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post #101 of 9368
I know we've seen pictures before, but I've just got to say that I really dig Anakin's look in Episode III. Pretty badass... The emotion involved in the duel is conveyed even through this little bit of test footage. It's gonna be some intense, and likely sad, stuff. Can't wait for all the official stuff to start coming out. Episode III should be one of the best of the bunch... here's to hoping we all get lucky in this regard.
post #102 of 9368
I'm surprised there hasnt been any deployment of LucasTroops on the internet to take these away....maybe it's a plan by Lucas to hype his own movie with "leaked" footage...
post #103 of 9368
This wasn't supposed to get out. It comes from a recent European marketing gig that took place in Paris the other day. But SW fans will find a way.

They always do.
post #104 of 9368
I new I should've read in some threads first. Good god, you guys are already talking about it...lol.
post #105 of 9368
I think I already said this, but I am dying for a trailer now. This is too much excitement too early.

What did you think Shao Khan? Pretty rad eh?

-Jason
post #106 of 9368
WAY too much!!! Did you hear the final duel is going to be no less than 10 minutes long! And it's already been edited some...lol! Nick Gillard said in a chat with Hyperspace members that as of now, the duel isn't intercut with anything.... .

Plus, did you catch that shot of the light flashing over Hayden and him turning his head to the side? Some speculate that that light is actually force lightning from Sidious finishing off Mace. Natalie Portman said the fight would be "sick" meaning deep, heavy, dirty, it'll get down to the nitty-gritty. Dammit I can't wait to see that duel.

I'm also waiting for the next Hyperspace Web Doc.
post #107 of 9368
I'm liking the physicality of the work here, particularly the Obi-wan/Anakin stuff. Not just flips and jumps, we've seen plenty of those, but punches flying, kicks to the chest, elbows to the neck. Looks to be a very aggressive duel.. reminiscent of the aggressiveness in Empire. Good thing.
post #108 of 9368
/girly glee

i sooooooo cant wait for this. I love love love this. I want to see these guys kick each others ass. Screw everyone else. Just make it a 2 and a half hour saber fight.

/end girly glee
post #109 of 9368
Episode 3 is going to rock!!! who needs return of the king, when you get arrival of vader!!!!!!!!!!!
and stop doubting star wars its fun, even if it's not as magical as the original trilogy it's still better than LotR
post #110 of 9368
whoa, slow down there Steve-Dave,

I love both SW and LOTR but please dont compare them.

Never ever do. Both are great in their own right.

I'm a big a SW fanboy as the next guy but dont ever compare SW and LOTR.

ROTK was an awesome awesome film. I expect Ep3 to make me a happy fan.

LOTR did everything right that SW and Lucas hasnt. EE's, great making of's, and they always knew that those movies were FOR the fans.

I know Lucas loves SW but I doubt he has the same feelings about his material that Jackson had of LOTR.

Lucas wants to get this over with. Jackson wanted to get everything right as close as possible to make it magical.

Two different things....
post #111 of 9368
People are praising Jackson like he created LOTR when he didn't. That's number 1, SW is Lucas's original creation. Jackson delivered because it was already done for him.

Anyway, I'm expecting Ep.III to be better than all the rest. It'll be on a much more emotional level than ESB I gurantee it. Mace's death(if that lightning scene was ace's death) looks gut-wrenching yet sadistically dark. Watching all the jedi like Plo Koon, Ki-Adi Mundi, Stass Allie, Shaak Ti, Kit Fitso, etc all die like *******. It'll be so dark we'll have heart attacks while watching it.....lol.
post #112 of 9368
Jackson had the material he needed to adapt. And he did it damn well combining every aspect of filmmaking imaginable. Imagine if Lucas did LOTR. Every scene would be CGI.

Jackson did an amazing job adapting it. The books are great but for me the movies flow better than the books. Half of fucking Fellowship is just the hobbits trying to get out of the Shire. Anyhoo, Star Wars is not Lucas' original baby.

Two words: Akira Kurosawa.

Lucas just said, I want that....."IN SPACE!"

I love 'em both so I wont say anymore.

Let's get ready for Ep3!
post #113 of 9368
I guess you're right, this discussion of comparison is pointless, old, worn-out, and dumb.

Can't wait for Ep.III
post #114 of 9368
Quote:
Originally posted by Vader
Anyhoo, Star Wars is not Lucas' original baby.

Two words: Akira Kurosawa.


There really is a lot more to Star Wars than Akira Kurosawa. And Star Wars most assuredly is George Lucas' baby, in many aspects both unique and iconic.
post #115 of 9368
The combination of many things is what makes Star Wars great. The early drafts were re-tellings for The Hidden Fortress and the subsequent draft does still reflect a portion of that. But Star Wars is also Flash Gordon, and I'm sure some of you have heard people say its the modern Western. The real genius of Lucas was the idea to combine all these elements and use Joesph Campbell's works as a guideline.

-Jason
post #116 of 9368
Fuck all that, everyone knows that what makes Star Wars great is blue milk.
post #117 of 9368
My favorite still is during 2:14-----Anakin, right side of the frame, looking pissed, just about to lunge at Obi-Wan.

Quote:
Anyhoo, Star Wars is not Lucas' original baby.

Two words: Akira Kurosawa.

"a good poet borrows, a great poet steals."

-William S. Burroughs


Saturday Matinee serials

Flynn/Curtiz adventure films

Flash Gordon

Classical Hollywood

Harryhausen

Kubrick

Asimov

Herbert

E.E. Smith

Edgar Rice Burroughs

Joseph Campbell

"classical" mythology

Lord Of The Rings

C.S. Lewis

Leni Riefenstahl

Wizard Of Oz

Marvel Comics/Jack Kirby

Carlos Castaneda

Walt Disney

Sir James George Frazer

Judeo-Christian tradition

Buddhism

James Barrie

World War 2

John Ford

Richard Nixon

Vietnam

Pulp Sci-Fi magazines

The Western

Brothers Grimm

Classic fairy tales



And there are others I haven't even listed, yet it's a unique confection just the same. The genius of Lucas was putting it all together in a package capable of attracting an incredibly jaded decade. A distinctive window into his reimagination of what he loved as a child.

That's the magic.
post #118 of 9368
Nice list Mecha. Add Laurel and Hardy and you got a list that is hard to add to.

-Jason
post #119 of 9368
Palpatine IS Julius Caesar.

A man from a vast Empire comes to power through a great Civil War, is given complete rule of said Empire by the Senate, and is slain by his right hand man. Sure, there weren't any lightsabers in Rome, but the basic story arc is very similar.
post #120 of 9368
Lucas is a history buff too.
post #121 of 9368
My favorite bit on that video is the part where Anakin appears to knee Obi-Wan in the gut, then push him back. Obi-Wan staggers backwards and then cut to the shot of Anakin, glaring, just walking methodically towards him.

And an interesting moment with Mace that pretty much confirms what folks have said about where he makes his last stand.
post #122 of 9368
Quote:
Originally posted by Eid Nilbog
Palpatine IS Julius Caesar.

A man from a vast Empire comes to power through a great Civil War, is given complete rule of said Empire by the Senate, and is slain by his right hand man. Sure, there weren't any lightsabers in Rome, but the basic story arc is very similar.
There are some superficial similarities between Julius Caesar and Palpatine, but nothing beyond that.

It’s like comparing an intricate eighteenth century Swiss timepiece to a sundial.
post #123 of 9368
Yeah, he shares some similarities with Hitler as well. He’s pretty archetypal. But he isn’t a retelling of anyone. Unless Caesar, Hitler, and other power hungry men had evil magical powers. But there are shared characteristics of many famous men who have risen to power from obscurity.

-Jason
post #124 of 9368
Superficial? Archetypal? Hitler? How does Emperor Palpatine have relation to Hitler? I'd like to know which of these two you consider to be a sundial as well, because both characters are very intelligent and complex. I know it's difficult for some people, but you have to look past the magic powers and lightsabers to understand.

I know many people would like to consider Lucas' backstory of a Galactic Republic's transformation to Galactic Empire to be brilliant and original, but it isn't. Much of it is lifted from Roman History.
post #125 of 9368
Quote:
Originally posted by Eid Nilbog
Superficial? Archetypal? Hitler? How does Emperor Palpatine have relation to Hitler? I'd like to know which of these two you consider to be a sundial as well, because both characters are very intelligent and complex.
Yes, Palpatine at several points in the SW canon has:

Declared a wish to rape his mother.
Predicted his downfall.
Executed (crucified) those who persecuted him as a child.
Heartily eaten rotten food so not to embarrass his host.
Demonstrated guilt.
Admitted his own failings.
Wept before his troops.
Offered financial support to the destitute.

Etc.

Julius Caesar was the ultimate human contradiction. Palpatine is a cardboard cutout in comparison.
post #126 of 9368
The Emperor's potency is his archetypal power in the mythos. He represents a particular extreme in the story, completely defined by his nefarious actions. Palpatine's not a full bodied character, rather a manifestation of evil incarnate. It's not something relatable from a human perspective other than as a metaphorical implication that evil is much more likely to hide behind a good visage in the real world, than attack explicitly in the open. That's a realistic aspect to his character. But what makes him extremely cool in the prequels is the way he feeds his monstrous lust for power, revenge, and hatred of all things, by not just seizing power; but manipulating others into voluntarily handing power over to him. Insidious indeed.


Anakin/Vader is the evil and tragic character full of contradiction and conflicting emotions, VERY relatable to the human experience. From the good child, to the conflicted teenager, to the fallen and redeemed adult......
post #127 of 9368
Anyone have a link that works for this?

That one is password protected.

Thanks!
post #128 of 9368
Did you try the ones in my thread? They work fine.
post #129 of 9368
Got the footage, thanks.

The Finland sites no longer have it, but the other site did.
post #130 of 9368
Quote:
Anyhoo, Star Wars is not Lucas' original baby.

Two words: Akira Kurosawa.
WRONG!!! Star Wars most certainly is Lucas' original baby. He created it. Certainly he loved Kurosawa and was inspired by his work, but if you think Star Wars is not a Lucas creation, you've lost your mind. As mecha pointed out, there's a hell of a lot more than just Kurosawa that inspired Lucas to create Star Wars.
post #131 of 9368
Yes, I think we went through the list 2 days ago.
post #132 of 9368
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentOrange
Yes, Palpatine at several points in the SW canon has:

Declared a wish to rape his mother.
Predicted his downfall.
Executed (crucified) those who persecuted him as a child.
Heartily eaten rotten food so not to embarrass his host.
Demonstrated guilt.
Admitted his own failings.
Wept before his troops.
Offered financial support to the destitute.

Etc.

Julius Caesar was the ultimate human contradiction. Palpatine is a cardboard cutout in comparison.
Nor is Palpatine reputed to be "every woman's husband and every man's wife".

Now THAT would have made for some interesting prequels, methinks...
post #133 of 9368
My two favorite periods are Roman Imperial and WWII. If you ask me, Palpatine resembles Hitler far more than he does Caesar. Hitler used more political intrigue than Caesar did in his rise to power. Hitler was a manipulator and Himmler was his Vader. Caesar was a whole different animal and though he used the senate to legitimize his position, it was already won through force.

Caesar also was not a good diplomatic leader. He was a soldier and he himself knew this. He didn't have a particular social agenda and Marc Antony was not a stone cold murderer. They were warrior generals who used the gladius to attain power and women. Hitler, on the other hand, had a social agenda and Himmler carried it out with evil ferocity. Hitler manipulated the german people into giving him power through his rhetoric and then consolidated power through the destruction of the old order. He himself led the raids on the SA and disbanded them giving authority to his own elite, the SS. In these orders, you see the templates for the Jedi and the Sith more or less due to their archtypes. We have the old police force that patrolled Germany in the form of the SA. Unlike were the Jedi though, they werequite nasty at times, but they were independent of the government and layed down their own laws while working with the government, a relationship that resembles the Jedi order. The SS were very much into mysticism and found pride in ancient rituals and their warrior heritage. They were cold and efficient and I very much see the single mindedness of Vader and Maul in Himmler and Heydrich respectively. I think those who know about these men would agree for the most part. (I've studied these guys and one of the reasons I love star wars is its parallel to this era.)

Do not confuse these men. Caesar, while ruthless and cold, was not a Hitler. Caesar came to power still hoping to heal Rome, while Hitler came to power for revenge against Germany's enemies. Two very different motives separating two very different men.

........................................

As an addendum, I believe Caesar knew himself that he wasn't a good political leader. He was not a manipulator and I believe he knew he was going to be assassinated and he allowed it. Sources have claimed that he was warned. Shakespeare had this in the form of a soothsayer, but indications are that Caesar's spies told him about Brutus' plan to kill him. (as another sidenote, Brutus was NOT Caesar's right hand man. He was in fact a prominent figure of the opposing political party in Rome, the conservatives.) I think Caesar knew it would martyr him and it has. Historians, and I agree, have said that his assassination is probably the most important event of the last 2,000 years, even greater than that of Constantine making Rome christian. Caesar etched his name in history with his blood. He knew he could go no higher and decided to become Rome's greatest hero through his death.
post #134 of 9368
SW.com has the first look at the Ep 3 Clone trooper



I don't think the visors fixed, it looks like it swivels up. I'm liking the evolution to classic Storm Trooper.
post #135 of 9368
Hmmm, correct me if I'm wrong but arent those "balls" near the neck for breathing and ventilation.

Maybe we're gonna see more battles take place in desert like planets. Since they were made in Kamino, a water planet, the whole heat thing wasnt really an issue but they had to make new helmets to fit the environments.

And the visor, I imagine that is just one kind of trooper. Maybe a scout trooper of some sort. I hope we see various kinds of troopers. It'd also be cool to see how the role of the Imperial Guards will be shown. They gotta do something in this one...

edit: I just remembered that all troopers are CGI. Goddamn, Lucas.
post #136 of 9368
Hopefully if Mace is to confront Palpatine as rumours suggest then maybe it necesitates some confrontation with the Royal Guards in order to get to him.
post #137 of 9368
This may sound kind of geeky and all, but if Mace does have to deal with the red guards I think it'll be kinda cool. I think it'll have the same feeling as when Aragorn attacked the Nazgul in FOTR as they were about to grab the 'Fro. I hope in this one Mace actually does something to show uis why he's the second baddest jedi behind Yoda. I thionk what Lucas should have done is made him sort of a light side Darth Vader. You know, the bad ass that no-one will touch. A "light-side enforcer" if you will.
post #138 of 9368
/slang

Nigga, dont gotta shit, yo. Muthafucka has a dong da size of a X Wing.

/end slang

Yea, Mace is great and all but what he did to Jango looked like it took very little effort on his part.

Hopefully we can see him use his magenta saber to the xtreme!!!

Werent there rumors a while back that since the Clone Wars are going on that we would see Jedi's in their war gear? But from the looks of the "leaked" footage it seems that we're gonna see the Jedi we're used to. At least during the big duel.

Man, and I so wanted to see Yoda in some Splinter Cell get-up.
post #139 of 9368
I bet at least one of the troopers won't be all-CG...the one Temura Morrison plays. I assume they'd have to actually make an outfit for him to wear. Then again, maybe they didn't.

As far as Devin's comment that the design element of the prequels hasn't been a problem, well, he's right, but I think insinuating that the story is the weak link is silly...the prequels are written along the same lines as the originals, i.e. old movie serials wrapped up in new technology with a mythic blanket thrown over it. I still maintain that the major difference between the trilogies is the change in perspective of the viewers (i.e. they grew up).

That doesn't mean you don't have the right to hate them, of course. Hate away.
post #140 of 9368
Quote:
Originally posted by Madman Mundt
I bet at least one of the troopers won't be all-CG...the one Temura Morrison plays. I assume they'd have to actually make an outfit for him to wear. Then again, maybe they didn't.

As far as Devin's comment that the design element of the prequels hasn't been a problem, well, he's right, but I think insinuating that the story is the weak link is silly...the prequels are written along the same lines as the originals, i.e. old movie serials wrapped up in new technology with a mythic blanket thrown over it. I still maintain that the major difference between the trilogies is the change in perspective of the viewers (i.e. they grew up).

That doesn't mean you don't have the right to hate them, of course. Hate away.
I'm with you, Mundt. I'm as bewildered by the venom thrown at the prequels as I am about GW Bush's teflon coating.
post #141 of 9368
What if its just the costume shape covered in blue.
post #142 of 9368
I hope we get a movie version of the trooper with out the viser soon. Showing it with the viser one was a dumb idea.

-Jason
post #143 of 9368
Steve Sansweet confirmed that the visor on the new clone/stormtrooper was just an accessory.

More photos from the Insider issue should leak soon.
post #144 of 9368
Imagine if the first time we saw Darth Maul he was looking into his bioculars. I like the design though. I can tell where they were going with it. I wonder if thats Comander Cody. heh.

-Jason
post #145 of 9368
That visor makes me think of the AT-AT viewport. Maybe that Cloney is a pilot of one of the open-cockpit AT-ST precursors we've heard about.
post #146 of 9368
That image was in my head as well.

-Jason
post #147 of 9368
Thread Starter 

Grievous' henchmen?

http://www.starwarz.com/clonewarseu/...html#02042004a

I was reading through the latest issue of Star Wars: Republic (issue #60 btw), during this one scene Assaj Ventress is instructing these bug-like really retro looking droids which are all wearing brown Jedi-like cloaks to surround her and attack her as if they were Jedi, by the end of the scene she has destroyed all of the droids and she says "Hmm, still moving too slowly, Count Dooku's Engineers will need to update their programming."

That weapon they're using looks a bit interesting, could this be the new Seperatist weapon we've heard about (and seen) that Grievous' henchmen use? Are those Grievous' henchmen? I do recall a report that they would be wearing cloaks...

Now before you EU skeptic say anything I will have you know that Darkhorse's Randy Stradley, as well as SW.com's Pablo Higaldo and other official sources have all confirmed that elements from Episode 3 will be appearing in the EU this year and next, including in the Clone Wars toons and in the Clone Wars comics.

Also these droids I'm talking about match up 100% with a desciption of new Episode 3 baddies in the Hyperspace set diary It's all Digital Magic".

Quote:
Another visual effects challenge is when a suited opponent steps in front of Ewan. If the green tights are keyed out, then there's no corresponding image information for what's behind it -- there's no image of Ewan since the stunt performer is blocking him from the camera. Ideally, the computer-generated attacker will perfectly overlap with the live action stunt performer, and thus block Ewan from view in the same manner. Their anatomies, though, are not entirely similar.

"How thin are these guys going to be?" I ask John Knoll. Thinner than the stunt performers, he says, meaning that it may be difficult to completely fill the space occupied by the stunt guy with a CG guy. "They've got cloaks, so we can cover up some of the difference if we have to," he explains.

These digital baddies are a step above previous contenders; they're not lightsaber-fodder like battle droids and Geonosians. Not only are they tougher, but they brandish weapons that are actually effective when going against the Jedi. By storied tradition, adventures like Star Wars are filled with disposable goons, but this time, Obi-Wan definitely seems to face a challenge.
post #148 of 9368
Quote:
Originally posted by Jesse Custer: Carnivale Roustabout
I'm with you, Mundt. I'm as bewildered by the venom thrown at the prequels as I am about GW Bush's teflon coating.
Ditto
post #149 of 9368
You guys see the Cloaked Anakin from Behind the Helmet #17? Wow, I really like that picture a lot. It's my favorite so far. Knowing a lot of spoilers really helps bring that image to life.

-Jason
post #150 of 9368
Quote:
Originally posted by Jason@Star-Wars.net
You guys see the Cloaked Anakin from Behind the Helmet #17? Wow, I really like that picture a lot. It's my favorite so far. Knowing a lot of spoilers really helps bring that image to life.

-Jason
Yeah, it's basically Anakin as the angel of death.
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