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So, I saw the "Battlestar Galactica" miniseries...

post #1 of 129
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...and it SUCKS!!!!

They don't even both with "futuristic" costumes beyond the military folks. It's all regular ol' 2003 outfits for some reason.

There is no plot.

You see cylons twice - once at the beginning and once in a museum. The "7 of 9" rip-off cylon is mostly in Baltar's subconscious.

The new Cylon raiders look like Batman's flyer with a big Cylon head on the front.

To make up for days when, obviously, they didn't have enough time for coverage, they'll have talking scenes where the camera just 360's around the actors as they yammer and yammer and yammer on.

There's about five or six "sets" and you never feel like you're "on" the Galactica. It's truly hard to suspend your disbelief. It feels like you're on the Star Trek "ride" in Vegas or on re-constituted "SG-1" sets.

IT'S BOOOOOOORING!!!! Like, "Children of Dune" boring. NOTHING HAPPENS. Even when the Cylons attack the planet, all you get are some silly CG mushroom clouds and a newsreport that clicks off. There is NO scope. You never get the idea that "humanity" is in peril.

The only thing interesting is that the ships - Cylons and Colonials alike - can blink in and out of hyperspace. That and the Cylon Raider missiles leave smoke trails through space, so it looks cool when they fire about a dozen torpedos at once.

Beyond that, the miniseries is languid and rather dull. I'll put up a full review later, but remember "Robocop: Prime Directives?" That's basically what this is with an "Earth: Final Conflict" feel.
post #2 of 129
Did it have the music?
post #3 of 129
If I know nothing about the original [and am not obsessing about the changes], will i like it?
post #4 of 129
If I'm lobotomized and sitting in a bed drooling on myself, will I like it?
post #5 of 129
You compare it to Children of Dune, which I loved, and to Robocop PD, which I hated. I think based on your description I will lower my expectations. Hey, at least it's free.
post #6 of 129
Ron Moore.

Nuff said...
post #7 of 129
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Originally posted by Beckmen
Hey, at least it's free.
Running full speed into a freeway embuttment is fairly low cost as well.

Yet I wouldn't do that either.
post #8 of 129
I don't know when enough of you are going to have learned the lesson under no circumstances do you ever watch a program with the following words attached:

" A Scifi channel original series/or production"

How many mental kicks to the nuts does it take for you guys to learn your lesson? Those people could fuck up a peanut butter sandwich, even without the jelly.
post #9 of 129
Yeah. Farscape and Taken were real nut smashers.

Know your role...
post #10 of 129
I was talking with Micah on Saturday when he told me he was reviewing the entire 20 hour Taken dvd.

I felt compassion...
post #11 of 129
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Originally posted by AphexHybrid, ex-semuta addict
I don't know when enough of you are going to have learned the lesson under no circumstances do you ever watch a program with the following words attached:

" A Scifi channel original series/or production"
It's difficult to say really. Every time I think maybe, just maybe somebody might have gotten something right. And then the first early scenes get disseminated...

Some are optimists and feel Bonnie Hammer might be the next one hit by Al Qaeda.
post #12 of 129
Meh. Hehe. I'll watch it anyways. Just to make fun of it. Never saw the original though.
post #13 of 129
Stop! Hammer Time!

I just wonder who the frizzy headed blond heartbreaker who fucked Ron Moore up but good in a past life was. Cause damned if that talentless fucker can't do something science fiction without making the temptress a little blond number.

Although I still love me some of Roswell's Emilie de Ravin...
post #14 of 129
You always did...
post #15 of 129
Not surprised one single bit.

Damn shame really.

Now, maybe they can throw Hatch a friggin bone!
post #16 of 129
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Originally posted by alfalfa
If I know nothing about the original [and am not obsessing about the changes], will i like it?
No.

And why bother with this when the original is out there?
post #17 of 129

Re: So, I saw the "Battlestar Galactica" miniseries...

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Originally posted by Smilin' Jack Ruby
IT'S BOOOOOOORING!!!! Like, "Children of Dune" boring. NOTHING HAPPENS.
Oh God. Children of Dune. I waded through three days of that just to see that one fight scene they kept on hyping up through the adverts.

And it lasted, like, fifteen seconds.

As for Sci Fi Minis, the best was Taken, and even that was plodding and incomprehensible.

If they're going to do a mini, then they need to flesh out a plot first, along with likable characters and less dialogue.
post #18 of 129
Taken was HORRIBLE, just HORRIBLE. But Dune and Children of Dune were both IMO great, and I have been a huge fan of Stargate SG-1 since 97, even though season 7 has been sorely disapointing so far.

So, some Scifi original programming is good. I think BG looks cool, and I am not going to let one person's negitive reviews stop me from watching it. That being said, I'll prolly be back here December 10th curing and railing the producers of this one.
post #19 of 129
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Originally posted by General Zod
Not surprised one single bit.

Damn shame really.

Now, maybe they can throw Hatch a friggin bone!
Hopefully it hits him right in the temple.


But the real question for SJR is: Did you like the Star Trek "ride" at the Hilton in Vegas?
post #20 of 129
:Ron Moore.

:Nuff said...

Yup. The same Ron Moore who wrote "Yesterday's Enterprise." Best episode of ST: TNG. Period. And now he's doing fine work on Carnivale.

:Yeah. Farscape and Taken were real nut smashers.

The fourth season of Farscape was an unrepentent pile of shit, some of the most poorly written dreck ever aired on SciFi, easily erasing memories of the solid work that had come in the three years before it. Here's an idea -- let's undermine all our existing characters and bring on a bunch of uninteresting new ones! Better yet, we'll pull the pregnancy card to see if we can amp up our flagging ratings while simultaneously gutting one of the most complexly written female characters on television. And hey, after we get cancelled for going overbudget by thirty million bucks in one season and losing audience members by the droves, we'll blame it on SciFi, the network that has time and again done nothing but support us.

Genius.

See, I'm not surprised at all that Galactica 2.0 is pure shite, seeing that the source material wasn't anything more than a Star Wars rip with a heavy-handed metaphor. Try as you might to polish a turd. You only end up with smelly hands.

And by the way, Richard Hatch is a LUNATIC. One of the most deluded men alive.

--MM
post #21 of 129
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The fourth season of Farscape was an unrepentent pile of shit, some of the most poorly written dreck ever aired on SciFi, easily erasing memories of the solid work that had come in the three years before it. Here's an idea -- let's undermine all our existing characters and bring on a bunch of uninteresting new ones! Better yet, we'll pull the pregnancy card to see if we can amp up our flagging ratings while simultaneously gutting one of the most complexly written female characters on television. And hey, after we get cancelled for going overbudget by thirty million bucks in one season and losing audience members by the droves, we'll blame it on SciFi, the network that has time and again done nothing but support us.
Exceedingly accurate.

I'm genuinely surprised Hammer allowed a space flick to be made for SciFi Channel as she despises space stuff.
post #22 of 129
Ron Moore is a fuckin' hack. His Star Trek work was competent at best - Yesterday's Enterprise was not the best episode of TNG. Good, yes. Best...fuck no.

Course he was also the guy who wrote 'Relics' only to completely forget it when he wrote 'Star Trek: Generations' a scant few years later. Which takes skills far beyond those of mortal men to do.

He single handedly killed both 'G vs E' and 'Roswell' with his patented blend of backslappin' self-congratuations and hokey science fiction conventions.

Now he's doing the same to 'Battleshit Galactica.'

To watch him live in Diego was one of the few joys of my geek life. Truly a remarkable man who stews in his own juices.

And he wrote ONE episode of 'Carnivale...'
post #23 of 129
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Originally posted by Messiahman

The fourth season of Farscape was an unrepentent pile of shit, some of the most poorly written dreck ever aired on SciFi, easily erasing memories of the solid work that had come in the three years before it. Here's an idea -- let's undermine all our existing characters and bring on a bunch of uninteresting new ones! Better yet, we'll pull the pregnancy card to see if we can amp up our flagging ratings while simultaneously gutting one of the most complexly written female characters on television. And hey, after we get cancelled for going overbudget by thirty million bucks in one season and losing audience members by the droves, we'll blame it on SciFi, the network that has time and again done nothing but support us.

--MM [/B]
Oh come on! You might not have liked it but it wasnt bad at all!
post #24 of 129
:Ron Moore is a fuckin' hack.

Granted, but there are far more aggregious hacks who come to mind....David Kemper, Brannon Braga, and the king of them all...Chri$$ Carter.

: His Star Trek work was competent at best - Yesterday's Enterprise was not the best episode of TNG. Good, yes. Best...fuck no.

My personal favorite, actually, and just about the best use of the the whole time anomaly/alternate reality story that I can think of.

:He single handedly killed both 'G vs E' and 'Roswell' with his patented blend of backslappin' self-congratuations and hokey science fiction conventions.

Now I know you liked `em, but I think those two shows were doomed from the start. G Vs E had potential, but was mired by its own lack of vision. I found Roswell to be unwatchable tripe from the start, in spite of the presence of the lovely Katie Heigl. And Jason Behr's monotone nonperformance...jeeeezus!

:Now he's doing the same to 'Battleshit Galactica.'

As I said, I don't think there's much to do with Galactica either way. Maybe Tom DeSanto could've salvaged it. And hey, the new version isn't riddled with Glen A. Larson's ludicrous mormon metaphors.

:To watch him live in Diego was one of the few joys of my geek life. Truly a remarkable man who stews in his own juices.

Yeah, I was in that audience, too. Particularly interesting since they were just recovering from the post-Olmos fallout.

:And he wrote ONE episode of 'Carnivale...'

But it was a good one, at least.

--MM
post #25 of 129
:Oh come on! You might not have liked it but it wasnt bad at all!

You know, I was about as big a fan of FARSCAPE as you could find...until Season 4. The moment the nonsensical, poorly written, ineptly directed "Crichton Kicks" aired, I knew it was over. It was a poorly conceived season that betrayed existing characters and continuity while bringing nothing to the table but poorly written hotgirls and cliched situations. As far as I'm concerned, the real FARSCAPE ended with "Into The Lion's Den, Part 2,." one ep before David Kemper reached into the bag of overused teevee cliches and had that ridiculous hag of a character intone "Aeryn is...wiiiiiittttthhh chiiiiiiildddd."

And the ratings of Season 4 back me up.

Everything afterward wasn't FARSCAPE -- it was FAUXSCAPE.

I doubt that this last desperate four-hour finale will be able to salvage it at all (if it can even find a network on which to air, that is).

No offense to you. Just my personal observations. I LOVED the show when it was good, but it wasn't good forever.

Still, it didn't get as godawful as XF in later seasons.
Nothing could.

--MM
post #26 of 129
The first six episodes of 'G vs E' were fantastic. After that...
post #27 of 129
Yeah, I loved G Vs E, but when it switched networks and turned into Good Vs Evil (WTF?) it sort of went downhill. The episodes really lost their quality. I don't recall, but I think one of the changes they made was ditching the bleeping, which IMO hurt it becuase implying swearing with that great dialogue give it un almost Tarantino-ian feel, which was the show's chief draw to me.

Anyway, I watched The Lowdown on BSG. The "documentary in space" way the filmmakers went will prolly ruin this for my. I am SO SICK of shaky cams and random zooms. Give me nice stedicam work and smooth pans ala Star Wars!
post #28 of 129
When is this on?
post #29 of 129
Next Monday I believe.

I love it when Moore and his bubble-headed cast say shit like the following in the press:

'The original series was campy and over the top. We wanted to go in a more serious direction...'

That kinda sums it up there, huh?
post #30 of 129
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Originally posted by Striding Cloud Django
Next Monday I believe.
...and Tuesday. 2 part mini-series 4 hours total.

I think the story line was good and that the ideas were cool. I am not sure if they pulled it off here. I would prefer to not get another Galactica 1980. Maybe if they get the chance to launch an actual series they fix the problems they are having.
post #31 of 129
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Originally posted by Striding Cloud Django
Next Monday I believe.

I love it when Moore and his bubble-headed cast say shit like the following in the press:

'The original series was campy and over the top. We wanted to go in a more serious direction...'

That kinda sums it up there, huh?
Ironic how they think the original is campy and not that good, yet are more than happy to steal some ideas from said show and make their own shitty version.

I lost all hope when Moore said his slutted-up versions of the Cylons were far more interesting than stuntguys in chrome suits.

Do we really need cylons that fuck?

Idiots.

Give me camp over boring, lame and cliche anyday.

I was hoping for this to be somewhat cool, but now, it just seems like another crappy presentation from the sci-fi channel .

My money says that it does not go to series.
post #32 of 129
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Originally posted by Messiahman


And by the way, Richard Hatch is a LUNATIC. One of the most deluded men alive.

--MM
The same nekkid crabwalker from "Survivor"?

Just kidding. Thank God for IMDB.
post #33 of 129
Was this on last night or is it tonight?

Edit: sorry, answered my own dumb question. tonight.
post #34 of 129
The irony is, it's getting very good reviews from those who loathed the series or thought it was just silly. The usual mainstream sources.

Now, I loathed the original series after the first five episodes (and the Return of Starbuck ep of 1980). I do wonder how I'll fall in, opinion-wise.


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Originally posted by General Zod
Ironic how they think the original is campy and not that good, yet are more than happy to steal some ideas from said show and make their own shitty version.

I lost all hope when Moore said his slutted-up versions of the Cylons were far more interesting than stuntguys in chrome suits.

Do we really need cylons that fuck?

Idiots.

Give me camp over boring, lame and cliche anyday.

I was hoping for this to be somewhat cool, but now, it just seems like another crappy presentation from the sci-fi channel .

My money says that it does not go to series.
post #35 of 129
The only thing that bothers me about people complaining about farscape, season four (and some rightfully so, it was admittedly not as good as the first three seasons) is because people forget one main fact:

Season 4 was the one that Sci-Fi fucked by tossing their own creative opinions in the mix. (One SciFi idea: "Make it more like South Park." Feh.) Naturally, it's gonna begin to suck again.

That's why I have hope with the upcoming miniseries for next year; they got Rockne S. O'Bannon back, and he hated the direction Kemper took S4 in; I think he can drive em' back in the right direction.

But Farscape aside, as that is neither here or now; I just finished watching the first half of Battlestar: Galactica. My verdict - Fuck it. Piece of crap. I give up already. I wanted to love it, I ignored the reviews, I didn't give a damn about the original series. But I just couldn't enjoy it. Too fuggin' ridiculous for me. Overacting out the ass. Gee, a bad sci-fi channel miniseries? Who saw that one coming.

Eh, that's enough for now. I'll rant in full sentences after I can put my brain back together from this thing. At least I know what not to watch tomorrow night.
post #36 of 129
What positive reviews? Knowles had reviews saying it was awful, Smilin Jack saw it. Filmjerk hated it...

Original series fans stay away. Those that enjoy sci-fi spectacle stay away. Sci-fi fans in general stay away.


Just as I thought. Awful, just awful.

Besides the lame changes, it's just boring.

NO money shots of the Cylons invading. Most of what they destroy is off-screen.

Baltar basically sells humanity out for piece of hot ass, ironically enough played by a skank. He's an unwhitting accomplice instead of the snake from the original series. Even better, he and Adama do not know each other.

The mythology is jettisoned. Yarhens and centars are no longer used. Not even Daggitt.

Some of the absolute worst sci-fi I have ever seen. No vision, no theme to this tripe.

They totally fuck themselves in trying to establish its own universe by using real world swears like "asshole." dumb.

The most annoyances of all are the gender switches for no reason whatsoever.

The fuck scenes are totally worthless.

This heap is a blend of two of the worst sci-fi shows on the air now, Enterprise and Andromeda-only not as good as either one.

It's pretty bad when the acting stylings of Richard Hatch upstage, well, everyone.

That music, that glorious music is heard only once during a ceremony sequence. The theme music is some ear-splitting drumbeats best suited for "The Beastmaster."

One positive thing to say. The female Starbuck, the actress is a major cutie. She has a million-watt smile and if in the right future project she could be major big. Until then... boring
post #37 of 129
The most notable positive review was in Variety, which thought it was very good and surprisingly engrossing, even though it took awhile to get started.

I didn't think it was anywhere near awful, but I truly missed the epic scope and spectacle. It feels like...well, it felt TV-sized, whereas the original - for the first five, anyway - seemed to want to bust out of its seams. I remember seeing the theatrical version - yes kids, in Sensurround - and marvelling how well it translated to the big screen. That wouldn't be true here. Okay, yeah, I know they're going for a verite thing, but hey? Show me the fucking Atlantia. Show me a space battle. Somethin'. It moved like paint drying, when it should just be tightening the sphincter every second.

OTOH, I thought the acting was fairly good...I loved Olmos' rendition of Adama, I liked the new Tigh as kind of a dick, I thought Baltar was more interesting than the original, and LOVED the new Starbuck. She doesn't compete with Dirk in my mind, she's just her own creation and I seriously dug her.

Liked the Galactica and the new Vipers. Liked the glimpse of the new Cylons. Hated the new auto-Raiders. Smoke trails rock.

I couldn't stand the new Apollo. Boomer was okay but seemed like a reject from Space: Above and Beyond. And though I was pleased to see they referenced to the things like Lords of Kobol and the mythologically-derived names, I missed the real basis of myth and legend the original had. Much as they screwed up the original show, and man, by the end it was much worse than this new incarnation could ever dream of being, it felt substantial and realized.

Ah well. I liked it well enough to watch tomorrow night, then we'll see where it goes.

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Originally posted by General Zod
[B]What positive reviews? Knowles had reviews saying it was awful, Smilin Jack saw it. Filmjerk hated it...
post #38 of 129
Well, this sucks. I liked Richard Hatch's ideas better.

And Children of Dune was absolutely wonderful. Back off man! Just back off!
post #39 of 129
The first hour wasn't that bad.
post #40 of 129
Gave up after forty-five minutes.

I actually wouldn't have had a problem with the gender switch thing had it been done for any other reason than Ron Moore thinking he's the God of Writers. To change the strongest character on the show - Starbuck - to a chick just smacks of 'Well...let's see what will piss 'em off' revisionist creativity more than anything.

If any male character should have been switched...it was Apollo. Change Apollo to Athena and make her the lead fighter jock above dashing rogue Starbuck and you've got something.

And Boomer...fucked if I can understand why you have to strip the strong black hero for a hot Asian chick other than because she's a hot Asian chick.

Should have been Jolly. Really.

But as it has been said before...the show removes all the elements which made the original stand out and replaces them with the standard 90's science fiction mentality of suck shit as Babylon 5 and most insultingly, Space Above and Beyond.

And don't get me started on the Skank Cylon...
post #41 of 129
Katee Sackoff as Starbuck seems OK. She is cute. I new I recognized her so I looked up her IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0755267/), she was in Halloween: Ressurection. Looking forward to seeing her in other roles.

I watched the first 10 minutes and the last 10 minutes, and have the rest on tape. Gonna watch it soon. I don't have very high expectations, but it's free and I can skip over the commercials now.
post #42 of 129
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Originally posted by General Zod
Baltar basically sells humanity out for piece of hot ass,
At last! A character I can relate to!
post #43 of 129
I didn't think it was bad at all. I liked the opening quite a bit, with the humans waiting every day for the cylons to arrive - that whole scene was well orchestrated.

the overall "look" of the show is cool.

Mary McDonnell is good in this role.
post #44 of 129
I didn't think it was that bad. I kind of like a few of the changes; it was neat to hear the original theme in the "fly by" and I liked the idea that Starbuck was able to avoid being powered down by the Cylons in the old Viper. Apollo's acting was just so-so, but EJO did a good job with Adama. Tigh is pretty good as an angry drunk. I also liked the space debris and the destroyed Vipers clanging against each other. I will agree with other posters, though, that it was a lot like Space: Above and Beyond.
post #45 of 129
Oh yeah, I agree on the swearing issue...part of the charm of the original is they conveyed the sense of the pilots being hard-flying gutter-mouths with their own invented lexicon. Mixing it up with Earth terms was a dumb move, though the first time Starbuck muttered 'frak me,' I wanted to applaud. (If they work felgercarb back in, I'll be all happy.)

I also liked a few little touches here and there. At least the playing cards are the right shape. :P And I did like that they spent more time on Caprica. I just wish they had spent more time blowing it up. (When they had the shot of Gaius' place imploding, it only emphasized how much more they could've done with the armageddon of the colonies, because that shot was genuinely impressive.)
post #46 of 129
We enjoyed the show last night. I'll probably skip 24 tonight to watch part II. Nothing earth-shaking, mind you, but I was entertained by it.
post #47 of 129
The show was pretty good. I would have changed a couple of things. Boomer and Starbuck being women was fine. Starbuck seems to have been involved with Apollo's brother which makes for an interesting relationship. I like the fact that Adama is nore hard ass and less spiritual. The vernacular would have been a nice thing to keep intact. Just a micron you frac head! That would have been a good line. We are suppose to be the same, so some similarities would have been good. My biggest problem was Baltar. In the original he is a sell out. Spare me and I will give you the Colonies. In this he's just been duped. Fallen into the oldest trap ever set for a man. Hot Ass!! So while plausible I like the old story line for him better. The ships and space battles were cool. Anyway I hope they can turn it into a series.
post #48 of 129
I really liked it. I guess I don't have much to complain about in regards to changes, since I've only seen the tv series about 2 times, but I thought it was well made. The CGI wasn't bad either.
post #49 of 129
Well, it's certainly not the disaster that everyone's painting it, and it can only come off better than the original. I could honestly not care less that it changes the original. The original needed to be changed. What it didn't need was to be REVIVED. Not everything that was ever popular needs to be revived.

It was never a good show. Sometimes it was like an Ed Wood movie with expensive SFX. The SFX were okay, sure--but the writing was mainly pretty horrid, and the acting rarely rose above the level of the writing (in fact, it's very hard for the acting to rise above the level of the writing, though very easy for it to sink below it).

So I'm not all hot and bothered that it's been redone.

Django, what, did Ron Moore fuck your wife or something? You seem to be carrying this hyperbolic, irrational hatred of the guy, randomly atributing motives and thoughts that I just can't see.

Galactica aside, the guy is doing a phenomenal job as the showrunner on Carnivale -- his script for the finale was outstanding.
post #50 of 129
Five minutes into the thing and I almost did an Elvis...what a fucking horrible thing they've done.

Watched a well-done documentary on The Samurai on History Channel instead. Actually, I'm really surprised you got 45 minutes in Dj.
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