Clive Barker goes off the deep end ...

I agree


The Cenobites would rip Candyman apart


just try to make good movies Clive and nix the "vs." route

He has already signed Denzel Washington on to take over the Candyman throne.

And Doug Bradley has gained another forty pounds.

10,000 hooks vs. 1 hook???


nuff sed

The idea of a new Candyman movie is actually cool, if they treat it well and actually get the budget mentioned, but I have to admit the Pinhead Vs. Candyman thing is just silly. The chances of it happening are so minimal I really think it's a non-issue. Dimension's not letting one of their cash cows go without a LOT of money, and I don't think ultimately it'll be worth it to Clive.

Just a conjecture, of course.

But the idea of Final Destination 3-D is just fucking COOL.

Pshawww.

One swipe is all it'd take to incapacitate a Cenobite.

Then you just fuck around with their little box and make them turn into little flashes of light.

Ain't no motherfuggin demon gonna keep this black man down.

And if it does get made, at least it's, well, in the Barkian sense of the word, plausible. It wouldn't be too big of a stretch to make them collide.

Just picture this:

Pinhead looking at his reflection in the mirror and... saying Candyman 3 times...

Sounds very silly.

Calm down, Wetbones! There was a story in a magazine several months ago about a Candyman vs. Pinhead movie that was going to be directed by John Carpenter. This was when Helloween was still a possibility so I just assumed that the mag got the slasher wrong. Could this be a strange twist or rumor on that story? Fangoria doesn't say what their source was on that info. As for Candyman 4, I'd be all for it but Tony Todd said the same thing at a convention last year and in all that time I haven't heard anyone else even mention Candyman 4. Now he has added the 25 million dollar figure to the project. It's amazing that Todd is the only one with this info. Simon Bamford, who played the Butterball Cenobite, was at a convention in England recently. He said that Dimension would make four more Hellraisers and Clive Barker was in talks to write and direct Hellraiser 12 and they would all come back for the finale. That sounds about as plausible as Candyman 4 with a 25 million dollar budget! Candyman 3 was a low budget direct to video movie so who in the hell would fork over that money to get it made? It sounds like wishful thinking by actors to me.

ahahahha best idea ever.


I could have sworn I saw Clive on a featurette on one of the HR disks talking about not wanting to direct anymore. Something about him being done with it, and he wants to focus on other things. Hmm.

I think a new Candyman movie (with a decent budget and theatrical release) would be a fun flick. But I doubt it will get a theatrical release since I think the last (two?) squels were straight to video. I still think the original is one of the most interesting, unique horror movies ever made.

As far as a Cenobite vs Candyman movie goes.. I would usually be all for a crazy monster fest like this (loved FvJ looking forward to AvP) but there is something about cenobites going up against candyman that is a little .. weird? I don't know. It obviously depends on the script. But it would have to be one hell of a script.

Clive Barker should just make Tortured Souls and leave Hellraiser and Candyman to rot away. Candyman was fun, but both sequels are not worth a damn IMO. And I Hellraiser has not been good since the first two, so I think even if he did get the rights back any further Hellraiser movies would just be met with laughter, and generally ignored.

Even if this story is true, I don't see Dimension selling him the Hellraiser rights back. Wasn't the story that Weinstein and Barker ended their last conversation with a heated shouting match? And Artisan did the last Candyman movie so that would get expensive to even get the rights.

A Harry D'Amour movie involving the Order of the Gash would interest me a lot more. That final Hellraiser story involving D'Amour is set to be published in the next short story collection due in October of 2005. Barker said on the Anchor Bay DVD that it would be his last Hellraiser story and it would be up to the studio if they wanted to make a movie of it. Barker also said that he wants to do another D'Amour movie now instead of a TV series so he must still own the rights to that character. Hell, the Nightbreed vs. Cenobite Jihad comic from the early 90's was great so anything is possible.

Big Rich picked up on my little "nix" joke

barker hasn't written a decent stoy (book) since The Great and Secret Show... But hopefully he'll come good. Hellraiser 1 and Candyman 1 were awesome, Nightbreed was Ok-ish (the book was better) Imjaica and Weaveworld are two of the must-read books of the 20th century (not EXACTLY horror, not exactly not) but all his latest stuff is really bad...

I think the idea of another Candyman flick is great. I loved the first one...the second was so-so, the third was DTV garbage. But with a decent budget they could really do something great! Its a great character.


AS for Hellraiser. I really liked the last one. I was surprised, but i really did enjoy it. It was different, brought back alittle of the past. Only downside was Ashley herself, I thought she would be the best thing about the film..returning character and all. But her acting in this film sucked, Doug Bradley did his usual great job. The male lead, I can't remember his name at the moment, did real well too. Its actually has me interested in the next Hellraiser film.


I have no interest in a vs. flick of any kind.

Re: Clive Barker goes off the deep end ...

???

aren't you being a little crazy yourself?

considering harry d'amour (i probably just spelled that wrong) is supposed to meet up with the cenobites in a short story (i think). then what's wrong with this? at least Clive would actually be able to write a story that makes it work. since they're both his properties.

give the guy the benefit of the doubt. maybe some of it is bullshit.

he should've punched harvey weinstein. weinsteins got one of those faces. lol

so COLDHEART CANYON - is that the one about Hollywood? I have read that one, and did find it the best of his newer stuff, but for me it didn't quite compare to the scope and epic scale of WW and Imajica...

I'm convinced that Horror auteurs and authors are like rock bands. At some point, someone should step in to force them to walk away because no matter how great they were when they started, if you let them hang around long enough, they start to embarass themselves with cheese and crap. From Barker to Carpenter to Romero to Craven. I just keep getting my heart broke. Only the Dark Tower and a couple of other projects over the past several years keep King from being on that list as well.

I got three words for ya: READ KATHE KOJA

EOD

Let me qualify that remark: READ THE CIPHER, BAD BRAINS, or EXTREMITIES by KATHE KOJA. Also, READ POPPY Z. BRITE (DRAWING BLOOD, EXQUISITE CORPSE, WORMWOOD (OR SWAMP FOETUS), and LOST SOULS). I still like Barker, hell, I still like King, but the above listed books are salient points of horror in the last 15 years in my opinion.

EOD

I can dig what you're saying, but I still think King has some chops. Barker is working for frickin' Disney right now, but there's no denying his talent, whether or not he chooses to write horror. Check out the writers above and Joe R. Lansdale and Patrick McGrath. They don't sell a gajillion copies or anything, but they write some killer horror.
Just think, it could be worse, you could be forced to read KOONTZ!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!

EOD

How can the Candy Man mess with the Box dont it take 2 hands

GALILEE and ABARAT weren't bad


I still can't wait for Abarat 2






Clive>King

I thought Galilee was slow for about the first hundred pages but then I loved the rest of it. The civil war stuff and Maddox and his family were very interesting. I loved Abarat and the art work in that so I'm also looking forward to Abarat 2. It should be a good one because Barker wrote it twice to get it right.

I want to live in the old house in Galilee

I think you're forgetting that Barker has done (or at least authorized) this sort of thing before. No one seems to remember 'Jihad', the graphic novel Nightbreed Vs. Hellraiser death match. That one actually kicked a GREAT deal of ass. As silly as it sounds, it'd make a fantastic movie.

Also in comics, there was a Nightbreed Vs. Rawhead Rex miniseries as well.

In short, Barker has done this before, so it's no surprise. Also, considering the quality of Jihad, (done back when Barker had his own crew of 'scribes and illuminators' over at Epic) I think there's every chance he could pull a good story out of it. We don't know the nature of Candyman's power, the exact methodology of how he's able to regain the flesh and bring destruction to the living. Perhaps he escaped hell...and we all know that the Cenobites do NOT like that...