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Odd/silly things in the original Dawn

post #1 of 29
4/6/04 at 10:21am
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Hey all!

I was just wondering, has anyone while watching Dawn seen something while watching it and gone "What?".

I mean for example, I have always wondered why Roger after he gets given the bottle of whisky to drink asks Steven who is tuning the TV set what the time is when he has a watch on his wrist.

Or why Peter says to Roger that there are no zombies on the second floor of the mall, yet they turn everything on in the mall thus bringing the zombies up onto the second floor with the escalator, thus making a problem for themselves.

Anyway it just gets me thinking sometimes. If you got any other movies that make you wonder why the characters did something or said something, do add them as well!!!

Thanks,

Rauri
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post #2 of 29
4/6/04 at 11:13am
If you wanna talk "what " moments then I think I gotta go with the biker checking his blood pressure.
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post #3 of 29
4/6/04 at 11:37am
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Originally posted by soultaker
If you wanna talk "what " moments then I think I gotta go with the biker checking his blood pressure.
Yeah, I never got that either. The first time I can understand, they're all doing crazy shit. But the second time?

"Hey all my buddies are either being torn apart by zombies or shot by some ass-crazy sniper. There's zombies all around. This is a total clusterfuck. I wonder what my blood pressure is?"
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post #4 of 29
4/6/04 at 11:47am
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Hey I never did get that one either!!!

One thing that always gets to me is why didn't Peter and Steven stay with Fran in their well hidden hiding place and wait till the bikers left. The bikers would not have found them because they didn't know anything about the fake wall. If they had just waited for them to leave, they could have had things better. I mean they already had so much up there anyway and by the looks of all those boxes of emergancy food they had plenty of food to eat too. Why leave it and get killed?

I know it is only a movie but still, just something I always think!

Rauri
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post #5 of 29
4/6/04 at 11:54am
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Originally posted by Rauri
Hey I never did get that one either!!!

One thing that always gets to me is why didn't Peter and Steven stay with Fran in their well hidden hiding place and wait till the bikers left. The bikers would not have found them because they didn't know anything about the fake wall. If they had just waited for them to leave, they could have had things better. I mean they already had so much up there anyway and by the looks of all those boxes of emergancy food they had plenty of food to eat too. Why leave it and get killed?

I know it is only a movie but still, just something I always think!

Rauri
They actually sort of explained this. The whole theme of the original Dawn is to show how greed will ultimately kill people. Peter tells Steven that the bikers aren't interested in them, only the stuff in the place. I forget right now if he makes some comment or not, but I definately got the feeling that he started shooting at the bikers because that was "our stuff".
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post #6 of 29
4/6/04 at 12:05pm
I always thought that the blood pressure biker was just there for a bit of humor.

Also, I think Steven does say something to the affect of, "It's ours. We took it!" before he starts shooting.
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post #7 of 29
4/6/04 at 12:06pm
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Hey that is true!

Funny thing is Steven pretty much screwed everything up, nearly even fired a gun at Fran when she was being attacked by that zombie and fired a gun at Peter when they were at that small airport place. So the thing is, I never did like Steven, I, from the minute he comes on screen, just knew I didn't like him and that he was pretty much an asshole. So it didn't suprise me when he went all gun-ho at the end and screwed everything up!

Dumb Steven!!!

Rauri
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post #8 of 29
4/6/04 at 12:15pm
I love when they first get to the mall, they look in through the skylight on the roof, and there's this big musical sting and the scene cuts to... ONE ZOMBIE WALKING AROUND THE MALL.
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post #9 of 29
4/6/04 at 12:32pm
And with the hunting rifles they could have sniped all of the zombies on the exterior of the mall. Then they could have welded shut all of the exit shut and welded all the windows except for one entrance/exit. And they could have fortified that only entrance exit.

They could have done a shit load of stuff, but I guess that would have been too smart or logical.
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post #10 of 29
4/6/04 at 12:33pm
I love when the bikers are spying on the mall, and Tom Savini whips out his switchblade-comb thingy, and the other biker goes, "Is that a comb?"
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post #11 of 29
4/6/04 at 2:41pm
"It wasn't one of those things that nearly blew me away."
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post #12 of 29
4/6/04 at 2:52pm
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Originally posted by Rauri
Hey I never did get that one either!!!

One thing that always gets to me is why didn't Peter and Steven stay with Fran in their well hidden hiding place and wait till the bikers left. The bikers would not have found them because they didn't know anything about the fake wall. If they had just waited for them to leave, they could have had things better. I mean they already had so much up there anyway and by the looks of all those boxes of emergancy food they had plenty of food to eat too. Why leave it and get killed?

I know it is only a movie but still, just something I always think!

Rauri
They wanted to lock up the stores...they left them unlocked. When the bikers came the original idea was to close up the shops...and just wait. Till Steven done fucked up.
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post #13 of 29
4/6/04 at 2:55pm
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Originally posted by HellSpawn
And with the hunting rifles they could have sniped all of the zombies on the exterior of the mall. Then they could have welded shut all of the exit shut and welded all the windows except for one entrance/exit. And they could have fortified that only entrance exit.

They could have done a shit load of stuff, but I guess that would have been too smart or logical.
Man, the new DOTD totally cornered the market on welding scenes. George would have vetoed that very quickly. If they had thought of every possible security measure, there would have been no dramatic arc, no human error, nothing worth watching the flick for over and over again (as Dude and I have done).

What I love most about all of the Romero Dead movies is that they have fairly selfish, less-than-genius-level people in them. People make stupid mistakes. That's what I also like about the new movie. They all seem to think that finding an island somewhere will solve the zombie plague. They are mistaken. Multi-demensional characters with faults make for good movies.
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post #14 of 29
4/6/04 at 3:39pm
I also love the biker taking the television.

"Hey man what the hell you gonna watch on that thing?"

"Ehh..."
*smash*
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post #15 of 29
4/6/04 at 4:13pm
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Originally posted by HellSpawn
And with the hunting rifles they could have sniped all of the zombies on the exterior of the mall. Then they could have welded shut all of the exit shut and welded all the windows except for one entrance/exit. And they could have fortified that only entrance exit.

They could have done a shit load of stuff, but I guess that would have been too smart or logical.
Just how many bullets do you think they had in that little hunting shop? Sniping all the zombies would have been a waste of ammo. There would always be more to take their place. Plus, they needed to save the ammo in case of some kind of emergency. Something like, oh I don't know,... a marauding band of bikers, maybe.
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post #16 of 29
4/6/04 at 4:27pm
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Originally posted by BobClark
Just how many bullets do you think they had in that little hunting shop? Sniping all the zombies would have been a waste of ammo.
It seems like there is a lot of ammo, plus probably bows and crossbows. You just try to keep them at a minimum, then you go out push them with a pole or something while your buddy puts an axe in their brain then, you pile up the corpses and burn them, just like in Omega man.

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Originally posted by BobClark
There would always be more to take their place.
Maybe. Dig a big hole, draw them in, and burn them. Zombies are dim-witted, slow moving automatons, there is about 100 ways to deal with them. Spear them threw the head for God sakes.

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Originally posted by BobClark
Plus, they needed to save the ammo in case of some kind of emergency. Something like, oh I don't know,... a marauding band of bikers, maybe.
Just forget about the bikers, if all the entrances would have been secured, and you fenced in the only remaining entrance, the bikers would have been trapped and no real challenge.

Or just let them in and hide. Wait until they are gone, then make a sweep to be sure that no zombie got in, and refortify the place.
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post #17 of 29
4/6/04 at 4:38pm
This is just like in DotD, The “military” complex is surrounded by a chain link fence and they don't want to waste their bullets killing zombies, I can understand that.

Just make/build some spears. Then you can just kill them threw the chain link fence.

After they are all dead (again), just dig a moat around the complex, 5 feet wide 15 feet deep and when zombies come around to the complex they fall in, then you spear them in the head and burn them. Eh voila a secure complex, easy has 1, 2, and 3.

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post #18 of 29
4/6/04 at 4:41pm
Sounds like some pretty unneccesary and dangerous work when the mall is already fortified enough. They lost one guy just moving a few trucks. How many more do they risk running out there with poles and digging holes in the pavement?
Welding the doors shut wouldn't have kept the bikers out. They would have broken in somehow. Plus, the more you fortify the place, the more inclined they are to look around for any secret caches. Of course that point is moot since Fly Boy drew attention to themselves anyway. Stupid Fly Boy!
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post #19 of 29
4/6/04 at 4:52pm
Yeah well, you think someone like Peter, a swat officer, would have more of a tactical, strategic mind.

I also have to add.... Bad flyboy...

I’m really looking forward to seeing the Dawn of the Dead 2004.
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post #20 of 29
4/6/04 at 4:54pm
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Originally posted by BobClark
Sounds like some pretty unneccesary and dangerous work when the mall is already fortified enough. They lost one guy just moving a few trucks.
That's why you snipe most of the zombies before you go down there to fortify the place.

Then you execute the stragglers.
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post #21 of 29
4/6/04 at 4:55pm
Flyboy's first in line. He can dig his own hole.
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post #22 of 29
4/6/04 at 4:59pm
damnit


I watched this a second time and I still don't remember it


I dun went and got awl retarded like
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post #23 of 29
4/7/04 at 1:45am
"It looks like a... a shopping center, one of those big indoor malls!"
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post #24 of 29
4/7/04 at 3:30am
I never understood in "Day" why Sarah didn't want them to fill up the gas in the helicopter. Seemed kind of stupid to me.
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post #25 of 29
4/7/04 at 6:48am
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Some good points people!!! Yeah I do know this topic is kinda silly but I think it is just fun to go deeper into a movie than you really should, you know, look at it from a different angels. I mean yeah, if they didn't fuck up then at the end there would have been no action with the bikers but I love thinking about how they could have saved their skins and have saved Roger.

Rauri
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post #26 of 29
4/7/04 at 7:27am
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Originally posted by Gruber
"It looks like a... a shopping center, one of those big indoor malls!"
"Power's not off in this area...could be nuclear..."
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post #27 of 29
4/7/04 at 7:30am
When they moved the trucks in front of the entrances, why did they leave the wires taped together?

You figure, if someone is brave/stupid /crazy enough to try to get into the mall, they'd have no problem hopping into the truck and try to move it.

In the Dawn 144 minute Festival Cut, there is even a scene where the bikers go into one of the trucks and say, "Shit, it's still taped up!"

They just move the trucks away.

Roger and Peter, while safe in the trucks after blocking the entrances really should have just snipped and removed a section of the wires.

That way, there would have been no way to hot wire the trucks again.
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post #28 of 29
4/7/04 at 12:11pm
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Originally posted by soultaker
If you wanna talk "what " moments then I think I gotta go with the biker checking his blood pressure.
But at the same time, this is one of my favourite moments of the film, as I feel it highlights the true horror behind the concept of (slow-moving) zombies.

They don't really hunt you or chase you, no, they get you when you fuck up. And you ALWAYS FUCK UP.

I frequently have dreams where I have something really important to do and go to do it, but instead find myself doing something else instead. I know it's not the thing to do, and I hate doing it, but I do it all the same.

That's what's so great about that moment - it's easily the most stupid course of action possible, and the fact that the biker actually does it that gives it that true nightmarish quality.

And not to start up the argument again (snicker) - that is why I <3 slow zombies and h8 DOTD2004 fast ones. The new guys get you regardless of what you're doing. They're faster than you, they're stronger than you. The horror comes from noise and movement, not from some vague internal psychological fear/desire of screwing up. And while that's kind of scary at a basic level, it just can't compare with the originals, IMO.
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post #29 of 29
4/7/04 at 3:00pm
Roger and Peter could've taken a little bit more time and positioned the trucks right against the mall doors. That way they wouldn't have to look at the zombies.
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