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post #1 of 14
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Hi all. I've been spending a lot of time lately catching up with horror classics from the 70s, and I was kind of impressed at the difference between titles, in terms of how they hold up. Bear in mind that I had never seen these movies before, so the whole nostalgia thing does not apply.

The main difference I saw was between two megaclassics: Halloween and TCM. The first one didn't do much for me. While I *liked* the movie, and could appreciate the craftsmanship of the direction and the performances (Donald Pleasance rocks), it just wasn't very *effective*. Tense, yes, but the moments where the tension was supposed to be explosively released by sudden violence just left me kinda cold. Overall, as I said, I liked it as a movie, but it won't be one of those movies I watch whenever I'm in the mood for Horror.

TCM was another story altogether. I liked it a lot, but more than that, it was still effective. It creeped me out when watching it for the first time, even though it's what, 30 years old? It STILL was mildly disturbing whem watching it with the commentary, fer Chrissakes.

My main question now is, why such a difference? The movies aren't so different, the amount of gore is comparable, the clothes and stuff that could date them are similar as well, etc. They're very similar animals. Why then the different levels of reaction? My guess is that Halloween, with all it's attempts to dehumanize the killer, succeeds too well and dehumanizes the violence. TCM, on the other hand, has killers which are a lot more fleshed out (heh). To me, Leatherface has a lot more character, in himself but also in his insertion in the family. The scene before the dinner scene, where they bring Grandpa downstairs, just freaked me out. The part where Leatherface kisses and caresses his Grandpa on the top of the head is key for me, as is his confusion early on at all these teens coming out of nowhere, and his deference to the Cook.

Anyone has anything they feel like adding to tihs? I'd really like to know if this experience is shared by someone else.
post #2 of 14
I feel that the praise for both HALLOWEEN and TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE has been rightfully earned ... However, for meTHE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE is much more effective in that at no time during the film do the filmakers try to steer the viewer into thinking that the murderous family is evil or wrong ... Of course, they are shown as graverobbing, crossdressing, psychotic violent killers, but the disturbing aspect is that the film feels as if it is reveling in that, and not condeming it ...

All throughtout HALLOWEEN we are reminded that Michael is evil : and ok, that's fine and all, but it's not disturbing like the family in TCM , and how ( for example ) the father is able to run the gas station and barbecue stand, interacting with the public, and in all his backwoods insanity, he blends right in to the terrifying landscape ...

HALLOWEEN is a good film, but TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE is more intense, more real, and more of a lasting experience ....
post #3 of 14
I would love to say that the original Dawn of the Dead is a timeless classic...

Classic, yes.

Timeless, well...no...

You just have to look at the wide collars, bell bottoms and cauderoy to see that.


I really contributed nothing with this post, but anyway...
post #4 of 14
Actually the amount of gore in the two movies isn't similar. Halloween has no blood whatsoever. Not a single shot. So maybe it was a bit more effective than you thought if you remember any gore.

What do you think about The Shining or The Fog?
post #5 of 14
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You're right. I didn't think about it strongly enough to realize there was no blood anywhere, I stopped the analysis at "very little". But in TCM there's also VERY little, 90% of it is on the body of Marilyn Burns at the end, and she gets off alive. But Halloween has that "hold a guy up in the air with a knife" thingy, as well as a lot more "stalking" scenes which can be disturbing. I guess that watching the two almost back to back, Myers just seems tame. After all, ALL he wants to do is kill people

The Fog I never saw, and The Shining is still as effective for me today as it was when I first saw it. But I think that's not too fair to compare it with these two, because it has a lot more supernatural elements. Still, even if you took all mystic stuff out, and just made a movie of Jack Nicholson killing people, it would be more effective than Halloween, I think. I guess I'm just not too much a fan of the faceless, emotionless killer.

Menu for today: either Jaume Balaguero's Darkness or The Omen. If it's the second one I'll let you know how it held up.
post #6 of 14
You're right there is very little in TCM as well. The Omen is a great movie but it definitely lost most of its effectiveness for me either due to age or the number of times I've seen it. I'd be interested in reading your reactions to that one.
post #7 of 14
my only thought is that there wasn't the term "P.C." in the 70's and movies of the sort went after your psyche with both barrles.



Now, today, movies tend to pull back when it reaches a point of horror.


That is why the new DotD is doing so well.....it looks at the term P.C. and shits all over it



to which I applaud
post #8 of 14
HALLOWEEN does not hold up as well as TEXAS CHAINSAW to me for the mere fact that it has been copied and ripped off literally hundreds of times. Sure there have been films that rip off CHAINSAW, but not nearly as many as HALLOWEEN. That, coupled with the fact that CHAINSAW, while not gory or even bloody for that matter, is still pretty brutal with the hell that Marilyn Burns goes through. That girl should've gotten an Academy Award for her screams alone.
post #9 of 14
i may be saying something wrong in the eyes of horror fans but i think that when we look back in 20 years a recent film will hold up nicely. That movie being "the blair witch project", mainly because of the way it was shot and the premise of the story.
post #10 of 14
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i may be saying something wrong in the eyes of horror fans but i think that when we look back in 20 years a recent film will hold up nicely. That movie being "the blair witch project", mainly because of the way it was shot and the premise of the story.

I'll agree with that for the simple fact that when people forget about the hype behind the movie its a decent flick that looks like it could be shot by anyone, the first person view helps to bring the action into your home.....I'll stop now
post #11 of 14
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Sorry for resurrecting this, but I felt like continuing the nice discussion here without opening a new thread. I just saw Night of the Living Dead today, and it's YET ANOTHER classic 30 year film I felt great watching (well, I felt miserable, but it was the *good* kind of miserable). The whole movie worked for me, from the first zombie in the graveyard to the great final scene. I guess the more classic movies I watch, the more I'm convinced I simply don't like the "slasher" genre as much. I guess to get the final proof I'd have to see something like the first Friday the 13th, so I can figure out if my problem is specifically with Halloween..
post #12 of 14
I'm not big into the slasher flicks either but if you need a test watch Maniac.
post #13 of 14
I don't really place much faith in the first F13. It's a decent flick, but way beneath HALLOWEEN in pretty much every way, and only really memorable for Betsy Palmer, the CARRIE ending and Kevin Bacon with a harpoon through his throat. The best thing about it is the Savini makeup. I prefer a couple of the later sequels, such as parts IV and VI, where they seem a lot less worried about tryng to match other flicks, and just have a little more fun with themselves.
post #14 of 14
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HALLOWEEN is a good film, but TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE is more intense, more real, and more of a lasting experience .... [/B]

I would tend to agree. As much as I love Halloween, it had less than 1/2 of the intensity of Texas Chainsaw. I was truamatized by it when I was really young and it still traumatizes me to this day. I don't mean to discredit Halloween, though. It's still way up there in the higher echelon.


EOD
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