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post #1 of 88
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Reports have been surfacing that the UN plans to propose an idea to take control of the internet at their World Information Summit in Geneva next Wednesday. The movement is being led by countries like China, Syria and Vietnam *couch* communists *couch*. They would distribute all domain names and have full access to the control of the internet according to rumor. They would assume all power currently held by dozens of other governments and private companies.

This coming from an organization that believes free speech should only be granted as long as it is not used against them.

If this turns out to be true, then we're seriously screwed. I hope the US fights them hard on this one.

World Daily Article
Australian IT Article
Washington Times Article
post #2 of 88
This may be the first issue every Democrat, Republican, and Independent on CHUD can agree on.

Hell no to the U.N. controlling any part of the net. Don't they have more important things to do? I'm not sure but I think Africa is fucked up. There may be a few problems in the Middle East. North Korea may need attention and Taiwan and China may need a moderator.
post #3 of 88
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle...7&section=news

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LONDON (Reuters) - A controversial plan to grant governments broad controls over the Internet has stolen the spotlight of a United Nations conference on IT next week, where China and Cuba will be among its strongest supporters.
LOL, Cuba! Hay, Fidelito, Fidelito.
post #4 of 88
Of course the countries where they squander free speech want this to go ahead.

So yes I say Hell no to the UN doing this.
post #5 of 88
True...but at the same time they can surely regulate what comes through their neck of the woods.
post #6 of 88
Yeah, this is going to happen. The collapse of the internet porn industry would send the US into depression (emotional and economic).
post #7 of 88
Since Al Gore invented it, doesn't he have patent rights or something that can stop them from doing this?
post #8 of 88
That's witty. Is it the 2000 elections already?
post #9 of 88
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Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
That's witty. Is it the 2000 elections already?
Oh quit being such a poor sport. You should know Grif's brand of humor by now.


And Grif...Nice try buddy but *thumbs down*

So sorry!
post #10 of 88
Fuck the UN
post #11 of 88
Am I wrong, or is wasn't there something in the Patriot Act that allows the US government to invade your internet privacy without the need to trouble themselves over obtaining a warrant? (like they were'nt snooping around already)

And hasn't it already come to light that the US 'discourages' the common folk from using encryption software in order to keep their communications private?

On the one hand it seems that the UN wants to control the net, while on the other, the US wants to sneak it's long nose into everyone's business while proclaiming freedom and non-censorship. Both hands suck if you ask me, which of course, you won't.
post #12 of 88
The UN doesn't have any real power anyway. Even if they had marginal powers, those powers would only be enforceable if anyone actually paid them any attention. Let's not forget, the US will do what it wants to do, regardless of World consensus.
post #13 of 88
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Originally posted by Gigolo Joe
The UN doesn't have any real power anyway. Even if they had marginal powers, those powers would only be enforceable if anyone actually paid them any attention. Let's not forget, the US will do what it wants to do, regardless of World consensus.
Yes and No. In a way the UN does have power. The power of influence. Most of the worlds governing bodies listen to them, and they would do almost anything that the UN asks of them. Because of this they have power, a lot of it. And yes, the US will do what it wants to do. Currently US companies control an overwhelming majority of the internets servers, technology, and domain rights. But if we keep getting pres. candidates that get more and more liberal every four years, as we have been, then inevitably one of these people would surrender control of the net if he/she were elected. I don't believe this will be happening anytime soon, but it might become an issue in, say, 2012. Just wait and see.
post #14 of 88
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Originally posted by Evan
Yes and No. In a way the UN does have power. The power of influence. Most of the worlds governing bodies listen to them, and they would do almost anything that the UN asks of them. Because of this they have power, a lot of it. And yes, the US will do what it wants to do. Currently US companies control an overwhelming majority of the internets servers, technology, and domain rights. But if we keep getting pres. candidates that get more and more liberal every four years, as we have been, then inevitably one of these people would surrender control of the net if he/she were elected. I don't believe this will be happening anytime soon, but it might become an issue in, say, 2012. Just wait and see.
How in the world does one being liberal, and giving away internet rights connect? Sorry you lost me there.

As to the UN having influence? Well, the answer would still be no. World leaders have influence. Countries of power, of industry, have influence. Do world governments listen to the UN? Maybe to go to sleep by, but the UN having the power to influence world legislation? Hogwash. The UN is a playpen for Country leaders to cry to a world-wide audience. Nothing more. I daresay the world would keep on spinning, and countries still keep on governing as they see fit, if the UN simply ceased to exist.

Is the concept of a United Nations good? Debatable. In its current form though the UN is laughable at best.
post #15 of 88
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Originally posted by Evan
But if we keep getting pres. candidates that get more and more liberal every four years, as we have been, then inevitably one of these people would surrender control of the net if he/she were elected. I don't believe this will be happening anytime soon, but it might become an issue in, say, 2012. Just wait and see.
Let's just forget that the Patriot Act which already invades our privacy was a conservative action.

And presidents aren't getting more liberal they're getting more centrist.
post #16 of 88
Show me the portion in the Partiot Act where it says that...I need it for reference.
post #17 of 88
Some may find this amusing reading:

www.cointel.org

I haven't had the chance to read the entire site yet, but let paranoia reign, I always say! There is some stuff on the Patriot Act about halfway down the screen.God bless America.
post #18 of 88
Well in a few years I can give you a report first hand.

That and being apart of the FBI's DeathGuard or whatever it is called lately (that being the HRT) should be fun.

*note I do believe the government at large (regardless of administration) has its hands in too many things and indeed many of those being secretive.
post #19 of 88
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Originally posted by CTDeLude
Show me the portion in the Partiot Act where it says that...I need it for reference.
Where is says it invades our privacy?

Here's a lesson, DeLude - no congressman is going to pass something that says "Invades privacy". Constituents don't like that phrase.

But keep supporting it! Hey, Republican leaders think it's a good idea, so you must also!
post #20 of 88
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Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Hey, Republican leaders think it's a good idea, so you must also!
Is that true, and here I tough this bill was passed by Reps and Dems.

As a matter of fact this is the only candidate who voted against it:



Look who was there when it was signed :



Hey I didn't know some of those guys were eeeeevilll republicans!! The horror!
post #21 of 88
Thanks for proving my point Captain.
post #22 of 88
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Originally posted by CTDeLude
Show me the portion in the Partiot Act where it says that...I need it for reference.
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-962468.html

Not the actual part of the Patriot Act, but presumably the sort of thing we're talking about.
post #23 of 88
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Originally posted by Dan Whitehead
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-962468.html

Not the actual part of the Patriot Act, but presumably the sort of thing we're talking about.
Thanks for the link Dan.

You are a gentleman and a person who understands a quest for further research.
post #24 of 88
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Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Thanks for proving my point Captain.
That Bob Graham is a Republican leader?

Hum, maybe that's why he dropped out of the Dem primaries. Makes sense ....
post #25 of 88
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Originally posted by CapitanAmerica
Is that true, and here I tough this bill was passed by Reps and Dems.

As a matter of fact this is the only candidate who voted against it:


The alien has my vote. If you can't trust a face like that,who can you trust?
post #26 of 88
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Originally posted by CapitanAmerica
That Bob Graham is a Republican leader?

Hum, maybe that's why he dropped out of the Dem primaries. Makes sense ....
No, my point being that I don't care how many Democrats think it's a good idea, I choose to make up my own mind. I understand Dems voted for it. I don't give a shit. Some people don't follow the same path.
post #27 of 88
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[i] If you can't trust a face like that,who can you trust? [/B]
You know, when I edited that picture I didn't think of it that way, but not that you mention he does look very friendly E.T. type of likable alien, as opposed to an oppresive analy probing one.

Vote for Denis, the friendly Alien!
post #28 of 88
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Originally posted by CapitanAmerica
You know, when I edited that picture I didn't think of it that way, but not that you mention he does look very friendly E.T. type of likable alien, as opposed to an oppresive analy probing one.

Vote for Denis, the friendly Alien!
Well he may still give you an anal probe, but at least it would be in the cause of good government, and not merely something so trivial as intergalactic scientific curiosity, as is the motivation of most anal probes given out now.
post #29 of 88
OK, let's go back to the topic.

When they say "control the internet" what are we talking about here. When I first read about this it seemed to be an alternative to ICANN, which grants domain names.

I'm not sure how it works right now, but what does ICANN do today to grant domain names to other countries? Do they regulate this, or is this pushed down on domain controllers for those countries?
post #30 of 88
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Originally posted by Gigolo Joe
How in the world does one being liberal, and giving away internet rights connect? Sorry you lost me there.
I'm talking about the people whom I consider to be the true liberals, the ones who actually make decisions regarding this country. People like Hitlary and Kennedy. These people keep preaching about things like the inherent evilness in individualism, moving away from self governing, and the move to a more world base government (UN) rather than individual governments that decide their own laws and rules. It's this type of thinking that will eventually bring upon the end of free speech and the free flow of information. History proves that for us. Look at Germany, Italy, Russia, China, Cuba. The first step to removing outspoken thoughts, verbally or in print, was the eradication of the "individual". The same can happen to electronic forms of communication as well. All they have to do is to give the UN more power, which IS what many powerfull people in a America want to do, if they were allowed.

Just look at the UN's own thoughts on the matter of free speech. Take their Universal Declaration of Human Rights for example. They state clearly in Article 19 that freedom of speech, opinion, and expression should be allowed by any person or media, as you would expect of course. But check the fine print. Article 29, section 3. "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.". Hmmmm..... I wonder what would happen if they were in control?

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Originally posted by Gigolo Joe
As to the UN having influence? Well, the answer would still be no. World leaders have influence. Countries of power, of industry, have influence. Do world governments listen to the UN? Maybe to go to sleep by, but the UN having the power to influence world legislation? Hogwash. The UN is a playpen for Country leaders to cry to a world-wide audience. Nothing more. I daresay the world would keep on spinning, and countries still keep on governing as they see fit, if the UN simply ceased to exist.
Where have you been living if you don't think that the UN doesn't have influence or power (outside the US). Many world leaders (mostly of developing and undeveloped countries) would bow to them if asked. Although I do believe this to be the case, I do not believe that the world or any single country would stop if the UN were to no longer exist. Oh, and I too believe that they are laughable.
post #31 of 88
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Originally posted by CapitanAmerica
I'm not sure how it works right now, but what does ICANN do today to grant domain names to other countries? Do they regulate this, or is this pushed down on domain controllers for those countries?
They make the rules when it comes to issuing .com, .net, and .org addresses if I am not mistaken. And either they or VeriSign controls the distribution. I believe that there are some squabble over that issue right now. But I believe that the UN seeks to control the servers and access as well. If not now, then eventually, that's what they'd want.
post #32 of 88
Hitlary. GENIOUS.
post #33 of 88
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Originally posted by Evan

Where have you been living if you don't think that the UN doesn't have influence or power (outside the US). Many world leaders (mostly of developing and undeveloped countries) would bow to them if asked. Although I do believe this to be the case, I do not believe that the world or any single country would stop if the UN were to no longer exist. Oh, and I too believe that they are laughable.
Those same world leaders who would bow to the UN.....they would bow to Bill Gates too. Hell, I bet I could even get them to bow, if I had a couple million dollars in pocket to give to beggars like them.

OK, maybe that was kind of harsh, but the only reason any country bows to the UN, is because of aid they receive from the UN. That's not the UN having power or influence. That's the UN being a banker. Anytime a country supports a UN suggestion , it is because that suggestion serves that country's purpose, not solely because of any hypothetical influence and power of the UN.
post #34 of 88
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Originally posted by Evan
They make the rules when it comes to issuing .com, .net, and .org addresses if I am not mistaken. And either they or VeriSign controls the distribution. I believe that there are some squabble over that issue right now. But I believe that the UN seeks to control the servers and access as well. If not now, then eventually, that's what they'd want.
Yeah, but what about the .uk, .es, .country type domains. That's the one I'm not clear on.
post #35 of 88
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Originally posted by CapitanAmerica
Yeah, but what about the .uk, .es, .country type domains. That's the one I'm not clear on.
The individual countries retain those rights. The US, for example, contracted a private company to do the work, but the US owns all the rights, and chooses who to distribute .us and .kids.us to. I would assume that most other countries do the same.
post #36 of 88
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Originally posted by Evan
I'm talking about the people whom I consider to be the true liberals, the ones who actually make decisions regarding this country. People like Hitlary and Kennedy. These people keep preaching about things like the inherent evilness in individualism, moving away from self governing, and the move to a more world base government (UN) rather than individual governments that decide their own laws and rules. It's this type of thinking that will eventually bring upon the end of free speech and the free flow of information. History proves that for us. Look at Germany, Italy, Russia, China, Cuba. The first step to removing outspoken thoughts, verbally or in print, was the eradication of the "individual". The same can happen to electronic forms of communication as well. All they have to do is to give the UN more power, which IS what many powerfull people in a America want to do, if they were allowed.
The people actually making decisions regarding this country? Hmm last time I looked it was the Republican party who controls both the House and the Senate. Seems to me, the Legislative Branch and the Executive Branch are both led by Republicans. If anyone is going to be doing any changing it would be the Republicans.....who, by nature, are conservative.

Liberals.....wanting to bring an end to free speech?? Please name me one liberal who would want to bring an end to free speech. Comparing Kennedy and Hillary to the dictatorships of Russia, China, Cuba, and Italy? There is no comparison. Truely I am at a loss of words. Hillary and Hitler? Is your head on straight?
post #37 of 88
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Originally posted by Gigolo Joe
Liberals.....wanting to bring an end to free speech?? Please name me one liberal who would want to bring an end to free speech.
There are many examples of liberal and conservative politicians who would like to limit free speech. That's nothing new.
post #38 of 88
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Originally posted by Gigolo Joe
The people actually making decisions regarding this country? Hmm last time I looked it was the Republican party who controls both the House and the Senate. Seems to me, the Legislative Branch and the Executive Branch are both led by Republicans. If anyone is going to be doing any changing it would be the Republicans.....who, by nature, are conservative.
What I mean is politicians in general. They may not have ultimate power over the decisions that are made, but they do have some power in the way of influence. You can't deny that Ted Kennedy has influence, and his party is not in control.

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Originally posted by Gigolo Joe
Liberals.....wanting to bring an end to free speech?? Please name me one liberal who would want to bring an end to free speech. Comparing Kennedy and Hillary to the dictatorships of Russia, China, Cuba, and Italy? There is no comparison. Truely I am at a loss of words. Hillary and Hitler? Is your head on straight?
As I said, the end of individualism is the begining of the end for freedom of speech, and many other freedoms as well. You don't think that some current US politicians want to end individualism? hmmmm.. I think so. Here's a comparison.

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At a time when our entire country is banding together and facing down individualism, the Patriots set a wonderful example, showing us all what is possible when we work together, believe in each other, and sacrifice for the greater good
- Ted Kennedy, 2002
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We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society
- Hillary Clinton, 1993
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All our lives we fought against exalting the individual, against the elevation of the single person
- Vladimir Lenin
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Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all
- Nikita Khrushchev
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The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual
- Adolf Hitler
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There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual
- Benito Mussolini
post #39 of 88
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Originally posted by CapitanAmerica
There are many examples of liberal and conservative politicians who would like to limit free speech. That's nothing new.
I can hardly argue that fact; however, Evan is suggesting that ultra-liberals want to bring about the end of free speech, not just limit free speech.
post #40 of 88
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Originally posted by Evan
What I mean is politicians in general. They may not have ultimate power over the decisions that are made, but they do have some power in the way of influence. You can't deny that Ted Kennedy has influence, and his party is not in control.

As I said, the end of individualism is the begining of the end for freedom of speech, and many other freedoms as well. You don't think that some current US politicians want to end individualism? hmmmm.. I think so. Here's a comparison.
I am not denying that Kennedy has influence. Hell, even I have influence in our goverment. I vote. But as to how and who will be shaping our nation in the next few years? Won't be solely by Kennedy or Clinton. It will be by a conglomerate of people, elected by the people of the US. Who, last I checked, tend to run in the middle of the political landscape.

As to the comparison....nice. I suppose in the manner you presented your comparison, we could find single quotes from any person in history (alive or dead, famous or just a joe blow) and compare them to the great monsters of society.
post #41 of 88
Jesus Christ you are a fucking loon, Evan.

If you looked, you could also find many passages by GW Bush saying that we need to sacrifice for the greater good of the country. In fact, you can probably find it for every world leader ever. Few people get into power by saying "EVERY MAN FOR THEMSEVLES!!!!".

But, I'm sure you just skip over that. Your post is just rediculous sensationalism.
post #42 of 88
Compare this -

Satan - "I'll have Frosted Mini Wheats for breakfast"

to this

Ronald Reagan - "I'll have Shredded Wheat for breakfast"

DON'T YOU SEE!!! Reagan is Satan!
post #43 of 88
Is he really comparing Hillary to Mussolini and Hitler?

Wow, this is too much fun.
post #44 of 88
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Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Compare this -

Satan - "I'll have Frosted Mini Wheats for breakfast"

to this

Ronald Reagan - "I'll have Shredded Wheat for breakfast"

DON'T YOU SEE!!! Reagan is Satan!
I knew it!! I've been telling people for years that Reagan is Satan. Thanks for the proof Guttenberg!
post #45 of 88
" These people keep preaching about things like the inherent evilness in individualism, moving away from self governing, and the move to a more world base government (UN) rather than individual governments that decide their own laws and rules. It's this type of thinking that will eventually bring upon the end of free speech and the free flow of information. History proves that for us. Look at Germany, Italy, Russia, China, Cuba. The first step to removing outspoken thoughts, verbally or in print, was the eradication of the "individual". The same can happen to electronic forms of communication as well. All they have to do is to give the UN more power, which IS what many powerfull people in a America want to do, if they were allowed."

Evan, I can only imagine what sort of hideous place this country would be today if people who "think" like you do had been able to win in 1787 when the Constitution of this nation was written.

Every "idea" you have was brought up then, and has since been proven to be WRONG, STUPID, AND WRONG. Did I say wrong twice?

I mean, unless you think that the United States of America is an undemocratic hellhole that tyrranizes certain sections of the nation. But I mean, you would have to hate America to think that, right?
post #46 of 88
Also, this thread is so retarded from the moment a WorldNet article leads it off. A couple of UN member nations are going to bring a resolution up? This somehow means that it will happen?

Do you have any idea the number of things that get floated in these kinds of meetings and never go anywhere? This is like freaking out every time a junior member introduces something to the House of Representatives. Most of that shit never goes anywhere.

But please, let's not have logic and common sense get in the way of your extremism and alarmist tendencies. Please, let's have the conservatives have their moment to pretend that they support free speech any time other than when it's about campaign finance.

Let's also allow Evan to prove how such concepts as sharing and "taking one for the team" are the first volleys in an evil attempt to destroy decency. Obviously "fucking the other guy" and "looking out for myself only" are the exact notions this country was founded on. I mean, that's why the entire FUCKING REVOLUTIONARY ARMY JUST WENT HOME WHEN THEY COULDN'T SUPPLY THEM WITH BOOTS OR EVEN ANY KIND OF PAY, RIGHT? I mean, these fucking COMMUNIST REBELS GAVE UP THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL INTERESTS TO UNITE FOR A COMMON GOOD EVEN THOUGH IT HURT THEM TO DO SO. How evil!
post #47 of 88
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Originally posted by devincf
Also, this thread is so retarded from the moment a WorldNet article leads it off. A couple of UN member nations are going to bring a resolution up? This somehow means that it will happen?
No, but we can all mock the mere suggestion of it, specially coming from the likes of Cuba and China.

And what if the aritcle was linked from Worlnetwhatever, it doesn't mean it's not true.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle...7&section=news
post #48 of 88
It means the person posting it is a dope.
post #49 of 88
Like my quote below states: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Many conspiracy theorist believe there are evil people in high places plotting to take over the world and I have no doubt there are but I think the greatest threat to the world's freedom may be well intentioned but misguided people in power.
post #50 of 88
And God forbid anyone actually THINK about what's being proposed here. I'm not saying it's a good idea (it's not) but how is world control of the Internet any worse than US control of the Internet or corporate control of the Internet? Sure, if a corporation keeps you from putting something online, it's not "limiting free speech", but in practice, it's exactly the same thing... so how exactly are you promoting free speech by promoting corporate control of the Internet? You're just keeping it away from 5/6th's of the world's population.

Oh, and sure, communist nations are really pushing this. And India. And Brazil. And any number of other developing nations. So don't pretend like this is some sort of liberal plot to smash dissent.

And if you believe Hillary is anything like Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, and the rest, you truly have no grasp of history, politics, common sense, and reality. Hitler was NOT a liberal.
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