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Whither the Geneva Convention?

post #1 of 34
12/14/03 at 7:08pm
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Is it legal to be broadcasting Saddam? Isn't he a prisoner of war?
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post #2 of 34
12/14/03 at 7:20pm

Re: Whither the Geneva Convention?

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Originally posted by devincf
Is it legal to be broadcasting Saddam? Isn't he a prisoner of war?
Yes this is a breach of the convention.

However, if I were the commanding officer in charge of military operations in Iraq, and I felt that showing a captured Saddam on video might encourage a few loyalists to lay down their arms (thus preventing them from shooting at my men) - I'd show the feed and take the consequences.
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post #3 of 34
12/14/03 at 7:24pm
Of course if no video was shown, he'd be complaining that it was all BS. This guy is too predictable.
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post #4 of 34
12/14/03 at 7:26pm
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Go post pictures like a little monkey, adding nothing to some other thread.
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post #5 of 34
12/14/03 at 9:17pm
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Originally posted by devincf
Go post pictures like a little monkey, adding nothing to some other thread.
Says the troll who's always talking about grasshopers every other thread.
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post #6 of 34
12/14/03 at 10:32pm
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Haha WHAT?
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post #7 of 34
12/14/03 at 11:44pm
Devin, out of curiosity, do you already have your soundbite when or if they find any WMD or Osama. Just curious.

Btw, this is not a breach of the Geneva convention. He wasn't shown in a "humaliating or abusive" situation(s). Now, if they would've shown a tape of the 4th kicking him in a circle, then that would've been a breach.
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post #8 of 34
12/14/03 at 11:48pm
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You don't think that it's humiliating? Hell, CNN just had a soldier who was an Iraqi POW on saying how happy he was that Saddam was getting things stuffed in his mouth.

Do you have your Republican talking points on this one ready?
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post #9 of 34
12/14/03 at 11:54pm
OF course, giving him a medical checkup and oral examination is also against the Geneva convention. They should just give the guy a clean shave, a manicure and escort his ass back to the palace where the hookers will be waiting for him.
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post #10 of 34
12/14/03 at 11:58pm
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You're right, showing footage of the guy forcibly getting things shoved in his mouth was just a random thing. That wasn't intended to be humiliating.

Denying the obvious is lying.
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post #11 of 34
12/15/03 at 4:25am
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Originally posted by Nelson is testing Agrep
Devin, out of curiosity, do you already have your soundbite when or if they find any WMD or Osama. Just curious.

Btw, this is not a breach of the Geneva convention. He wasn't shown in a "humaliating or abusive" situation(s). Now, if they would've shown a tape of the 4th kicking him in a circle, then that would've been a breach.
I'm sorry but this is a breach of the Geneva Convention as his image is being used for propaganda purposes.

As I said, I don't necessarily have a problem with this particular breach as it might help to save lives - but it is a breach.
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post #12 of 34
12/15/03 at 11:09am
Who gives a shit?
A violation this small is like a parking ticket.
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post #13 of 34
12/15/03 at 11:22am
stupid double post.
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post #14 of 34
12/15/03 at 11:22am
No, it's NOT a breach of the Geneva Convention.

It is actually part of the convention (part 3, Article 30) that states prisoners of war MUST receive medical / dental care. It states that anything unnecessary is prohibited. There MUST be a through exam given to determine what, if any medical / dental treatment is necessary.

The footage released is NOT humiliating or degrading, it shows a dental exam.

Get over it.
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post #15 of 34
12/15/03 at 11:23am
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You think that footage was NOT intended to be humiliating? To show the people of the middle east Saddam brought low? Give me a break.
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post #16 of 34
12/15/03 at 11:25am
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And if it WASN'T intended for that (which every analyst and expert on every TV station agrees with), Bush has THE WORST PR people ever.
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post #17 of 34
12/15/03 at 11:28am
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Originally posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
The footage released is NOT humiliating or degrading, it shows a dental exam.
It's not the most humiliating thing they could have released, but they could just as easily have released footage of Saddam being marched to a cell, or just standing there. It's not random, they chose this clip for a reason, and you can't deny the propaganda power of seeing Saddam being prodded and probed by the US Army.

With something as momentous as this, everything that comes through official channels has been painstakingly chosen and controlled to generate a certain impact and impression. That's not leftist paranoia, just modern politics.
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post #18 of 34
12/15/03 at 11:28am
Look, if you, yourself were allowed to take the video your total hatred of this entire affair would not allow you believe anything other than what you want to believe.

NO, I do not think this was intended to be humiliating or to show Saddam brought low.

It was intended to show that he was, indeed, in our custody and that he was receiving proper health care.

I will discuss this no farther with you, because you are incapable of believing anything other than your own vitriol.
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post #19 of 34
12/15/03 at 1:18pm

Re: Whither the Geneva Convention?

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Originally posted by devincf
Isn't he a prisoner of war?
Is he really? I thought we skipped that whole "declaring war" thing.
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post #20 of 34
12/15/03 at 1:47pm
You're right, showing footage of the guy forcibly getting things shoved in his mouth was just a random thing. That wasn't intended to be humiliating.

They asked him to say "ahhhhhh" and he did. Nothing forced. And if he is getting into government vehicles I hope they check him for head lice. Hate to be the guy who had to check his ass to see if anything was hidden.
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post #21 of 34
12/15/03 at 1:49pm
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I can't figure out if you guys are not smart or just lie.
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post #22 of 34
12/15/03 at 1:50pm
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Originally posted by devincf
You're right, showing footage of the guy forcibly getting things shoved in his mouth was just a random thing. That wasn't intended to be humiliating.

Denying the obvious is lying.
When was the last time you had a physical and dental exam?

At least they didn't show some guy sticking a gloved finger up his ass and someone grabbing his jewels asking him to cough.
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post #23 of 34
12/15/03 at 2:53pm
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Originally posted by devincf
I can't figure out if you guys are not smart or just lie.
what? what the hell are you talking about? Just because someone disagrees with you they must be one or the other?

How about, maybe, YOU were wrong, or lie?
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post #24 of 34
12/15/03 at 5:37pm
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Originally posted by Dale 'Grifter' Wicker
Look, if you, yourself were allowed to take the video your total hatred of this entire affair would not allow you believe anything other than what you want to believe.

NO, I do not think this was intended to be humiliating or to show Saddam brought low.

It was intended to show that he was, indeed, in our custody and that he was receiving proper health care.
Are you seriously suggesting they released footage of this guy getting his hair checked for nits, and having his teeth examined, on a complete whim? That the *only* footage they have of him so far was this 20 second or so clip they keep showing over and over on the news?

That's ridiculous. They could've just released footage of him sitting on a chair. Dan Whitehead is right, as usual.
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post #25 of 34
12/15/03 at 5:38pm

Re: Re: Whither the Geneva Convention?

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Originally posted by muncie girl
Is he really? I thought we skipped that whole "declaring war" thing.
The rules of war apply in armed conflict whether it's officially declared or not. The last time the U.S. officially declared war was in 1942.
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post #26 of 34
12/15/03 at 5:55pm
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They could've just released footage of him sitting on a chair
To which everyone would have screamed, "aren't they supposed to give him medical care?" or some other such drivel.

You can't win.

It's not like they showed the footage of him being dragged out of a rat infested 6 foot hole. That would have been against the convention.

The original point of this thread was whether or not the currently playing footage was against the convention, as some so desperately wanted it to be. I was simply stating the obvious, it is not. The debate on why this particular loop of video is a whole different matter. I was also simply offering a suggestion as to that as well.
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post #27 of 34
12/15/03 at 5:56pm
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I'm not terribly surprised that you don't understand the politics of images and how pr people manipulate things with what info and video they release.

No one would be crying out about his medical care if we didn't see the video. I didn't see video of him getting fed and I am not claiming he is being starved.
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post #28 of 34
12/15/03 at 6:10pm
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Originally posted by Van Jones


That's ridiculous. They could've just released footage of him sitting on a chair. Dan Whitehead is right, as usual.
Yeah, how's that gonna be different from the tons of stock footage of him sitting in a chair....
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post #29 of 34
12/15/03 at 6:12pm
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Originally posted by devincf
I'm not terribly surprised that you don't understand the politics of images and how pr people manipulate things with what info and video they release.

No one would be crying out about his medical care if we didn't see the video. I didn't see video of him getting fed and I am not claiming he is being starved.
I'm not terribly surprised that you don't comprehend that not everything you disagree with is evil and wrong. Of course PR people manipulate things, that is a given, but just because they do not manipulate them in ways that appeal to you does not mean everyone is lying and they are breaking the law. You are a knee-jerk reactionist and sometimes can not separate a simple reality from your tiny "conspiracy theory" world, and it is tiresome.

As for your not claiming he is being starved, I'm surprised you haven't since you automatically assume any interrogation is "torture".
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post #30 of 34
12/15/03 at 6:15pm
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Originally posted by Nelson is testing Agrep
Yeah, how's that gonna be different from the tons of stock footage of him sitting in a chair....
The beard, for a start. If footage is needed to prove that he has been captured, something showing him behind bars or under guard would be perfectly adequate.

Footage of a doctor shoving a torch in his mouth is just yet another psy-ops tactic.
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post #31 of 34
12/15/03 at 6:17pm
The rational part of this discussion ended with AgentOrange's reply to the topic (post #2).
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post #32 of 34
12/15/03 at 6:21pm
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Originally posted by Van Jones
The beard, for a start. If footage is needed to prove that he has been captured, something showing him behind bars or under guard would be perfectly adequate.

Footage of a doctor shoving a torch in his mouth is just yet another psy-ops tactic.
Please, I've seen plenty of footage of him in a beard. Then again, the beard can also be photoshoped easily. Showing him in jail could also be deemed as humiliating (is this any way to treat the lineage of Nebuchadnezzar?). The whole situation is humilating anyway you put.
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post #33 of 34
12/15/03 at 6:32pm
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Originally posted by Nelson is testing Agrep
Please, I've seen plenty of footage of him in a beard. Then again, the beard can also be photoshoped easily. Showing him in jail could also be deemed as humiliating (is this any way to treat the lineage of Nebuchadnezzar?). The whole situation is humilating anyway you put.
Well, that's probably where the Geneva convention is supposed to step in, then.
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post #34 of 34
12/15/03 at 7:18pm
tongue depressor is humiliating?? ummmm, Oooo K
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