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THE KILL LIST, Round Ten Discussion (James Woods and the Giant Peach)

post #1 of 234
12/16/03 at 11:05am
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post #2 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:15pm
I still can't fathom thinking that Near Dark is a piece of shit. You may not like it, but still...a piece of shit it ain't.
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post #3 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:18pm
I love this draft, we have classics mowed down and hardly a word is said in its defense but a movie that someone likes just enough and hate is spewed all over to defend it. this is just great all around
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post #4 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:21pm
The classics deserve some better excuses, IMO.
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post #5 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:23pm
i'm not talking about people being up in arms about GWTW or 2001 or something like that, these are great discussions albiet but what i meant was when people kill off something purely worthless and still someone pops up to defend it with everything they have. best example i can find is clueless. now i sit on the fence with this movie but to see the amount of posts battling back one way or the other over clueless is just great stuff if you ask me
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post #6 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:38pm
Goldberg, you posted in the pictures thread.
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post #7 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:40pm
which death in venice? turns up there are two of them. though with that descrip i cant believe they even made one
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post #8 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:41pm
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Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Goldberg, you posted in the pictures thread.
I am just the coolest kid in town.

Thanks for the notice, GFC.

And Teddy, I'm picking on the 1971 Italian film.
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post #9 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:44pm
thanks i'm updating guzzlefish and was curious, though i'm not checking out either after the descrip you gave and the one on the website it just doesnt sound right, interesting, i could go on and on but it's dead so...
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post #10 of 234
12/16/03 at 12:46pm
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I'm calling you out, esse.

You've got till 120 to back up your claims with a solid argument as to why you think Near Dark is a piece of shit.

Otherwise...I kill Memento in selfish, petty revenge.
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post #11 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:11pm
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Micah kills the career of Mel AND Bruce Spence?
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post #12 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:12pm
Never saw Death in Venice, but the recent remake (Love and Death on Long Island) is quite good.

No idea why anyone would kill Mad Max, but at this point...I can't even think of anything to kill. I'll get something in there by the end of the day.
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post #13 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:13pm
"Death in Venice" is a great short story. Can't speak for the movie - never have seen it.

"Mad Max" is a dumb kill.
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post #14 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:14pm
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I love my tenth rounder. It was gonna be my first kill but I knew it would last.
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post #15 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:15pm
Micah is evil.
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post #16 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:15pm
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Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
Micah kills the career of Mel AND Bruce Spence?
Gibson's had a half-poop, half good career, so the world gets no better or worse. As for Spence.....who cares?
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post #17 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:15pm
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Originally posted by Kevin Matchstick
"Mad Max" is a dumb kill.
Unlike 2001, GWTW, Star Wars, and numberous others.

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Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
I love my tenth rounder. It was gonna be my first kill but I knew it would last.
I'm waiting in great anticipation!
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post #18 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:16pm
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Originally posted by Kevin Matchstick
"Mad Max" is a dumb kill.
Says the Funyuns fan....
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post #19 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:18pm
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Originally posted by Nick Nunziata
Micah kills the career of Mel AND Bruce Spence?
And talking pigs.
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post #20 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:34pm
and Mel Gibson now leads all actors in dead movies. We've offed 6 and his the passion of the christ isnt even out yet.

Ron Howard and Steven Spielberg are not getting any love

and if John Hughes writes another movie it will be too soon evidently.
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post #21 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:36pm
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Originally posted by Micah Robinson
Gibson's had a half-poop, half good career, so the world gets no better or worse. As for Spence.....who cares?
I'll take ten of 'Man Without a Face' just for the greatness that is 'Payback'.
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post #22 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:41pm
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Originally posted by Kevin Matchstick
"Death in Venice" is a great short story. Can't speak for the movie - never have seen it.
See, I've never read the story, but to my understanding, the movie departs a bit from the book, although the only difference I know is minor (instead of the main character being a writer, he's a composer).
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post #23 of 234
12/16/03 at 1:43pm
looks to me as depressing with no reason as Death of Ivan Illyich and that I cannot sit through so I'll defer to those who have already sat through such gloom.
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post #24 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:12pm
Mel Gibson, George Miller, the Australian film industry. Dead.
Peter Weir suffers, Joel Silver/Richard Donner suffers, Babe suffers. Plus, we are deprived of one the coolest car chases in film history. I am puzzled.
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post #25 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:13pm
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Originally posted by Dr. Sizzle
I am puzzled.
All of us here have been at one point or another during this list.
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post #26 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:14pm
Mad Max is raw and visceral. Primal cinema. Micah's worst kill.
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post #27 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:24pm
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Originally posted by Dr. Sizzle
Plus, we are deprived of one the coolest car chases in film history. I am puzzled.
How does this killing affect Ronin?
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post #28 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:31pm
Hoo-Haaa!
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post #29 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:35pm
GREAT pick, Guttenberg.
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post #30 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:37pm
GFC, I understand your hatred towards the private school dramas. What I don't understand is your specific complaint against Scent of a Woman. At the end of the film, Charlie doesn't leave the school, but he does say fuck Harvard and fuck the spoiled kids (or to be more specific, he lets Pacino do it for him).
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post #31 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:40pm
If only that movie took place five years earlier.
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post #32 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:43pm
No he doesn't. He's still going there, right? The movie was so close....Charlie was going to stand up for what he believed in and get kicked out, but then he's saved. This place left him twisting in the wind and just because they don't kick him out, he's glad to come right back. Somehow, this place is good enough to fight for? No way.
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post #33 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:49pm
Solid 10th Round choice, Kirby. Like the reasoning, too.
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post #34 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:55pm
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Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
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I'm calling you out, esse.

You've got till 120 to back up your claims with a solid argument as to why you think Near Dark is a piece of shit.

Otherwise...I kill Memento in selfish, petty revenge.
Twenty minutes left, holmes.

Can you handle the pressure?

Red wire...blue wire...green wire...yellow wire....
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post #35 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:55pm
Thanks, CC.

Some other ideas that I had:

Casino (Snooze.)
Dragonheart (Connery as a dragon, hilarious. I'm the dragon.)
The Newton Boys (Almost same reasoning as for Stone.)
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post #36 of 234
12/16/03 at 2:59pm
Yeah, I'm one of those who finds The Thin Red Line far superior to Saving Private Ryan, though I'm really shocked it lasted this long. I thought a lot more people hated that movie.
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post #37 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:06pm
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Hey, I was involved in the stupid TTRL vs. SPR arguments in the day and it was pointless. Apples and Oranges. Both films are in my collection and both films I could care if I ever see again. There are too many better war films (Full Metal Jacket, A Bridge Too Far, Kwai, Paths of Glory, A Midnight Clear, and so on...) to worry about it.

I just still think this movie's a waste of so many resources.
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post #38 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:08pm
I'm more disturbed by the slandering of Jerry Reed.
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post #39 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:12pm
Nick, good call on Ronin being the best chase ever, though i am kicking myself for not mentioning max in my list of car chases.

jason your pm box is full
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post #40 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:32pm
You MIGHT have just killed the carrer of one of the best TV creators, Rath.
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post #41 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:34pm
Thank you Nick.
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post #42 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:35pm
Yeah, I was considering killing the Buffy movie, but I don't believe Buffy the TV show gets made without Buffy the Movie.
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post #43 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:36pm
Nah, I'm not worried about that. Like I said, an idea that good would have been bound to surface eventually. And reading about what Whedon did to get the show on the air, I suspect that he would have done the same thing even if there wasn't a movie. Now, it gets into a tricky area where if Whedon didn't get the recognition and reputation as a screenwriter off the movie, he might not have had the dough to personally fund the Buffy pilot...that's the only lapse in my logic.

This last pick is really a leap of faith.
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post #44 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:36pm
you also stop SMG and Freddie Prinze Jr. from making scoobie doo and possibly procreating though
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post #45 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:37pm
Besides, the series has virtually NOTHING in common in terms of tone and humor, etc with the movie aside from the basic concept and a few bits of Slayer mythology. Plus, it doesn't fit in the chronology--i.e., no Angel.
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post #46 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:38pm
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Originally posted by Teddy KGB
you also stop SMG and Freddie Prinze Jr. from making scoobie doo and possibly procreating though
I'm okay with that.
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post #47 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:47pm
So then why kill Buffy at all?
It was a good movie. One of Pee-Wee's best roles.
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post #48 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:48pm
Because it's not a Buffy movie.
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post #49 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:49pm
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Originally posted by Rath/Brendan
Besides, the series has virtually NOTHING in common in terms of tone and humor, etc with the movie aside from the basic concept and a few bits of Slayer mythology. Plus, it doesn't fit in the chronology--i.e., no Angel.
I agree with all that. But making the show wasn't Whedon's idea. If I remember correctly, he was approached by the film's director (Kuzui?) with the show idea. Not sure he would have thought of it himself--it might just be an unproduced movie script for the rest of eternity.
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post #50 of 234
12/16/03 at 3:50pm
Hmmm. Well, then, I suck.
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