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post #251 of 359
1/7/04 at 3:17pm
Eh, I'm not even excited about it if they get him. This isn't 1998, were not one big bat away from respectability.
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post #252 of 359
1/11/04 at 2:10am
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1705347

This bugs me. I don't want the guy, and it still bugs me. It's New York, if you get into a bidding war over Guerrero, your going to have to bring him in. Not because I want him, but because I'm going to have to hear people complaining about Duquette not signing the guy for months...

*Sigh*

Why couldn't they just stick to their original story and just ignore him altogether.
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post #253 of 359
1/11/04 at 2:42am
As an update, Vlad's apparently going to the Angels for a gauranteed five years, at $70 million.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-met...orts-headlines
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post #254 of 359
1/11/04 at 3:49am
Fuck...

I love my Angels, even though people will deny it like they always have, Anaheim is now a fucking great ballclub.


They went from little unnoticed guys to a serious contender in the AL West for a few years.

I smell Wild Card again. No wait, that's more of a AL West Champ scent.

Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself here. Is it March yet?
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post #255 of 359
1/11/04 at 4:12am
Dammit! I want to be excited about baseball! It's hard for me for two major reasons:

- NFL is still going

- The Sox blew the ARod/Manny/Nomar mega-deal

Yes, the Sox have done a fantastic job with Schilling, Foulke and a few others, but getting so close to the blockbuster, then yanking it out really sucked. Not to mention, it pissed everyone off, so we have to look forward to this year.
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post #256 of 359
1/11/04 at 12:42pm
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Originally posted by Grammaton Cleric Balderas
Fuck...

I love my Angels, even though people will deny it like they always have, Anaheim is now a fucking great ballclub.


They went from little unnoticed guys to a serious contender in the AL West for a few years.

I smell Wild Card again. No wait, that's more of a AL West Champ scent.

Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself here. Is it March yet?
Grammaton, I love the Halos pretty much more than anyone else I know. I hope these reports are legit. Damn, I cannot wait for spring training!
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post #257 of 359
1/11/04 at 1:41pm
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Vlad in an Angels uniform should mean PayRod in last place with Texas yet again. Hope the money was worth it. Just becareful of Vlad's back.

And looks like a rumored 1 year deal w/ the Marlins was garbage. Teasing fans like that when you have no intentions.
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post #258 of 359
1/11/04 at 1:49pm
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Originally posted by Anyawatchin Angel
And looks like a rumored 1 year deal w/ the Marlins was garbage. Teasing fans like that when you have no intentions.
You can include the Mets with that, *sigh*... It's already become bash the Mets day on the radio... Theres two fucking NFL playoff games today and I can't hear anything even remotely relevant...

And I actually like their moves this year, et al.
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post #259 of 359
1/11/04 at 2:47pm
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Originally posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Vlad in an Angels uniform should mean PayRod in last place with Texas yet again.
Yet another reason why the Red Sox / Rangers deal has to get done. I still have faith!
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post #260 of 359
1/11/04 at 8:23pm
So, how are Seattle and Oakland looking so far?

Can Oakland have another good season with just pitching? And only starting pitching at that.

Seattle? They start great and begin to choke near the end.

How many teams that were doing well last year will not have a repeat season?
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post #261 of 359
1/11/04 at 11:00pm
To tell the truth, outside of say... the Royals looking like they have a shot in the AL Central... does anyone see the AL turning out any differently? Everyone expects both the RedSox and the Yankees to make it, and Oaklands starting five is the best in baseball.

The NL on the otherhand looks to be in for some real changes. Sure the central seems locked up, but the East is definitely up for grabs between Atlanta, Florida and Philladelphia. And with San Diego coming up, and Bonds getting older, the West could get interesting.

And theres just so many contenders for the Wild Card, should be an interesting year for the NL.
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post #262 of 359
1/12/04 at 4:51am
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...108cubans.html
Cuban Defectors Declared Free Agents

It took a while, but Maels Rodriguez and Yobal Dueñas were finally declared free agents. Many teams seem interested. January 22nd looks to be an interesting date for quite a few teams.

Good to know that hot stove baseball will fill the two weeks prior to the Super Bowl.
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post #263 of 359
1/12/04 at 12:52pm
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Originally posted by MoNkaholic
And with San Diego coming up, and Bonds getting older, the West could get interesting.
Unfortunately, the NL West looks to get more interesting just because it's not as good as it was the last few years. When the Diamondbacks can lose Curt Schilling and a ton of payroll and look like they still have a shot at the division, that's just watered down baseball. The Padres have probably moved into slot #2 or #3, the Rockies are the Rockies and the Dodgers just look ugly right now. The Giants are the only NL West team that has a chance of being one of the better teams in the NL overall, and that's if everything rolls right for them.
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post #264 of 359
1/12/04 at 12:58pm
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Originally posted by Grammaton Cleric Balderas
So, how are Seattle and Oakland looking so far?

Can Oakland have another good season with just pitching? And only starting pitching at that.

Seattle? They start great and begin to choke near the end.

How many teams that were doing well last year will not have a repeat season?
Seattle is consistantly good during the season and then choke around 20 games before the playoffs start.

Seattle has picked up a lot of free agents and has revamped their entire left infield (3B, shortstop, and 2B) with new imports.

I'm predicting that Oakland won't have the season they had last year with pitching alone. They need to step up the offense.
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post #265 of 359
1/12/04 at 2:02pm
CLEMENS TO HOUSTON!
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post #266 of 359
1/12/04 at 2:15pm
Woohoo! Now I no longer have to listen to delirious Yankee fans that want him to go into the hall as a Yankee.
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post #267 of 359
1/12/04 at 2:45pm
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Originally posted by MoNkaholic
Woohoo! Now I no longer have to listen to delirious Yankee fans that want him to go into the hall as a Yankee.
Nor a delirious Clemens who says he wants to go into the Hall as a Yankee.
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post #268 of 359
1/12/04 at 3:01pm
Thread Starter 
The NL Central gets more interesting
So The Rocket gives the home state discount to pitch fror the Asstros. Still like the Cubs chances and can't wait till the Rocket goes head hunting and comes up to bat next inning.
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post #269 of 359
1/12/04 at 3:11pm
I wont argue that it isn't easier to pitch inside in the AL, but that's part of the game. Randy Johnson still pitches inside, I don't think it's much of an issue really. I still remember when he threw in on Lofton, Lofton had some choice words, and Randy said he'd have hit him if he wanted to... good times.

It's a shame players are so protected these days, if a guy misses a bit inside, he'll get stare downs *cough*Manny*cough*.
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post #270 of 359
1/12/04 at 3:24pm
Randy Johnson has the benefit of knowing that if he does get beaned and decides to retaliate he could probably take off a body part. I'd think that plays into other guys not headhunting him.
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post #271 of 359
1/12/04 at 3:28pm
Thread Starter 
Not many people are gonna attack the giant Randy Johnson and he isn't known as a head hunter. Clemens(and Pedro) hide behing the DH.

I just hope the Rocket has fun pitching in the juice box and not having Rivera closing for him.
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post #272 of 359
1/12/04 at 4:46pm
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Originally posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Not many people are gonna attack the giant Randy Johnson and he isn't known as a head hunter.
This is my issue though, nobody is trying to hit a guy in the head... even Clemens. Guys like Pedro, Randy and Roger command the inner half of the plate, and quite frankly, I don't blame them. If a guy wants to hang over the plate (a la Bonds), he's begging for a pitch up and in.

I don't get why everyone coddles these players, it's how Baseball has always been played.
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post #273 of 359
1/12/04 at 5:41pm
I gotta say, I've always had a soft spot for the 'Stros. I'm not a huge Clemens fan but Clemens/Pettite/Miller/Oswalt is freaking intense. Oswalt is my favorite young pitcher in the game even though I don't think he'll ever = Prior, and regardless of who you decide their #4 is, he's better than your #4 (so's their #3 for that matter). As bad as the NL West is getting, the Central is getting that much better.

What the hell are the Cardinals doing?
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post #274 of 359
1/12/04 at 5:58pm
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Hate to bring up actual stats w/ the Pitching staffs of the Cubs/Astros but. Here is what their era's were last season
Astros
Oswalt-2.97 era
Clemens-3.91 era
Pettitte-4.02 era
Miller-4.14era
Redding-3.68 era

Cubs
Prior-2.43
Wood-3.2
Zambrano-3.11
Clement-4.11
Add Maddux who is rumored to come here and we get his 3.95 era.

Not to mention the Cubs set the all time record for stikeouts in a seasom(beating their own record) and team era's are Cubs-3.36 to the Astros 3.74. The Astros lost the 2nd best closer in the league Wagner and the Cubs dumped Alf, Veras, and Guthrie who sucked when it counted and added a stud RP in Hawkins and Another good lefty in Merker.

So to say the Astros pitching staff is better cuz they have Clemens and Pettitte isn't accurate.

It'll be a good race but the Cubs are still the team to beat.
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post #275 of 359
1/12/04 at 6:20pm
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Originally posted by A-Pathetic
What the hell are the Cardinals doing?
Giving up?

And one thing your going to have to remember in this comparison is that the Stros pen is still better than the Cubs... and now they have guys that can pitch innings. Now how these two Yankees will fair is an issue. But it's not like Yankee stadium was a pitchers park, and the NL is obviously the easier league to pitch in.

If I had to put money on it, I'd pick the Cubs, but the Stros sure are making it interesting.
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post #276 of 359
1/12/04 at 6:33pm
Try looking without the Cubbie glasses on. I'm willing to take bets on Zambrano not repeating what he did last season, and I'm less than shocked that a Cubbie die-hard would take Miller's stats at face value. Miller is a freaking stud who battled injuries and an ugly first half and is far better than his stats portray. The last 2 months of the season his ERA was 3.8, and that's including a horrible 1.2 inning implosion his last start of the season (injury if I remember correctly). Clement? Ugh. Add in you're actually taking the time to include a pitcher who isn't even signed (or even appearing close to signing) and it's not as peachy as you try to make it out to be. Wood and Prior are studs, no doubt about it. I'd rather have Wood and Prior than Oswalt and Miller, but by less than the Cubbie faithful would say. Would I rather have Pettite and Clemens or Clement and Zambrano? Come on...

I wouldn't sugarcoat the loss of Wagner, but the Astros have done some impressive revamping of the pitching staff. This isn't an attack on the Cubs (apparently any team in the NL Central getting some love is an attack on the Cubs for Anya), it's just admiration of a nice off-season.
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post #277 of 359
1/12/04 at 9:31pm
Isnt SJR a Houston fan. Where are ya'?
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post #278 of 359
1/13/04 at 2:18am
For the love of GOD NOOOOOOOOO!

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Maddux is next quarry at Shea - By Bob Klapisch
Although reeling from the news that Vladimir Guerrero was in and out of their grasp in just 24 hours, apparently on his way to Anaheim, the Mets already are mulling their next target - Greg Maddux. Members of the organization believe Fred Wilpon could be convinced to use the $10 million to $11 million that was ticketed for Guerrero on Maddux.
If the Mets sign another Atlanta Brave reject, I'm going to lose it. I didn't want Glavine, and in no way do I want Maddux. Especially for $10 million a season.

I don't care if it's even conjecture at this point, do not even joke about bringing Maddux to Shea.
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post #279 of 359
1/13/04 at 6:59pm
Well I am Astros fan too and I just have one thing to say.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!
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post #280 of 359
1/15/04 at 8:16pm
How bout those Reds! I can't wait to go see Jon van der Wal next year. I hope they get some young pitching since they blew this thing up, ala Marlins.
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post #281 of 359
1/15/04 at 8:25pm
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I heard the Tigers and Cubs are competing for Pudge. I can't believe Pudge would go to Detroit. The would have to overpay to get him. If the Cubs don't land Maddux Pudge could come here but if the do sign him I can't see the Cubs getting him. If it wasn't for Boras I bet Pudge would be signed alread. This guy needs to be out of sports.
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post #282 of 359
1/15/04 at 11:00pm
I think Boras' pull in MLB is dwindling. Almost all of his clients re-up for arbitration, rather than sign these large non-existant contracts he constantly says are out there.

Though with such a rapid decline in salaries, I wonder how long before the players association screams collusion.
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post #283 of 359
1/16/04 at 6:26pm
Boras's pull dwindling = Phillies succeeding.

For reasons unknown, he HATES the Phillies. Ever since JD Drew. For similarly unknown reasons, he LOVES the Cardinals. He tried to get Millwood to go to the Cardinals and is generally a shady character.

Clearly, I'm biased, but did anyone do more to address their needs in the offseason than that Phillies?

They needed a closer and middle reliever. Wagner and Worrell. Check.

They needed needed to keep or replace Milwood and find a 5th starter. Kept Milwood and picked up Milton. Check.

They needed to solidify their bench and add some speed with the loss of Nick Punto. Signed Wooten and Glanville. Check.

If they don't win the East this year, there is no justice. What a brilliant job of solidifying an already solid lineup.
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post #284 of 359
1/16/04 at 6:46pm
As with most years, I would say the NY Yankees.

They presumably had a hole in their lineup in RF, so they signed Gary Sheffield. Their bullpen was shakey before Mariano Rivera, so they signed Tom Gorden and Paul Quantrill. They lost Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite (still not sure why George didn't make him a priority), and replaced them with Kevin Brown and Javier Vazquez. They needed a backup first basemen, so they signed Tony Clark. They presumably needed a DH with Nick Johnson's departure, so they signed Kenny Lofton, and slotted Bernie Willliams into the role. All in all, the rich just got richer.

Anaheim and Philadelphia have had impressive offseasons, but I don't think either will win their division in 2004. Note that I think they both have legitimate shots, but I've seen both the Oakland Atheletics and the Atlanta Braves pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat before.
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post #285 of 359
1/16/04 at 8:25pm
Thread Starter 
Hey Chavez how much money you got?

Brewers for sale


Good offseason in no order-Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Phillies, Angels. I know I'm missing a team or 2 but I'd say those are the top 5. San Diego did deent if you count adding Giles. The Royals did decent too considering they are a small market team. I omit the Astros not cuz of Cubbie blue but because they lose Wagner and Pettitte and Clemens are switching leagues and Clemens is old and wasn't preparing for the regular season like he usually did. He suppose to have a killer offseason workout and I can't imagine he was doing any of it.
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post #286 of 359
1/16/04 at 9:51pm
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Originally posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Clemens is old and wasn't preparing for the regular season like he usually did. He suppose to have a killer offseason workout and I can't imagine he was doing any of it.
Ah, but he was. He was preparing for the Olympics, up until the US bowed out about a month after he filed for free agency.
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post #287 of 359
1/17/04 at 8:12pm
I've been a big Astros fan my whole life, and all I can say is FINALLY!! Drayton McClane somehow figured out that if you want an above par ball club YOU HAVE TO SPEND $$$$. I realize that this is just insanely giddy wishful thinking, but goddamn if this isn't the 'Stros year. They have the best rotation in the NL (yeah, I said it), and a helluva offensive line up. I really think that this is their last chance to make a serious run for the World Series (or at least win a goddamn playoffs series), since Bags and Biggio (and Kent too, for that matter) ain't getting any younger. I predict I'm gonna be spending a lot of time this season at Minute Maid Park (god i hate that fucking name, they should've just left it as Astros Field, which it was called after the Enron fiasco).
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post #288 of 359
1/19/04 at 12:39am
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Oh Chewy. You are so wrong about your Asstros on many levels. But I let you keep your dream for now.

And Cardnial fans? Pujlos wants to break the bank in St. Louis. Turned down 11 million a year. This guy wants Sosa to AROD money. Once he gets it the Cards are dead. They don't have money as it is now to get anybody. And are they the 1st baseball team to have PSL's?
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post #289 of 359
1/19/04 at 12:53am
Seriously, if Pujols is healthy, and continues going the way he has... shouldn't he demand at least as much as Guerrero? Guerrero has real back issues, and has basically hit his ceiling. Who knows what Pujols' ceiling is?

If I were the Cardinals, I'd seriously think about moving Edmonds for some blue chip pitching prospects in return.

And wow... Detroit offered Pudge four years at $40 million? That's just retarded.
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post #290 of 359
1/19/04 at 1:05am
Thread Starter 
Pujlos is worth alot but St. Louis isn't a big market and the owner in Anaheim is new & loaded and wants to make a statement. He overpaid for Colon and gets a risky guy in Vlad

I can't see anyone taking Edmonds. I hear he's a ass in the club house and he is getting up there in age.

Retarded is just about right for Detroit. Nobody would give the guy a 4 year deal. They are bidding with themselves. But they were practically the worst team in baseball last year so I guess they have to over spend.

Cubs also inked Woods to a 1 year 9.something million deal avoiding arbatration. And Maddux appears not far behind.
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post #291 of 359
1/19/04 at 1:06am
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Originally posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Hey Chavez how much money you got?

Brewers for sale
My fiancee would kill me if I had to skimp on the wedding to buy the Brewers.
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post #292 of 359
1/19/04 at 1:09am
Well, if St Louis was smart, they'd have moved Edmonds already to the Yankees. Who are always looking to splurge, especially this offseason when they were looking for a replacement in CF. It's not like the teams filled with character guys anymore.
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post #293 of 359
1/19/04 at 7:41pm
Thread Starter 
cubs avoid arbiitration with Lee
6 mil + for an all star 1st baseman who hits better on the road than at Pro Player Stadium. This might turn out to be the Jim Thome move of last year(best move)
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post #294 of 359
1/19/04 at 7:59pm
Weren't you the big Pudge backer (and wow, does that sound wrong)? I'm surprised you don't consider that the biggest move of the '02 offseason. Anyway, wasn't it all but assumed that the Cubs would sign the guy? Wouldn't make much sense for them to trade for him, only to let him go.

And seriously, in a year where Curt Schilling, Bartolo Colon, Javier Vazquez, Kevin Brown, Andy Pettite and Roger Clemens all change teams... isn't declaring Derek Lee the biggest move of the offseason a bit of a stretch?

[Edit: well that came out a bit strong, you had a bunch of qualifiers... so I suppose that second part really has no place in this post... ah well. ]
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post #295 of 359
1/19/04 at 9:10pm
Thread Starter 
Pudge-Thome had more of an impact in the regular season. He carried the Phillies while the Marlins had a bunch of good players as those who didn't fdollow them closely found out. Pudge was huge in playoffs.

And I say Lee because he solves a huge part of the Cubs offense that already had a stud pitching staff. Lee could hit near .300 in Wrigley(hit .290 on the road last year) w/ 40 homers and 100 RBI. The other acquisition to rival Lee is Wagner in Philly. And while Lee was going to sign no matter what his trade was still a huge move.

The other teams add ons are big. Schilling is big but the Sox won what 95 games last year, the Sox won't get more than 100 wins. The Yankee players just traded w/ Pettitte/Clemens. The Astros did good but they might have to ditch Hildago now and I need to see those 2 guys pitch in the juice box. The Angels did well but Vlad's back is iff and Colon while good is overpaid.

I just think Lee has the most room for improvement and he will help the Cubs offense(and defense) that was their main weakness till Lofton, Rameriz, and Simon came. A stretch-yeah but i think it has a shot to come through
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post #296 of 359
1/20/04 at 6:53pm
The A-Rod deal isn't done yet!

ESPN

Both sides are supposedly meeting this weekend to talk trade. I knew this shit wasn't going to die. This deal HAS TO GET DONE. HAS TO.
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post #297 of 359
1/20/04 at 7:44pm
How can they continue to do this to poor Nomahh? I guess they have to do it, but poor guy has basically been slapped around recently.
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post #298 of 359
1/20/04 at 8:03pm
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Originally posted by GimelMartinez
How can they continue to do this to poor Nomahh? I guess they have to do it, but poor guy has basically been slapped around recently.
Without a doubt...and that's why I say the deal has to get done. Otherwise, we'll lose Nomahhhhhhhhh at the end of the year with nothing in return (no way he re-signs with the Sox).
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post #299 of 359
1/20/04 at 8:05pm
What if Darth Steinbrenner sees that Nomar Skywaler can become the greatest Yankee ever and offers him to join the dark side....would he?
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post #300 of 359
1/20/04 at 8:08pm
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Originally posted by Vader
What if Darth Steinbrenner sees that Nomar Skywaler can become the greatest Yankee ever and offers him to join the dark side....would he?
FUCK NO. Besides, Nomahhhhhhhhhhhh wants to play short and I don't think he could move Jeter out of that spot. I'd love to keep him and put him at second, but it would be too expensive.

I love saying how keeping a $12 million-a-year player is too expensive when talking about $252 million contracts.
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