookng to please at this stage is me. There is no other reason to make a movie (unless you're talking gobs of money).
Terry
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post #41 of 45
11/25/03 at 10:00pm
Thread Starter 
Terry(if you'd rather I correspond by email please let me know)what exactly goes on in between your projects?I mean you are obviously directing low budget films,so are you on the studio payroll or do you direct project by project?I mean,do you have a side job or do you make some kind of living from directing?
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post #42 of 45
11/25/03 at 11:08pm
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Originally posted by Fat Dragon
Terry(if you'd rather I correspond by email please let me know)what exactly goes on in between your projects?I mean you are obviously directing low budget films,so are you on the studio payroll or do you direct project by project?I mean,do you have a side job or do you make some kind of living from directing?
I'm a hired gun. I write and direct project to project. I usually go back to a day job during the winter (nothing much goes on during the cold months) and hustle work in the spring. However, I am leaning toward some self-productions (pet projects) in 2004. I do okay from the directing (I'm not rich, my any means) but I do enjoy taking some time off and working a regular job.
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post #43 of 45
11/26/03 at 9:00am
Terry, I respect that you can take criticism and are very level headed about it.

As I said in other threads, (Dead & Rotting thread in particular) I have a certain view of horror movies, especially low budget movies, so I won't go into it again here...

But I don't mean it as a personal insult to you, and I think that's cool that you understand it.

Maybe in time I'll check out the DVD again, once my opinion has softened, and I'll see what happens.

Right now, I don't care for it at all, but I respect you immensly for directing the movie.

I will give it this: It is better than Playmate of the Apes and Dead and Rotting .

I think it's great that you are on the boards and are willing to talk to people that didn't like the movie without resorting to a "Oh Yeah, well Fuck You!" mentality.

And congratulations on the people that like the movie.

To be nice, I'll stop saying I think it sucks. (I kid, I kid...)
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post #44 of 45
11/26/03 at 1:30pm
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Originally posted by mrstiffie
Terry is cool! He has a real subtle Jedi mind trick going!

poster: " I didn't like it. I hated it."

terrywest: "That's cool. No hard feelings."

poster: "I'll watch it again."
Me personally, I still don't like it, but in time I'll give it a shot again.

I didn't like House of 1000 Corpses the first time I saw it. Hell, I hated it. But when I watched it after about 3 months I liked it a lot. Now I watch it frequently.

It's gonna take a Yoda sized mind trick to make me like something I hate, I'm that stubborn.
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post #45 of 45
11/26/03 at 7:18pm
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Originally posted by mrstiffie
Terry is cool! He has a real subtle Jedi mind trick going!

poster: " I didn't like it. I hated it."

terrywest: "That's cool. No hard feelings."

poster: "I'll watch it again."



poster: "I watched this and it wasn't good."

terrywest: "That's fine. Thanks."

poster: "I just re-watched it. I like it!"

I need your skills for dating!

I'm gonna check my video store tonite for a copy. I did watch the behind-the-scenes on the Versus DVD. Too bad that DVD is constantly out at the video store(s) around here from people not bringing it back!

Yes, you want to go to Amazon.com and buy my debut novel of horror, DREG. You want to very much... With praise such as "This is the kind of horror Terry M. West writes... the kind that comes barreling at you one hundred miles an hour" (PD Cacek), you very much want to buy my book. And these are not the droids you are looking for.




(couldn't resist the plugola... gonna plug for every "it sucks" comment I read...)
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