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post #1 of 9368
1/17/04 at 1:41am
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Thank Fatboy Roberts for these images:



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post #2 of 9368
1/17/04 at 1:59am
I'm not quite sure how I feel about this.

I haven't quite decided...
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post #3 of 9368
1/17/04 at 2:06am
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Well the first thing I noticed is that they fit right in with those leaked Tarkin pics, and you can clearly see, even if the image is small, that that is Hayden in the first pic, and it doesn't look at all photoshopped.

I think they're real.
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post #4 of 9368
1/17/04 at 3:01am
Appear to be from the early make-up test photo sessions and real.

Actually surprised it took this long for them to "leak" out. There were tons of test photos taken and more than a few people have seen them.

The Hayden one does seem a tad manipulated. But even if it is, it's based on an actual test photo and isn't far off.

That's ALL I can or will say.
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post #5 of 9368
1/17/04 at 3:11am
For those who haven't seen it yet:

Heavy Spoiler concept art

Birth OF A Dark Lord


Fan color job-supposedly accurate
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post #6 of 9368
1/17/04 at 3:13am
Yep. That's real, too.

The flood gates are starking to creak open, methinks.
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post #7 of 9368
1/17/04 at 3:26am
Man, the prequels SUCK.
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post #8 of 9368
1/17/04 at 3:34am
He looks a lot like the old Anakin minus the pinkness.
The Emperor looks odd to me. I never saw the old Emperor outside the movie set. Does that look weird to me because it's not on a dark set?
-Jason
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post #9 of 9368
1/17/04 at 3:37am
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Originally posted by Donald Wiskerando
Man, the prequels SUCK.
Edgy!
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post #10 of 9368
1/17/04 at 4:55am
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Originally posted by mecha superior
For those who haven't seen it yet:

Heavy Spoiler concept art

Birth OF A Dark Lord


Fan color job-supposedly accurate
Now I like that. Love the color job there.

Really love the feel of that Concept Art, feels like the OT.
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post #11 of 9368
1/17/04 at 5:52am
I still say this is hands down the best thing I've seen yet.


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post #12 of 9368
1/17/04 at 5:58am
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Originally posted by Donald Wiskerando
Man, the prequels ROCK.
Sing it.
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post #13 of 9368
1/17/04 at 6:09am
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Originally posted by Carl Cunningham
Appear to be from the early make-up test photo sessions and real.

Actually surprised it took this long for them to "leak" out. There were tons of test photos taken and more than a few people have seen them.

The Hayden one does seem a tad manipulated. But even if it is, it's based on an actual test photo and isn't far off.

That's ALL I can or will say.
Nice to see you putting out a good vibe again. I know you can't say anymore...but clear up this equation for me. If Sidious=Palpatine, then how come the images of Palpatine in Episode III do not add up to that hood reveal shot?
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post #14 of 9368
1/17/04 at 6:35am
Rumors abound that Palps is just a "projection" of Sidious' mind. Basically a dark side illusion used to decieve the Republic. Now whether a real Senator Palpatine was killed and replaced or just a made up figure (perhaps Sidious immigrated to Naboo)......?

I think it's obvious that Sidious is an ancient man (perhaps comparable to Yoda) who cultivated a persona so he could bring his personal ambitions (rule the universe) and Sith agenda (destroy the Jedi order) to fruition.
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post #15 of 9368
1/17/04 at 6:51am
The saddest thing of all when it comes to the prequels are the idiots who never realized that Palpy is Sidious. And they're out there. I know one.

As for Ani...not severe enough.
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post #16 of 9368
1/17/04 at 7:09am
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Originally posted by mecha superior
Rumors abound that Palps is just a "projection" of Sidious' mind. Basically a dark side illusion used to decieve the Republic. Now whether a real Senator Palpatine was killed and replaced or just a made up figure (perhaps Sidious immigrated to Naboo)......?

I think it's obvious that Sidious is an ancient man (perhaps comparable to Yoda) who cultivated a persona so he could bring his personal ambitions (rule the universe) and Sith agenda (destroy the Jedi order) to fruition.
I agree. Ever since I heard the name Sifo-Dyas I've thought that way.

I know it won't happen, but I think it'd be kinda neat if Lucas pulled another trick out of his hat, and Sidious and Palpatine were actually revealed to be completely seperate entities. I mean literally two different people.

Not that I really want that to happen, but it'd be out of nowhere, make people scratch their heads...nevermind...
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post #17 of 9368
1/17/04 at 7:12am
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I'm feeling a bit lazy right now, so I'll just post this up in this thread.

Highlights from Nick Gillards Hyperspace chat yesterday:
  • Nick's cameo is that of a Jedi who fights Anakin, the characters name is Nick Gillard spelled backwards, and Nick's lightsaber has a yellow blade
  • Sidious' lightsaber is not just for show
  • The duel is at least 10 minutes long, resulting in the longest duel yet, and there may not be any intercutting between it and other scenes
  • Nick said grievous, and I think it was a hint
  • Nick's favorite duel from the movie is one he can't tell us about
  • Nick used the tagline from Sleepy Hollow "Heads will role" to describe Episode 3
  • I don't know if he was really confirming this or not, but it sounded like there's double-bladed lightsabers in Episode 3
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post #18 of 9368
1/17/04 at 7:30am
This is supposed to be very accurate:





And I know it sounds stupid to those who grew up on the OT but the BIG SURPRISE----the "I am your father" of the prequels----is that the "good" chancellor is actually evil incarnate. That's the way Lucas is telling the story. You might think nods such as the camera focusing on Palpy's profile as Mace utters those lines at Qui-Gon's funeral("but which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice") are a clear give-away, but not necessarily. If one never saw EP4-6 it's a subtle cue which could be read differently depending on the viewer, and Lucas has peppered plenty of moments like that throughout.

I think EP3 is going to be cathartic in a way because Sidious will FINALLY be unleashed. No more fucking subtext in the story.

Evil hides no longer.
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post #19 of 9368
1/17/04 at 3:03pm

Re: SPOILERS: Episode 3 pics, krispy fried Anakin, and what lies beneath Sidious' hood...



They could have saved a lot of money and time on make-up by just hiring Edward Furlong.
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post #20 of 9368
1/17/04 at 6:15pm
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Originally posted by mecha superior
I still say this is hands down the best thing I've seen yet.
Yes. He looks pissed off and is that a red lightsaber in his hand?
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post #21 of 9368
1/17/04 at 6:16pm

Re: SPOILERS: Episode 3 pics, krispy fried Anakin, and what lies beneath Sidious' hood...

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Originally posted by The Farce
Is it just me or is that the most ridiculous thing in Star Wars history?
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post #22 of 9368
1/17/04 at 7:24pm
Apparently you missed Episodes I and II.
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post #23 of 9368
1/17/04 at 7:31pm
Look at his fucking eye-bags though!
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post #24 of 9368
1/17/04 at 7:32pm
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Originally posted by Adverb
Apparently you missed Episodes I and II.
V and VI as well, if he thinks that pic is ridiculous.
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post #25 of 9368
1/17/04 at 7:37pm
It just looks very rubbery.
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post #26 of 9368
1/17/04 at 7:51pm
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Originally posted by mecha superior


And I know it sounds stupid to those who grew up on the OT but the BIG SURPRISE----the "I am your father" of the prequels----is that the "good" chancellor is actually evil incarnate. That's the way Lucas is telling the story. You might think nods such as the camera focusing on Palpy's profile as Mace utters those lines at Qui-Gon's funeral("but which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice") are a clear give-away, but not necessarily. If one never saw EP4-6 it's a subtle cue which could be read differently depending on the viewer, and Lucas has peppered plenty of moments like that throughout.
I can see this from the point of view of the characters and an overall parallel theme... but I don't think anyone, no matter how unfamiliar they were with SW, would not have had it cross their mind that Sidious is Palpatine. Even if they weren't sure, it would play differently than the Vader revelation.

I actually like the way Lucas has handled it though... to me, it's not like he's trying to trick the audience into thinking maybe it's not the same guy, but he's not "revealing" it either. Saving the reveal for when the characters discover the truth should prove far more powerful... even though we know it's coming. It's a confirmation... or a catharsis, as you said.
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post #27 of 9368
1/17/04 at 8:12pm
They definitely overemphasized the red around his eyes in comparison to his ROTJ incarnation.







But it's just one of MANY makeup tests (Like those Tarkin photos a while back). It's not an official publicity shot. Keep that in mind. Who knows how many variations they did before deciding the final look...
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post #28 of 9368
1/17/04 at 8:23pm
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Originally posted by thechairmanofthebored
I can see this from the point of view of the characters and an overall parallel theme... but I don't think anyone, no matter how unfamiliar they were with SW, would not have had it cross their mind that Sidious is Palpatine.
Trust me.

They are out there.

Even those who have seen the OT

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Even if they weren't sure, it would play differently than the Vader revelation.

Of course. But it's being set up as the big revelation moment of the first 3 films, hence the comparison.
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post #29 of 9368
1/17/04 at 8:36pm
Aside from looking like a yearbook photo, the Palpatine photo is obviously just a preliminary test. I'd imagine Lucas took one at it and said, "No. He looks like Hellboy's grandfather. Take the chin off."
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post #30 of 9368
1/17/04 at 9:05pm
Hm.. finally I think I can see now what Lucas saw in Hayden. Seems as if he's indeed the right man for the helmet...

But that early Palp shot. Looks like the Creeper from the Jeepers Creepers movies. WhAT's EATing your fAtheR, lukE ?
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post #31 of 9368
1/17/04 at 9:12pm
David Palch : ...Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen!!...it's great to be here on the final night of the 'Toto in Tibet Tour'!!....Can we HEAR IT for our backstage dancers?!?...Yeeeeeeh!....Especially THIS guy with his glowy stick!!!......(under his breath)...Anakin...what are you doing??...What??!!...WHAT ARE YOU DOING, ANAKIN???....Nyaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!! (etc)

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post #32 of 9368
1/17/04 at 9:46pm
Hayden's saber is red because he's fighting a guy with a blue/gray saber rod in front of a greenscreen. Most likely it'll be blue in the movie (since it's supposed to be the one Ben gives Luke in ANH).

Re: those early Tarkin make-up tests that surfaced a while back...if they got the actor I think they got to play him, they won't need much make-up to make him look convincing.
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post #33 of 9368
1/18/04 at 3:59am
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Originally posted by Madman Mundt
Hayden's saber is red because he's fighting a guy with a blue/gray saber rod in front of a greenscreen. Most likely it'll be blue in the movie (since it's supposed to be the one Ben gives Luke in ANH).
I doubt that very much based only on the fact that the bad guys always have red. But also because that prop he's holding is not identicle to the lightsaber passed down to Luke, it's a thinner and longer handle, and the top, while similar, is actually a bit different, it's actually only a stunt prop, one of many that were made, not much detail on the handle at all, just similar enough in shape to pass for the actual prop.

And in this case, just because it looks similar to the other weapon, it doesn't mean it actually is that weapon. Anakin's lightsaber in AOTC was modeled after the one used by Vader in the classic trilogy, it's nearly identicle, save that the hilt on Vader's weapon is black at the top.

BTW, the Episode 3 webcam shows Hayden practicing some saber scenes with Nick Gillard, Hayden is weilding two weapons.
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post #34 of 9368
1/18/04 at 9:13am
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Awesome shots on the Hyperspace webcam:

Just what were Hayden and Nick practicing on the web cam? Dooku's death? Nick's cameo? Jedi Temple assualt?

I'm geussing it's a part of the Purge.

Anyway it looks like Anakin does indeed use two lightsabers,and I'm betting one of them is red:

January 15, 2004 12:42:00 - stabbing someone?
January 15, 2004 12:42:40 - Slicing across the chest
January 15, 2004 12:43:00 - holding up two lightsabers crisscrossed as if to decapitate Nick
January 15, 2004 12:44:20 - fighting Nick with two sabers
January 15, 2004 12:45:40 - swinging two sabers
January 15, 2004 12:46:00 - Holding two sabers in one hand!?
(NOTE: I think there was a question like this in Nick's Chat, about someone using multiple sabers, like more than two, Nick said it required special traiing or something...)
January 15, 2004 12:47:00 - More dueling with Nick
January 15, 2004 12:49:00 - Striking Nick down?
January 15, 2004 12:54:20 - Hayden choking stunt guy!!!

January 15, 2004 15:10:00 - Very interesting...
January 15, 2004 15:10:20 - Practicing those shadow scenes?
January 15, 2004 15:10:40 - Choking stunt guy again
January 15, 2004 15:12:00 - Multiple apponents
January 15, 2004 15:12:20 - More dueling
January 15, 2004 15:14:20 - Stabs stunt guy who has fallen on the ground
January 15, 2004 15:15:00 - Using two sabers again
January 15, 2004 15:16:20 - stabs another stunt guy on the ground
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post #35 of 9368
1/19/04 at 5:27am

Re: Re: SPOILERS: Episode 3 pics, krispy fried Anakin, and what lies beneath Sidious' hood...

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Originally posted by Gruber
Is it just me or is that the most ridiculous thing in Star Wars history?
Yeah, make-up tests are a real hoot.
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post #36 of 9368
1/19/04 at 5:00pm
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Man, the prequels SUCK.
There's always one loser that's starving for attention.

As for the makeup, I like the makeup test for Hayden. But the emperor one doesn't look right. But as has been said, it's just one of probably many makeup tests.
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post #37 of 9368
1/19/04 at 9:39pm
I think if Palpy's cheeks were sculpted down a tad, the chin bobbed off and the red de-emphasized he would look more like the Galactic cocksucker we all know and hate. And like its already been said, these are ONLY TESTS so no big dealio.
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post #38 of 9368
1/19/04 at 11:10pm
Back in reference to the staff saber, and I know this is way out there, fanboy type stuff but....what if Palps/Sidious's first "experiment" in salvaging lives by making them robotic (the Grievous people speak of) is Darth Maul, saved at the end of Ep 1. It certainly adds another level to Darth Maul's wafer thin character.

Plus, I think it would be cool. Granted, I'm an idiot.
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post #39 of 9368
1/19/04 at 11:21pm
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Originally posted by Bartleby Fink
Back in reference to the staff saber, and I know this is way out there, fanboy type stuff but....what if Palps/Sidious's first "experiment" in salvaging lives by making them robotic (the Grievous people speak of) is Darth Maul, saved at the end of Ep 1. It certainly adds another level to Darth Maul's wafer thin character.

Plus, I think it would be cool. Granted, I'm an idiot.
i guess I'm an idiot too, because that sounds like a pretty cool idea. I always wanted to see Darth Maul do a little more, but this might contradict that whole sith "rule of 2" thing.
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post #40 of 9368
1/19/04 at 11:23pm
If you are mostly robot, not working with the dark side but only using saber skills, does it?
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post #41 of 9368
1/20/04 at 3:48am
I think bisection equals death even in the Star Wars universe...unless Maul was like a starfish, and his severed halves would eventually regrow, forming two identical Darth Mauls.

Okay, the cold medicine seems to be kicking in now.
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post #42 of 9368
1/20/04 at 4:56am
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Originally posted by Madman Mundt
I think bisection equals death even in the Star Wars universe...unless Maul was like a starfish, and his severed halves would eventually regrow, forming two identical Darth Mauls.

Okay, the cold medicine seems to be kicking in now.
You're right there. The first print of TPM, showed to critics, had Darth Maul dying in one piece. The one used for general release showed Maul being vivisected in order to make it clear that He's Dead And Not Coming Back.

I would also like to take this opportunity to mention that Anakin is very very hot in Hertz's photo. To think that he used to be Jake Lloyd...
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post #43 of 9368
1/20/04 at 5:03am
That haircut is cool as fuck.
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post #44 of 9368
1/20/04 at 6:23am
There was just an issue of Star Wars Tales where Luke Skywalker kills the brain of Darth Maul. Darth Maul's brain was in a glass bacta tank all that time. It was entertaining. As far as Star Wars films go, Darth Maul has been dead since May 15th, 1999.

-Jason
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post #45 of 9368
1/20/04 at 9:43pm
Some spoiler renderings at T'Bone
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post #46 of 9368
1/20/04 at 10:42pm
Thanks for the update Mecha. Finally a big picture of the Vader Artwork. Very nice!

-Jason
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post #47 of 9368
1/20/04 at 11:15pm

Tarkin

Behold, Episode III Tarkin
LL
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post #48 of 9368
1/21/04 at 12:12am
well, it looks like Tarkin, although he looks like he's about the same age as in Ep4.
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post #49 of 9368
1/21/04 at 1:42am
According to TFN.net and Starlog a few weeks back, it sounds like Wayne Pygram, who played Scorpius in Farscape, is Tarkin. He confirmed that he's playing "a character from the original films", and judging from his mug, I'm assuming it's not Chief Chirpa.

cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image.cgi?Image=episode3/newspics/Wayne_Pygram.jpg
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post #50 of 9368
1/21/04 at 1:55am
Wayne Pygram? Good news. Love the chap. Great actor and all, and it gave him something to do while waiting for the 'Scape miniseries to start filming now. Good for him. Know if he's coming back for the March reshoots or not?
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