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post #1 of 45
4/5/04 at 10:56am
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And oh my god was it awful. Not even R lee could save this miserable, trite hunk of goat dung. Seriously for all those who have seen it and recommended it please tell me what would make you think this was by any means a good film. I'm not talking about just in comparison to the original, I'm talking in general. Uh I want my 90 minutes back!!!
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post #2 of 45
4/5/04 at 11:12am
The real stars of this movie were Jennifer Beal's breasts.
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post #3 of 45
4/5/04 at 11:15am
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If I wanted breasts I'd watch porn at least I COULD enjoy that.
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post #4 of 45
4/5/04 at 11:51am
by the way Hollywood cranks out utter shit now-a-days, TCM 03 is a nice homage to the original with something different thrown in.



and at least the Rock wasn't in it...or japanese rice rockets
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post #5 of 45
4/5/04 at 12:11pm
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I don't know man...I just thought it was utter shite!!! Not scary, no atmosphere, shallow characters etc... Oh well I should have expected as much.
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post #6 of 45
4/5/04 at 1:25pm
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and Sweet Home Alabama wasn't released until 1974 so there....
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post #7 of 45
4/5/04 at 2:24pm
It was worse than any, and I do mean any of the sequels. I have no idea why anyone liked this movie. I'm glad I didn't buy the DVD. This is a good reason not to like remakes.
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post #8 of 45
4/5/04 at 2:33pm
Wow, I've finally found other people who didn't like this movie. I was so bored when I saw it in the theatre, I spent the last 1/3 of the flick in the theatre's arcade.
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post #9 of 45
4/5/04 at 2:56pm
Ech. What a wretched movie. It just goes to show how hard it really is to make a good movie about nothing but kids being killed by pyschopaths.
Way too stylized, too predictable, too eager to repulse. It had no driving narrative. My wife woke up half way through. When Biels was grabbing the kid she asked if the movie was ending. I had no idea. The movie went nowhere so it was impossible to tell. It was just a series of "shocking and gruesome" vignettes seperated by scenes of her running through the enchanted woods from "Legend". Somehow, there was no sense of urgency.
I had hopes for this after hearing some good reviews. Too bad it proved to be just as bad as I originally expected.
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post #10 of 45
4/5/04 at 3:01pm
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yeah I haven't heard any real good arguments for why people actually enjoyed this thing...


::spoiler::


Don't get me started on the whole Leatherface wearing her boyfriends face thing
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post #11 of 45
4/5/04 at 3:09pm
Leatherface was such a fucking cliche in this. A big sinister killer with a chainsaw. Hardly the bizarre retard of the original.

And I'm sorry, but even by the rules of the film, it was completely unbelievable when his arm was cleaved off. He just stood there as a panicky Biels chops the same damn spot on his meaty arm four or five times, cutting through muscle and bone.
Horsepoop!

I hereby declare this the "Bitch About TCM'03 Thread"!
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post #12 of 45
4/5/04 at 3:17pm
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ok then I wanna see someone get their leg lobbed off and then thrown up on a meathook and remain alive...let alone concious. And all that "Creepy" Nine Inch Nails looking artwork crap laying around the place was almost as inane as watching leatherface at the sewing machine. I was waiting for them to show him doing the dishes or swiffering. And where the hell was all that watercoming from in the "Furnace Room"? And Nobody can scratch into concrete with they're bloody fingernails...and the end was just a bad Blair witch rip...and ...oh nevermind.
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post #13 of 45
4/5/04 at 3:20pm
I'm pleased that others are coming out and claiming their dislike for this movie. With all the praise it was getting, I thought it was me...'cause this was one needless, dull, piece of crap. Nothing going on here.

Seems to me the few new ideas which could have been explored in a different and exciting way were glossed over. The chase through the slaughter house is a prime example. Coulda been great...

It's funny, but I'm not against remakes per se, but there are certain stories you just can't retell....PSYCHO was one, TCM was another. And to all the creatively bankrupt geniuses in Hollywood, here's some others to leave alone:

Halloween
Jaws
The Exorcist
Alien

I'll get off the soap box now
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post #14 of 45
4/5/04 at 3:35pm
Finally watched TCM 03...

TCM 2003 is about 10 times the movie the first one was, which isn’t much. And let us not mention all the putrid sequels which don't even amount to liquid shit.

I'd give it a 4.0/10

But then again I think the first one is an overrated piece of flaming crud filled with an ignorant dialogue, stupid and forgettable characters and an awesomely aggravating and annoying scene of screaming that goes on for what seems like forever and lets not forget the retarded villain/foe.
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post #15 of 45
4/5/04 at 3:59pm
You guys have to watch it again, it's a thing of beauty!!!
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post #16 of 45
4/5/04 at 4:01pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by HellSpawn
Finally watched TCM 03...

TCM 2003 is about 10 times the movie the first one was, which isn’t much. And let us not mention all the putrid sequels which don't even amount to liquid shit.

I'd give it a 4.0/10

But then again I think the first one is an overrated piece of flaming crud filled with an ignorant dialogue, stupid and forgettable characters and an awesomely aggravating and annoying scene of screaming that goes on for what seems like forever and lets not forget the retarded villain/foe.
Ok if you can't even appreciate the first TCM, especially when you consider it was released in 1973 I guess I can accept that. But, no one has yet to give any reason why 2003 is in any way redeeming. I just don't get it? Is the original TCM an amazing piece of cinema? Well no but it was brutal and unrelentless for it's time and it still maintains a low budget creep factor to this day (in my mind). This re-envisioning is just a generic slasher flick with some blood and guts thrown in for shock value...I knew I was in trouble from the opening credits mock filming of the crime scene (which as far as I know just wasn't common procedure in 1973) Oh well I was just looking for a solid argument about all the hype I heard about why this film was supposedly good. Maybe I'm just too old for these new fangled "horror flicks"
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post #17 of 45
4/5/04 at 4:58pm
1st redeeming quality:
-The real stars of this movie were Jennifer Beal's breasts. – thedudeabides

2nd redeeming quality:
-No endless screaming scene with gramps.

3rd redeeming quality:
-The teens are somewhat a little more intelligent, put the emphasis on “a little more”.

4th redeeming quality:
-The teens actually try to fight back, a little.
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post #18 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:00pm
You do know that the whole point of the piece is that Leatherface is retarded, right?
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post #19 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:03pm
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Originally posted by HellSpawn
Finally watched TCM 03...



But then again I think the first one is an overrated piece of flaming crud filled with an ignorant dialogue, stupid and forgettable characters and an awesomely aggravating and annoying scene of screaming that goes on for what seems like forever and lets not forget the retarded villain/foe.


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post #20 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:04pm
No shit, Dances...
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post #21 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:05pm
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Originally posted by Charles B
You do know that the whole point of the piece is that Leatherface is retarded, right?
Huh...really. Thanks Fett for clearing that up for me.

oh 5th redeeming quality:
-Rolling over the cop, backing up on the cop and rolling over the cop. Precious.
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post #22 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:14pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by HellSpawn
1st redeeming quality:
-The real stars of this movie were Jennifer Beal's breasts. – thedudeabides

2nd redeeming quality:
-No endless screaming scene with gramps.

3rd redeeming quality:
-The teens are somewhat a little more intelligent, put the emphasis on “a little more”.

4th redeeming quality:
-The teens actually try to fight back, a little.
1-Watch a damn porn if all you care about are breasts.
2-Screaming in a horror flick? Of all the nerve.
3-Yes by their moronic and idiotic reactions to someone blowing their brains out in the backseat, truly they were intellectuals.
4-Very little and that really doesn't redeem the film it just prolonged my agony.
5- I've seen that same damn scene elsewher I just can't place it. (anybody?)
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post #23 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:25pm
Can someone explain that Alternate Ending on the DVD?
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post #24 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:31pm
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Originally posted by BobClark
... it was completely unbelievable when his arm was cleaved off. He just stood there as a panicky Biels chops the same damn spot on his meaty arm four or five times, cutting through muscle and bone.
Horsepoop!

I agree with this one


it was like...


Girl: AARRGGHH!!!

LF: WWAAARRGGGHHH

/CHOP/

Girl: AARRGGHH!!!

LF: WWAAARRGGGHHH

/CHOP/

Girl: AARRGGHH!!!

LF: WWAAARRGGGHHH

/CHOP/

LF: WWAAARRGGGHHH
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post #25 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:35pm
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Originally posted by Dances with Chainsaws
Sorry man, still love ya though ^_^
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post #26 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:37pm
Quote:
Originally posted by HellSpawn
Sorry man, still love ya though ^_^

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post #27 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:38pm
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Originally posted by moreguinness
5- I've seen that same damn scene elsewher I just can't place it. (anybody?)
Jeepers Creepers
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post #28 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:40pm
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Originally posted by moreguinness
1-Watch a damn porn if all you care about are breasts.
2-Screaming in a horror flick? Of all the nerve.
3-Yes by their moronic and idiotic reactions to someone blowing their brains out in the backseat, truly they were intellectuals.
4-Very little and that really doesn't redeem the film it just prolonged my agony.
5- I've seen that same damn scene elsewher I just can't place it. (anybody?)
Hey, you asked what was redeeming about TCM2003, I answered. I’m not going to debate this, It's just not my cup of tea. I still gave the remake 4.0/10

5- JC "Jeepers Creepers" perhaps.
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post #29 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:41pm
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oh swell...the took it from Chester the Molester
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post #30 of 45
4/5/04 at 5:56pm
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Originally posted by BobClark
And I'm sorry, but even by the rules of the film, it was completely unbelievable when his arm was cleaved off. He just stood there as a panicky Biels chops the same damn spot on his meaty arm four or five times, cutting through muscle and bone.
Horsepoop!
It was also completely unbelievable:

-That the chain did not break when LF was trying to cut threw the metal of the tire iron the blond guy was holding. The guy could have pushed sideways with that tire iron and LF would be missing a leg.

It was also completely unbelievable:

-That right after that event, the chainsaw that would be completley dull at this point (it would not cut butter), cuts right threw the guys leg with one clean stroke. Pretty impossible.

It was also completely unbelievable:

-To wield one of the big ass chainsaw one-handed, the kick back is awesome. I'd really like to see a one-handed retard start one of those with one hand as well.

It was also completely unbelievable:
-That the girl had a revolver up her cunt. That really blew my mind
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post #31 of 45
4/5/04 at 6:32pm
TCM03 is complete shit, and a whored out one at that
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post #32 of 45
4/5/04 at 6:59pm
i just saw this too. christ, was it ever awful.

i hate the way Leatherface became just another slasher. so fucking lame.

and why the hell did Erin decide that jumping up and slapping him on the back would be a better idea than picking up his dropped chainsaw and slicing his ass apart? lame.
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post #33 of 45
4/5/04 at 8:21pm
"i hate the way Leatherface became just another slasher. so fucking lame."

He was a definite "slasher" is this remake, but he was scary in a way that Myers, Jason, and Freddy, and all the Screams(and the other teen slashers that came out after it) have not been in a LONG while.
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post #34 of 45
4/5/04 at 8:30pm
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It was also completely unbelievable:
You point out things I would never notice in 100years and they are all true for all I know (I dont claim to be a chainsaw expert)

However it's not a documentary, it's a MOVIE!

A horror movie at that, now I may be stretching it but horror flicks are not known for being "believable".
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post #35 of 45
4/5/04 at 9:59pm
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the problem with the mock-documentary account is that it's supposed to have a distinct time frame and uses references to bolster that point (albeit wrong ones in instances). The more you stray from realism the less succesful the film becomes...Why did they even bother setting this in 73?
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post #36 of 45
4/6/04 at 3:21am
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Originally posted by HellSpawn
Finally watched TCM 03...

TCM 2003 is about 10 times the movie the first one was, which isn’t much. And let us not mention all the putrid sequels which don't even amount to liquid shit.

I'd give it a 4.0/10

But then again I think the first one is an overrated piece of flaming crud filled with an ignorant dialogue, stupid and forgettable characters and an awesomely aggravating and annoying scene of screaming that goes on for what seems like forever and lets not forget the retarded villain/foe.

Crediability. Look into it.
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post #37 of 45
4/6/04 at 7:48am
I liked this LF more. In the orignal he is retarded and you feel sorry for him in a way. In this one he is just a sick. He seems smarter.

As for the alt ending. The Swat team go to the Blair meat plant and find a dead body and thing its Thomas Sawyer. But its not the Real Tom just walked out
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post #38 of 45
4/6/04 at 8:15am
I found it a (pleasingly) hokey but fun take on the story that doesn't cop out or try and outsmart the original.

And also a superbly made picture.

Look at foywonder's column for pictures that are truly "pieces of shit". Inepty so.

It's funny, people are so quick to definitvely label pictures that don't live up to expectations as "pieces of shit" and you know, that's understandable to a point - I get frustrated at the lack of The Things and Nightmare On Elm Streets nowadays. But is must feel terrible as a horror fan to experience wave after wave of what you determine as excruciating toss. If you love films, can you find nothing redeemable ? Because, you know, a lot of people feel the same way about some of your favourite classics. I guess it's all justified by "it's just my opinion", and I can't argue with that.

Personally I just try and look for the best in a picture, whatever its faults or lack of - thre's always something there. Because, you know, no one's actually forcing you to go see it, so you can't bitch too hard about wanting your 2 hours back. You made the choice, afterall. I think most people here are savvy enough about marketing spiel too.

At the most uncharitable I could say TCM '03 was a mediocre, but effectively over the top redux of a genre benchmark.

I stand by the fact that it was technically wonderful, though. and I also happen to think it was a great exploitation picture.
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post #39 of 45
4/6/04 at 8:45am
I just wanted to point out, in response to an earlier comment, that Leatherface in fact DOES the dishes in the original.
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post #40 of 45
4/6/04 at 9:08am
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Originally posted by General Zod
Crediability. Look into it.
Credibility.

DEF – Worthiness of belief; that quality in a witness which renders his evidence worthy of belief. (Black's, p. 330)

Crédibilité (vraisemblance, véracité)

DEF – Qualité de l'information comptable qui fait qu'elle mérite d'être crue, d'autant plus qu'un expert indépendant en a attesté la fidélité ou la plausibilité.

Dictionary. Look into it.

Dictionary.

DEF – A comprehensive collection of lexical items, usually in alphabetical order, with definitions, equivalents or other types of linguistic information.

Dictionnaire.

DEF – Répertoire, unilingue ou multilingue, d'unités lexicales présentées dans un ordre alphabétique ou systématique, et comportant des informations de nature fonctionnelle, sémantique, ou référentielle.
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post #41 of 45
4/6/04 at 10:06am
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Originally posted by JessFranco!
I loved it, myself. The original is possibly my favorite movie (next to Halloweem), but I still thought the new one was a minor modern classic.
You have good taste in films. TCM'03 is one of my favorite as well.
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post #42 of 45
4/6/04 at 10:08am
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Originally posted by Chowyunfrag




A horror movie at that, now I may be stretching it but horror flicks are not known for being "believable".
Horror flicks are not known for bring realistic. The good ones are known for being believable.

When a film is poorly made (like this one) I find the unbelievable moments stand out like a sore thumb. I'm much more forgiving of unbelievable moments if I'm actually enjoying the film.
Case in point- Dawn of The Dead (04).

I found TCM'03 to be an artless dirge. The slick production design prevented me from enjoying it even on a camp level.
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post #43 of 45
4/6/04 at 11:47am
I'll stand up for this flick, love it and have the DVD in constant play.

There's no point in me saying WHY I love it cos that's not going to change the mind of those who despise it.

And yes, I prefer it to the original. Not saying the original's terrible, it's just really not that good at all.
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post #44 of 45
4/6/04 at 11:54am
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ok I understand that some people really dig this film, but I just don't understand why. I guess I'm simply disappointed after all the hype. Oh well...
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post #45 of 45
4/28/04 at 8:54am
I liked it, and I violently opposed a remake of the original, I hate remakes of good movies, since its usually fine the first time. Its not a deep movie, its a thrill ride, and that doesn't work for everyone. As a ride this was nice.
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