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Concerns over US computer voting

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Source: BBC

I thought they'd ironed most of these problems out by now.

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Two leading American experts on computer voting have warned that the forthcoming US presidential election could be more chaotic than the last.

They told a Seattle conference that the new systems may be less reliable than those used four years ago.

The issue of voting systems came to the fore during the controversy over ballot papers in the crucial state of Florida. The question of what really counts as a vote - a clear hole in a ballot paper, or a bulge? - was hotly debated.

About 25% of the US electorate is expected to vote electronically in this year's November presidential election. This is up from around 15% in 2000.

Following the fiasco in Florida, the Bush administration passed a bill called the Help America Vote Act, aimed in part at persuading states to switch to electronic voting.

But Professor David Dill from Stanford University told the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science the switch may actually make things worse.

"The problem with electronic voting is your votes disappear into the electronic machine and there is no independent way to check that those results are valid," said Professor Dill.

"I know that I am not going to have a lot of confidence in the vote totals reported by those machines unless there is some independent polling or whatever that is consistent with that."

In recent years there has been a spate of disputes over local election results across the US involving voting machines.

There are many different models, and some provide the voter with no record of how he or she has voted - no evidence that the machine recorded the vote correctly.

Professor Ted Selker, from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told the meeting that the machines are not sufficiently secure.

He said there could and should be safeguards to prevent anyone tampering with their computer code before and after voting.

Data should be extracted from the machines after voting by someone other than the company which makes them, he continued.

Other countries, notably Brazil, he said, have introduced e-voting with appropriate safeguards and shown that it can work well.

The US needs to take similar steps, he said, if it wants to avoid chaos this time around.
post #2 of 8
These are just conceptual concerns, and as the end of the article showed, they can be addressed satisfactorily. Any standalone terminal can be observed and verified for tampering, and exit polls will only add to the security measures.
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I'm a software engineer. I do not know anyone in my field that thinks electronic voting is a good idea, expecially the way it's being done. Computers are just too easy to fool, and too hard to secure, and the fact that these things typically live on a network is a horrible, horrible idea.
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Wal-Mart Checkout – Set up a system that requires everyone who goes through the checkout at this infamous chain store vote. Granted the demographic there is pretty scary, but maybe that will frighten the rest of us into action.
That's a joke, right?

Is there any reason why pencil and paper are not acceptable? Either complete the arrow or draw a big black X in the appropriate circle. Done!
post #6 of 8
I always enjoy the notion of using a giant crayon to circle the candidate's picture. Even Florida voters would get that one.
post #7 of 8
This will greatly increase the problems inherant in the voting system by geometric proportions. There will also be an increae in the amount of time it takes people to vote, thereby creating a situation where those who are unfortunate enough to only get to the polls late will not get to vote...

And then there will be jerks like me who are going to make a stink at the voting place if I see the computers there...I intend to make a scene asking for a punch-card and being told I cannot have one. Then shall my own profile and publicity stunt begin...

I should have a choice to vote with a punch-card or by computer. And since I do not trust that the computer system is secure I wish to have a punch-card. Yes, I can vote absentee...but that's not the point.
post #8 of 8
Bumping for e-voting discussion.

EDIT: Nevermind, go here.
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