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Seymour M. Hersh: will US in Iraq repeat mistakes of Vietnam?

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MOVING TARGETS
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Will the counter-insurgency plan in Iraq repeat the mistakes of Vietnam?
Issue of 2003-12-15
Posted 2003-12-08

The Bush Administration has authorized a major escalation of the Special Forces covert war in Iraq. In interviews over the past month, American officials and former officials said that the main target was a hard-core group of Baathists who are believed to be behind much of the underground insurgency against the soldiers of the United States and its allies. A new Special Forces group, designated Task Force 121, has been assembled from Army Delta Force members, Navy seals, and C.I.A. paramilitary operatives, with many additional personnel ordered to report by January. Its highest priority is the neutralization of the Baathist insurgents, by capture or assassination.

The revitalized Special Forces mission is a policy victory for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who has struggled for two years to get the military leadership to accept the strategy of what he calls “Manhunts”—a phrase that he has used both publicly and in internal Pentagon communications. Rumsfeld has had to change much of the Pentagon’s leadership to get his way. “Knocking off two regimes allows us to do extraordinary things,” a Pentagon adviser told me, referring to Afghanistan and Iraq.

One step the Pentagon took was to seek active and secret help in the war against the Iraqi insurgency from Israel, America’s closest ally in the Middle East. According to American and Israeli military and intelligence officials, Israeli commandos and intelligence units have been working closely with their American counterparts at the Special Forces training base at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and in Israel to help them prepare for operations in Iraq. Israeli commandos are expected to serve as ad-hoc advisers—again, in secret—when full-field operations begin. (Neither the Pentagon nor Israeli diplomats would comment. “No one wants to talk about this,” an Israeli official told me. “It’s incendiary. Both governments have decided at the highest level that it is in their interests to keep a low profile on U.S.-Israeli coöperation” on Iraq.) The critical issue, American and Israeli officials agree, is intelligence. There is much debate about whether targeting a large number of individuals is a practical—or politically effective—way to bring about stability in Iraq, especially given the frequent failure of American forces to obtain consistent and reliable information there.

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Woodward, Bob, Bush At War, p.303:

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Musharraf brought up an article in The New Yorker by investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, alleging that the Pentagon, with the help of an Israeli special operations unit, had contingency plans to seize Pakistan's nuclear weapons should the country become unstable.

"Seymour Hersh is a liar," Bush replied.
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Says the guy who lied about iraqi wmd.
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According to American and Israeli military and intelligence officials, Israeli commandos and intelligence units have been working closely with their American counterparts at the Special Forces training base at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and in Israel to help them prepare for operations in Iraq. Israeli commandos are expected to serve as ad-hoc advisers—again, in secret—when full-field operations begin.
Considering the nature of the enemy in this campaign, who are considerably less than enamored toward the state of Israel, surely it would be prudent to keep any Jewish involvement in Iraq a closely guarded secret?

After all, if (as we have been told) Osama bin Laden is somehow orchestrating certain elements of the opposition force, I’m quite sure that he’ll be overjoyed to hear that Israeli combatants are moving into the area. How much more motivation will his men need?
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The task force’s search for Saddam was, from the beginning, daunting. According to Scott Ritter, a former United Nations weapons inspector, it may have been fatally flawed as well. From 1994 to 1998, Ritter directed a special U.N. unit that eavesdropped on many of Saddam Hussein’s private telephone communications. “The high-profile guys around Saddam were the murafaqin, his most loyal companions, who could stand next to him carrying a gun,” Ritter told me. “But now he’s gone to a different tier—the tribes. He has released the men from his most sensitive units and let them go back to their tribes, and we don’t know where they are. The manifests of those units are gone; they’ve all been destroyed.” Ritter added, “Guys like Farouq Hijazi can deliver some of the Baath Party cells, and he knows where some of the intelligence people are. But he can’t get us into the tribal hierarchy.” The task force, in any event, has shifted its focus from the hunt for Saddam as it is increasingly distracted by the spreading guerrilla war.
Again, Hersh's article is overrun by actual events. I half expected something big to happen once I saw his article.

Same thing happened with his doomed Afghanistan invasion article, shortly after it, the Taliban fell like cookie crumbles.

Then he published a "invasion quagmire" type of article about Iraq, shortly thereafter again, Baghdad and most of Iraq fell.

And now this. One thing is for sure, expect good things to happen to the US when Hersh publishes a gloomy article. He must have some premonition abilities, misalinged, but something
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It's funny, you keep saying that these glorious things supposedly happen, because all I see are wars that are still being fought, countries that are still in disarrary, and missions of liberation...democracy...whatever...that are still very much in progress.

If Taliban fighters "crumbled" so, why are we still fighting them? Why is that country still under the control of rival warlords?
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I watched Tears of the Sun the other night with my son...and I had to explain to him the futility of what we're doing Worldwide.

It wasn't easy...
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Of course the fighting continued, but not in the scale Hersh was talking about in his other article, nor did his predictions come true. Read them, and we'll talk again.

As for his next article, I can't wait for it. Hopefully it will be about the failure to find Bin Laden. Expect mug shots of him a week after the article is printed. Here's hoping.
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