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Al Gore pisses on Joe Lieberman, gives finger to John Kerry

post #1 of 43
12/8/03 at 11:23pm
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The Democratic party seems to be split......
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post #2 of 43
12/8/03 at 11:25pm
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Nasty:



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A source close to Lieberman said Gore, who was Clinton's vice president, did not call Lieberman to inform him of the decision.
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post #3 of 43
12/8/03 at 11:34pm
He didn't need to do this to Lieberman, Dean is going to win without his support. He should have waited until Lieberman dropped out, or Dean had officially won.

I don't see what political advantage it adds to have done this at this point. He must think Dean's victory is not a sure thing.
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post #4 of 43
12/8/03 at 11:36pm
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I hear things about a struggle for power in the Democratic party between the Clintons and Gore.


Gore endorses the one guy who is in no way beholden to Bill or Hillary Clinton. Ballsy. Power struggles rock.
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post #5 of 43
12/8/03 at 11:58pm
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Originally posted by Matt Carroll
. Ballsy. Power struggles rock.
ESPECIALLY when it isn't your party of choice being split in two, I would assume...
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post #6 of 43
12/8/03 at 11:59pm
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HELL YEAH!
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post #7 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:13am
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How it plays out:



Dean easily gets the nomination. With the power at his back he (and his new pal Al) attempt to wrestle control of the party away from the Clintons and Terry McCauliffe.

Al Gore would like nothing more than to push Bill and Hill to the side.

I even heard rumblings of GORE v. CLINTON in 2008 on a talking head show earlier today.

Of course this is all predicated on the theory that Dean will be handily beaten in the general election.
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post #8 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:16am
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Originally posted by David Manning
When Dean's self-destructs, Gore's gonna end up with beard all over his face.

I don't get this move. I don't get it at all.
There's no need to get it because it ultimately means very little. After all, who has more actual say in anything policy-wise?

Joe - 1 Senator's vote
Al - 1 Citizen's vote

Joe>Al

There, the math is done for you.
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post #9 of 43
12/9/03 at 3:52am
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Originally posted by Matt Carroll
Of course this is all predicated on the theory that Dean will be handily beaten in the general election.
Not a good theory.

Dean's not a sure thing, but he sure is heck isn't going to roll over and die, either... he's feisty.

Also, I really don't see anyone, Gore, Clinton, Dean, anyone controlling the Democrats. They're simply a less centralized party than the Republicans, and have been so for a long time.
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post #10 of 43
12/9/03 at 9:19am
It sounds a lot like much of the right is really nervous about Dean and his success so far.

And that would be reason enough to support him and hope the best for his campaign, even if all his competition for the nomination weren't a pack of ineffectual weenies.
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post #11 of 43
12/9/03 at 9:42am
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But a source close to the former vice president said Gore had always intended to endorse a candidate "when he felt comfortable doing so," and that he believed this was "a moment of impact."
Or alternatively, Gore waited until it was clear who was going to win before making his oh-so-important endorsement.
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post #12 of 43
12/9/03 at 10:41am
Indeed. Gore needs to get over himself quick.
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post #13 of 43
12/9/03 at 10:58am
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Originally posted by Living Dead Milkman
It sounds a lot like much of the right is really nervous about Dean and his success so far.

As your average right-leaning guy on the ground, we really aren't. At all.

In all seriousness this will most likely be a Mondale '84 situation if Howard Dean gets the nod.


I'm just amazed that Al Gore so willingly gave the extra special shaft to his old pal Joey L.
There was a time when Al Gore was saying that Lieberman was the "best possible stand-in for Al Gore", and that "Lieberman's qualifications were perfect to be president". I know politics is a hard profession, but this is cold.
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post #14 of 43
12/9/03 at 11:16am
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Originally posted by Living Dead Milkman
It sounds a lot like much of the right is really nervous about Dean and his success so far.

And that would be reason enough to support him and hope the best for his campaign, even if all his competition for the nomination weren't a pack of ineffectual weenies.
Huh? Dean's not nearly as electable as H. R. Clinton, whom they should be running...Gore or no Gore.

Even a Conservative like me knows that. Hilary will win when she "chjumps in", as Arnold would say.

Gore was thumbing his nose at the Clintons by going to Harlem and mooning the Clintons this way.
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post #15 of 43
12/9/03 at 11:20am
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Originally posted by Dan Whitehead
Or alternatively, Gore waited until it was clear who was going to win before making his oh-so-important endorsement.
Why is making an endorsement so important? Any Gore endorsement should have been run by a consultant who, if he's worth his salt, would have said, "Please Al, stay quiet this time if the right people are not running."

I need to know what Dick Morris has to say about all this...
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post #16 of 43
12/9/03 at 11:22am
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Originally posted by LlamaRama
Not a good theory.

Dean's not a sure thing, but he sure is heck isn't going to roll over and die, either... he's feisty.

Also, I really don't see anyone, Gore, Clinton, Dean, anyone controlling the Democrats. They're simply a less centralized party than the Republicans, and have been so for a long time.
But the very moment Hilary steps in the title of "leader" will be irrevocably attached to her. Hey, it's not as if I want her running, but c'mon. That Party is in disarray. Very much like Republicans in the mid/late 90's.
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post #17 of 43
12/9/03 at 11:48am
It really is cold to leave your former running mate out in the cold. Clinton got behind Gore, why didn't Gore at least stay out of it until Lieberman dropped out?

Hillary Clinton would be a very scary candidate, because she is someone that could unify the Democratic Party to a great degree. We'll see what happens in 2008, but she's not running because she believes that Dean (or whoever) will lose to Bush.

A Clinton/Bush rematch (Hillary and Jeb) in 2008 would be a very interesting thing to see.
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post #18 of 43
12/9/03 at 11:53am
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Andrew Sullivan's take on it.
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post #19 of 43
12/9/03 at 11:56am
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Originally posted by Kronos
Why is making an endorsement so important?
From the Sullivan piece:

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As John Ellis points out, a lot. You have to remember that just because almost everyone else on the planet thinks Al Gore's political career is over, Al Gore doesn't. By endorsing Dean now, he stands to get a major job in a potential Dean administration.
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post #20 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:02pm
Sullivan flips between sensibility and idiocy, but he's quite right about the weak "centrist" wing odf the Democratic Party being under fire from within. I hope they do go down in flames. Perhaps we can finally get an alternative to Republicrat status quo.
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post #21 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:08pm
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Yes. This revolution from within has been building for a while now. But I think some in the party may be underestimating the power that Bill and Hill hold.

Gore was always much more Dean than Clinton anyway, he just ran as a centrist in 2000. I don't think that's what beat him though. He was just a lousy candidate to begin with. Now that he's lost it on the national stage as a centrist (I loath that word by the way) he figures coming out as hard lefty, like Dean, will give him the credibility he wants for a 2008 run.
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post #22 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:18pm
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Originally posted by Kronos
Why is making an endorsement so important? Any Gore endorsement should have been run by a consultant who, if he's worth his salt, would have said, "Please Al, stay quiet this time if the right people are not running."
Kinda my point. I will employ less stealthy sarcasm next time.
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post #23 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:30pm
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From The Today Show with Matt and Katie:

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Lauer: Just a week ago this is what you had to say about Al Gore, “As president I would turn to him not only for advice but see if he would be interested in holding some high office in my administration. He’s an immensely capable, principled, effective person.” Has that changed now?

Lieberman: I’d say that’s less likely this morning. [Laughter]

Lauer: A candid response. Senator Joe Lieberman, good of you to come in this morning.

Lieberman: Thank you, take care
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post #24 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:53pm
If Gore had allowed Clinton to campaign for him, he'd be president now. IMO only, I guess, but I believe that completely.

And maybe Gore's attitude about Lieberman has changed ever since Joe became a Republican. He hasn't officially changed his membership card yet, but he might as well.

IMO, again.
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post #25 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:57pm
Ok, raise your hand if you honestly thought Gore was going to endorse Lieberman.

Gimme a fucking break. The right is making more out of this than it could ever possibly warrant. Al Gore? Oooh, what a Democratic powerhouse! We were all just waiting for his endorsement before we got behind any candidate. It's like making a big deal over who Dan Quale backs...
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post #26 of 43
12/9/03 at 12:57pm
Gore and Clinton LOATHE each other....
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post #27 of 43
12/9/03 at 1:16pm
Its gonna be interesting to watch ol Al go to Harlem with Dean.
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post #28 of 43
12/9/03 at 1:45pm
That Lieberman quote from the Today Show was the only "candid" response he gave. The rest of the time there was a lot of tap dancing going on.
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post #29 of 43
12/9/03 at 2:13pm
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Originally posted by gravedigger
That Lieberman quote from the Today Show was the only "candid" response he gave. The rest of the time there was a lot of tap dancing going on.
Well, Joe's not going to use the terms shittern mogn(sp?) or sonuvabitch on the morning shows.
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post #30 of 43
12/9/03 at 5:26pm
What I like is the way people are going "Gore is only backing Dean because its clear who the winner is". Yes with absolutly zero primaries its very clear Dean is going to win. Its not like anyone can take Dean out. I mean when is the last time a democrat who wasn't well regarded and got lets say 2% support before primaries get more support as time went on. Oh thats right, Clinton.

Trust me, what this means is your going to see the other canadates take ideas from Dean and use them as their own. Dean could win, right now democrates want a clear choice between what makes them different from republicans and lets face it a Dean vs Bush would be a polorizing one or the other voting senerio rather than Gore vs Bush which seemed like both canadates had the exact same ideas on almost every issue.
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post #31 of 43
12/10/03 at 2:36am


"FU#$!!! I'm screwed." - Kerry
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post #32 of 43
12/10/03 at 11:17pm
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“I’ve seen a candidate who has what it takes to reach out to the independent, mainstream Americans who will make the difference ... particularly in the South,” Gore declared upon endorsing the Democratic contender. “He’s going to send George Bush packing and bring the Democratic Party home.”


Al Gore endorsing Michael Dukakis in 1988
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post #33 of 43
12/11/03 at 12:18am
Ouch!
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post #34 of 43
12/11/03 at 1:29am
That is one great quote.
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post #35 of 43
12/11/03 at 11:30am
So the only candidate who Gore endorsed who went on to win was Bill Clinton? It looks like this is the beginning of the end for Dean!
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post #36 of 43
12/11/03 at 11:37am
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Hell, even Clinton's endorsement record of late is terrible. Just ask Gray Davis how well that worked out.

When Al realizes he's made a terrible, terrible mistake and pleads to be let back inti Bill and Hill's good graces I wonder if Dean will have a delecious maple syrup hit put out on him....
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post #37 of 43
12/11/03 at 12:53pm








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post #38 of 43
12/11/03 at 1:20pm
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Originally posted by Matt Carroll
Hell, even Clinton's endorsement record of late is terrible.
Not in San Fran...
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post #39 of 43
12/11/03 at 1:22pm
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Come on,man. That's SAN FRANCISCO.
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post #40 of 43
12/12/03 at 2:19pm
Ted Rall's latest column is interesting... he suggests cancelling the primaries and giving that money to the *my speculation* Dean/Jeffords campaign.

Of course, Ted is a hardcore ideology-bound leftist, and he ignores the whole Gore/Clinton power struggle, but...

Not a bad idea in this independent's mind.
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post #41 of 43
12/12/03 at 2:21pm
Ted Rall is a talentless idiot.
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post #42 of 43
12/12/03 at 2:25pm
George Bush is a horrible president.

Wow, that's fun...
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post #43 of 43
12/12/03 at 2:56pm
Ted Rall lives in his mother's basement, and he can't draw.
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