THE KILL LIST, Round Three Discussion (Brian Benbens Over) - Page 5  

Russell,
dick and fart jokes are unstoppable

OK so where did he call it a classic? I searched and the only place I could find where he mentions it recently is the "I Smell Stale Crackers" thread and there he just says he likes it and admits that it is a nostalgic love (not a bad thing).

I'm eagerly awaiting you to defend the "smarts" of DWMC Dev.

I have very little faith that Clerks will make it out of this draft alive, and that makes me sad.

If he didn't use the word classic then i am wrong. I rarely read these boards, and when i do i skim them often, so i may have gotten something mixed up in my head.

Still - to waste any energy defending Goonies while wanting to destroy 2001 is a sign of bad bad thinking.

From the main page:

So it doesn't have to be because we hate or even don't like the movie. In some ways I like ST:TMP but the whole franchise would be better off if it had never existed. So like/not like doesn't even have to enter the picture. After all Blo dumped Terminator to stop Arnie's political carrer and the Crow was dropped to save the lead. Now Slater does hate 2001 but it sounds like he has well thought out reasons and you don't necessarilly disagree.

Interesting, because I had little faith it would be taken out, and that makes ME sad. Clerks could very well have been my first round pick if I were participating.

But I'm a Smith-hater. Or at least a Smith-I-Don't-Enjoy-er. I don't actually hate him, I just feel that my time was wasted watching his films.

That's way too broad of a statement.
I get your point, but using the Slater/Goonies/2001 example is flawed.
His defense of Goonies was all in cheeky fun. He didn't seem to think any more highly of it than you think of Dude, Where's My Car.

Fair enough.

Nope. Just a sign that he liked one and not the other.

Devin, Devin, Devin...poor, sad, "I must be constantly persecuted for my intellectual might otherwise my life is meaningless" Devin, thanks for that arrogant, smarmy, insulting post that proved every single one of my points about the negative side of film intellectualism, about how it becomes a fucking black hole of name-calling if the participants aren't able to rise above snide little shots at people's intellgence.

I think it's absolutely hilarious that you base your entire little argument around a quote that I never even made in the first place. Go ahead, go read that thread again. I'll wait.

Back already? Hey, whaddya know, I never once called "Goonies" a classic! Never once compared it to "good" cinema, or praised it for it's "screaming set pieces," whatever that means. In fact, the only thing I said about Goonies was:

Wow, that sure doesn't sound like I was calling Goonies a masterpiece, does it? Didn't even call it a good movie, you might notice. I just said that I enjoyed it. That's all.

And if that alone is enough to make me a person with "shallowness of thought, understanding, emotional capacity and most of all, maturity," well, fair enough. Since you dissect X-Men comic books on your own personal blog site, you're obviously existing on a whole different level of maturity, and I can't hope to compete. And I'm definitely not going to suggest--at least according to your whole misguided argument--that your appreciation for the crappier, more childish aspects of a medium (superhero comic books) somehow negates your opinion on all other forms of literature, which is absolutely what you're suggesting with me and cinema. No, I'm gonna take the higher road here and simply gloat.

You proved all my points for me, Devin, and you did it with all the righteous indignation of someone who NEEDS films to be deep...not for personal reasons, but for personal justifications. You made up an argument for me based on a quote I never made, you made a bunch of insulting points based on a comparison I never made, and then you lapsed back into self-pity about how persecuted you are for being smart. And you know what that means?

I WIN.

Word.

Slater, you may never have called Goonies a classic. I may have been wrong about that. But you have shitty taste in movies, a marked anti-intellectual streak and a terrible online novel.

Rethink your position as a winner. STAT.

But Capt. many of the choices are done because they hate they movie or spite-not very good reasons. There are way to many good, fun, and a few great movies out for bad reasons w/ little thought.
There isn't a legit reason to kill 2001, The Deer Hunter, The Terminator and many others.
I'd say some killers are doing well like Micah, Kitty, and Gutty-good reasons for all kills.

If you guys start callin' each other's mommas names, I'm gonna have to call for a time out.

Well, at least we aren't resorting to name calling.

If I had a LiveJournal, I would tell the entire world how sad you just made me.

Complete with graphs.

OK, Rath, you're finally making some sense. Good argument.

Agreed in large part.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That was PRICELESS!

Nice pick Rath, shit movie with a shit made up meaning behind it.

Nice kill, Nick.

It's also interesting that The Lion King, which was in production the same time Pocahontas was, ended up being a much more successful (and enjoyable) film. Disney Studios obviously didn't think it would turn out that way, since the more experienced animators were assigned to Pocahontas, with The Lion King handed to the less experienced crew.

I wonder what The Lion King would have looked like had the more experienced animators worked on it. I really like the look of that movie the way it is.

Edit to Add: Nick, nice pick. I'm glad you specified WHICH Nutty Professor movie, though truth be told if you had picked the original I wouldn't have protested. You'd kill two birds with one stone. . . but maybe I don't get the appeal of Lewis because I'm not French. . . .

The phrase you are looking for is "I was wrong." not "I may have been wrong."

Wrong on all three counts.

He was saying that he's a winner compared to you.

Or you could destroy his good name at AICN!

You sure it wasn't Harlem Nights, Nick?

Does this thread really need to degenerate into name calling?

The Nutty Proffesor series is another example of my beef with inapropriate humor in kids movies. NP2 has projectile shitting and giant gerbil butttrape. Fun for the whole family!

Are you going to keep making this same joke until I acknowledge it?

[Pats head] Good job!

I'm still trying to figure out the Cop Land destruction. Look at the four movies Stallone did prior to Cop Land. Does not compute.

Also, great choice, Nick.

By the way...

This is the best draft ever.

Nick, you think Nutty Professor was the death knell? If that's the case, then he'd been in a coma since Harlem Nights at least. That was the end to me -- the bloated unfunny vanity project that proved he was vulnerable, both creatively and at the box office, and he's never recovered.

And I think The Shining deserves to be gone so much more than 2001, which is why I, ahem, axed it.

NICK - good pick with Nutty Professor, but I believe Eddie doing terrible movie after terrible movie is what led to his downfall, not that one singular film.

ANYAWATCHIN - If my Deer Hunter kill is so illegitimate, then tell me why. I've laid down my reasons. What are yours?

Out of curiosity, do you really like the book (Shining, not 2001)?

It's not a joke. I can't believe an alleged adult spent two years of his life trolling an internet website.

I would like to address your argument against 2001, but I'm having a hard time finding anything worthwhile amongst all of the masturbation, dog vomit and other poor jokes.

Don't try and look down on me when I'm the one who came down to play on your level.

...and now only the TV miniseries "The Shining" exists. Ouch.

I'm terrified of Kubrick's Shining, incidentally. No, there's not jump scares. And I know fans of the novel will never be able to love it. I just find the slow unravelling of an unstable mind coupled with the claustrophobia of the right circumstances really, really chilling. You're not supposed to be afraid of Duvall, but afraid for her. Yeah, even Kubrick found her annoying as a person. Big deal. She's like a lot of people's wives. Mildly unappealing, common, not malevolent.

But the thing with Nutty Professor was that it was basically a really popular and, I'm assuming, profitable FAMILY movie. After seeing that green, Murphy cut out all the venom (save the poop jokes that the kids love these days).

No! Not The Shinnin'!

Two Kubricks in one round...ouch.

I guess I lose. I'll just go back to my life of happiness and making a living as a writer and mope.

Never read it, to be honest.

Nice choice, Blunt.

I didn't necessarily mean in the context of the film, just in general.

I do, think they are both great for different reasons.

Nutty Professor is the pick of the round. It was the end of Eddie Murphy as we loved him. And the start of him doing it all for the paycheck.

Deer Hunter-why kill a great Walken performance and a very, very good Deniro one too. The Russian Roulette scene is enough to keep the movie alive. Sure it has flaws like all movies. Only thing you killed would be the romance between Meryl Streep and John Cazale.

OK, whoah, wait a minute. You never read the book AND you hate the movie? What don't you like about it?

Yeah, but Cazale was in, like, a million movies. What's one fewer?

EDIT: It just hit me that it's somewhat pricktastic to be ragging on everybody else's choices, demented and sad though they be, when I'm not making any of my own which could be held up for similar scrutiny and derision. I will close my mouth.

OK, scratch that, Poxy did indeed give his reasons in the original post.

Blunt, I'm with you on this one. And almost every other "director's cut" besides Bladerunner. Turns out most of the stuff that gets cut gets cut for a reason.

The crap began with Harlem nights, the crap family movies began with Nutty professor. HEE! The fat people farted! And they're fat!

I just ask because I know a lot of people who hate the movie because it departs so much from the book.

As for me, I dig the Shining. I share Russell Lucas' opinion of the movie. It just creeps the hell out of me.

As for Anyawatchin', I think that most movies have one redeeming aspect or another, and I agree that the russian roulette scene is great. But for me, that scene isn't enough to save the movie, especially when the film is three hours long and that scene and the ones like it comprise maybe a half hour total of that runtime.

The Abyss I think is a great director's cut. Most of the rest I can take or leave, because it usually balances between good and bad additions (like, in Aliens, I love the automatic cannons scene and the one where Ripley finds out her daughter's dead, but showing the planet before they get there fucks up the pacing). The Exorcist is the only one I can think of that completely ruins the original. Not a single worthy addition. And it's made even worse in my eyes by the fact that it's the only cut of the movie available on dvd. Fuckers.

Try two weeks. And there's no such thing as credibility on an internet message board, so good luck trying to destroy mine.

Hey, at least I made an argument stronger than "all the fanboys who like this movie should be out trying to get a date." Which also applies to "2001," by the way.

Not really. You called me stupid and dragged out the troll joke while I was gone to lunch, before I ever made my first 2001 post. You made the second one after I stood up to Big Daddy Devin, as per usual. At least get your facts straight here.

Agreed on THE ABYSS. I like the T2 director's cut, if only for the scene where they remove the chip.