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post #1 of 48
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I've been a huge nay-sayer from when AvP was first mooted with Anderson as director, but since it was greenlit and shooting began, my hopes have swung about 180 degrees...Should this film fail two of my favourite franchises will be flushed down the pan. I actually find myself rooting for him to succeed; something 10 months ago I would not of invisaged!

Then the official website opened...with cool preproduction artwork like:













...and then we get this little featurette about the making of the creatures...

http://avp-movie.com/trailers/featurette2/

...from the guys at Amalgamated Dynamics (hock...spit!)...actually cancel that sputum (something I also used to add when talking about Anderson)...But MAYBE they have the ability to make this work.


...Or am I clutching at straws?
post #2 of 48
I think those pictures are cool, and that the movie has a chance. That's it. I refuse to let any story about the director or whatever raise or lower my expectation. From what I could see so far, it has some potential for coolness. We'll see. In any case, there is no way this side of a Catwoman cameo that I won't be there opening night. Fuck, man, we're talking ALIENS. And. PREDATORS.
post #3 of 48
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Originally posted by Astromarine
I think those pictures are cool, and that the movie has a chance. That's it. I refuse to let any story about the director or whatever raise or lower my expectation. From what I could see so far, it has some potential for coolness. We'll see. In any case, there is no way this side of a Catwoman cameo that I won't be there opening night. Fuck, man, we're talking ALIENS. And. PREDATORS.
I hope it works, i like Event Horizon and Reident Evil a bit but i love the two franchises
post #4 of 48
I am one of the very few (in fact, only as far as I am aware) who thought Anderson could do a decent job with this. I am the only one who gave him a chance. And I can't tell you how intensely satisfying it is to see people who used to be SO against him slowly turning around, and in fact I feel like I have the right to be a lil smug about it


Resident Evil was a good action movie. It should have been more horror, but hey, it was action orientated and on that fron it works well.


I am willing to bet that by the time this film hits, my views will have been validated and all the Anti-Anderson crap started by Knowles will have been all but forgotten.
post #5 of 48
When I heard the premise of the film, I thought to myself that's the perfect setup for these two creatures to meet...but that's what I said about Freddy vs. Jason and looked how that turned out . But I'm keeping a open mind, i just hope Predator kicks some ALien asses...and maybe some humans along the way.
post #6 of 48
I never had a hatred of Anderson, and I don't get the hate he gets in the fan community.

I think he'll do a good job with this movie.

Anderson makes popcorn action movies, and he makes them fairly well.

Soldier is a good fun movie.

Resident Evil is a moving action movie with zombies.

The guy's not really as bad a director as he's made out to be.
post #7 of 48
Production artwork and storyboards are just fine. They don't say anything about the movie, which is going to be made or broken for me on those little unimportant things like plot and character.

You know, those two concepts that haven't really existed in any form in Anderson's films thus far.

Still, I'm not gonna pronounce it shit just yet. Time will tell.

I've HATED his films up to this point, but you never know.
post #8 of 48
My excitment for this just grows and grows.

I liked RE enough, and Mortal Kombat. I like parts of Event Horizon (which makes me wonder what would happen if you watch it back to back with the Black Hole. That's an idea for one of you filmmaking guys. Edit together the best scenes from both and make one single good film) but not the whole. I never saw Solider. I see no reason to write Anderson off.

And I would love a framed print of the ship with the penguins.
post #9 of 48
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I never really HATED the guy, mainly because in the past he's made films I've had little or no interest in (with the exception of 'Soldier').
Now he's taking two popular franchises, films with a HUGE fanbase, films that I love, and combining them; which could be the death of both...I'm not sure if I admire him for his balls, or despise him for his arrogance...either way, I'm really pulling for this to work...
Let's face it, any future film from either franchise, rides on this being somewhat of a hit...and I'd like more of both!

Don't let this be another 'Jason vs. Freddy' !!!
post #10 of 48
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Originally posted by Shatner's Bassoon
Don't let this be another 'Jason vs. Freddy' !!!
Most of the problems with Freddy vs Jason came from the way they had to engineer a way to get them together - and by its nature it was contrived and used up way too much screentime on a dumb plot.

The beauty of Aliens and Predators is that they're species, not singular characters, and neither of the franchises thus far has given their origins any attention. They're both races of extra-terrestrial monster, and there's no reason why they can't co-exist. You don't even need any exposition to set that up. The fact that Predators are hunters who choose the worthiest foe, and the Aliens are perfect killing machines just makes it even easier. It's downright logical that they'd clash.

Of course, the logic of them doing so on Earth in a pyramid can be debated, but narratively the combination of both franchises leaves the way completely clear for them to overlap, meaning more time can be spent on the action.

I don't think AvP will be a great movie, but I reckon it'll be a solid popcorn monster flick and I'll be happy enough with that. Neither franchise has been anything more than that since the mid-80s anyway.
post #11 of 48
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Originally posted by Dan Whitehead


I don't think AvP will be a great movie, but I reckon it'll be a solid popcorn monster flick and I'll be happy enough with that. Neither franchise has been anything more than that since the mid-80s anyway.
Depends how you define popcorn-flick.

Predator 2 was.
Alien 3 wasn't.
Alien Resurrection was.

...or maybe that's just me.
post #12 of 48
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Originally posted by thedudeabides
Resident Evil is a moving action movie with zombies.
I continue to maintain that there were no zombies in this movie. Of course, I had to leave the theater for a minute and a half to blow my nose, so I may have missed them. I just find it hard to believe that a Resident Evil movie would only have zombies in ONE SCENE.

Heh heh. Laughable, man.
post #13 of 48
When we saw DAWN OF THE DEAD, my housemate stepped outside with me and we both turned to each other and said 'That was the movie RESIDENT EVIL should've been.'

I haven't liked a movie Anderson's made so far at all, but this might be okay. As long as one of those penguins gets chestbursted.
post #14 of 48
The penguin-predator-alien hybrid is one of the Big Twists, actually.
post #15 of 48
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Originally posted by Dan Whitehead
The penguin-predator-alien hybrid is one of the Big Twists, actually.
April Fools day was last week.

cause you're joking, right?
post #16 of 48
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Originally posted by Shatner's Bassoon
Depends how you define popcorn-flick.

Predator 2 was.
Alien 3 wasn't.
Alien Resurrection was.

...or maybe that's just me.
Alien3 wasn't a popcorn flick, true, and if they'd left Fincher to get on with it, I'd say it might have been up there with Alien and Aliens. But they didn't, and it wasn't. It's a shame they didn't keep up the artistry and depth of the Alien franchise, but if people are going to complain about Anderson dumbing down either franchise, my point is that they were dumbed down already, by Fox, long before AvP was even thought of. And if that's the level we have to work on to get these beasts back on the screen then I'm OK with that.
post #17 of 48
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Originally posted by Shatner's Bassoon
I never really HATED the guy, mainly because in the past he's made films I've had little or no interest in (with the exception of 'Soldier').
Now he's taking two popular franchises, films with a HUGE fanbase, films that I love, and combining them; which could be the death of both...I'm not sure if I admire him for his balls, or despise him for his arrogance...either way, I'm really pulling for this to work...
Let's face it, any future film from either franchise, rides on this being somewhat of a hit...and I'd like more of both!

Don't let this be another 'Jason vs. Freddy' !!!
Come on. If fox said to you, "hey do you wanna write and direct AVP" would YOU turn it down? Quite frankly, I would find it hard to believe anyone here who says they would say no.

And I think Alien 3 was far from a pop corn movie. I am going on
record stating that I think 3 is a masterpiece and joint favourite with Aliens in my book.
post #18 of 48
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Originally posted by Gus Bjork
cause you're joking, right?
You wish.

...waits for Penguin Hybrid To Be Played By Peter Weller story to appear on AICN...
post #19 of 48
And quite frankly, I like Alien Resurrection, and while I realise that it was just a dumb popcorn movie on any level, the fact that it delt with cloning and the issue of cloning at a time when it is so relevant at least lends it a smidgen more depth than most popcorn sci fi actioners, IMO.
post #20 of 48
The penguin-alien hybrid was okay for the first half of the script, but I thought the scene where it incubated a screaming, tear-stricken Lance Henrickson between its legs while cooing softly was pushing the boundaries of good taste a bit.
post #21 of 48
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Originally posted by Fireflyfan
And quite frankly, I like Alien Resurrection, and while I realise that it was just a dumb popcorn movie on any level, the fact that it delt with cloning and the issue of cloning at a time when it is so relevant at least lends it a smidgen more depth than most popcorn sci fi actioners, IMO.
It used cloning as a contrived way to get Weaver back in the series. Mentioning something isn't the same as dealing with it.

The repercussions of her revival were tossed away in the one scene where she sees the previous attempts. Other than that, it was an excuse to undermine the ending of Alien3 and give Ripley "cool" powers (that she hardly used).

Boys From Brazil, it ain't.
post #22 of 48
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Originally posted by Dan Whitehead
The penguin-predator-alien hybrid is one of the Big Twists, actually.
...of course, his big mistake was making them fly!

Have you seen the orca-predator-alien hybrids?
It has its own spin-off franchise called 'Free Bollocks'


First mate: There's some weird fish a'swimmin' off the port beam!

Captain: (looking through binoculars) Oh, that's Bollocks...
post #23 of 48
I still don't understand the hate for Alien 3. Resurection had its moments, pretty much every scene with Brad Douriff. But AvsP is a labor of love for Anderson much like GDT and Hellboy. I think it will be good. I'm one person that actually likes P2 better than P1.

The only movie of Andersons I didn't like on first viewing was Resident Evil. I never played the game and I felt the whole zombie thing tacked on. I have seen it again lately and I enjoyed it alot more. Event Horizon was excellent. Soilder was fun and Mortal Combat was excellent for the time.
post #24 of 48
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The penguin-alien hybrid was okay for the first half of the script, but I thought the scene where it incubated a screaming, tear-stricken Lance Henrickson between its legs while cooing softly was pushing the boundaries of good taste a bit.
Artistic license, man. I mean, who are we to tie the hands of an auteur like Anderson?
post #25 of 48
The penguins didn't build the pyramids, did they?

Of course, how much do we really know about penguins?
post #26 of 48
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Originally posted by Altar
I still don't understand the hate for Alien 3. Resurection had its moments, pretty much every scene with Brad Douriff. But AvsP is a labor of love for Anderson much like GDT and Hellboy.
Didn't Joss Whedon say much the same thing before 'Alien Resurrection' came out?
post #27 of 48
I just watched that featurette.

Those are some seriously bad-ass puppets!!!

Ironically those were my grandfather's last words too.
post #28 of 48
It looks promising to say the least.

I loved RE & Event Horizon, so I’ll probably be satisfied with this one as well.
post #29 of 48
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Originally posted by Gus Bjork
I just watched that featurette.

Those are some seriously bad-ass puppets!!!

Ironically those were my grandfather's last words too.
Is he the guy who pegged it at the initial 'Meet the Feebles' screening?
The man's a legend!!.. (at least it says he is on the MtF DVD cover)
post #30 of 48
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Originally posted by Shatner's Bassoon
Is he the guy who pegged it at the initial 'Meet the Feebles' screening?
No, this was about 40 years ago, while he was seeing a saucy puppet show in an Omaha whorehouse.

Speaking of Meet the Feebles, can some one direct me to where I can purchase a copy of this?
post #31 of 48
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Originally posted by Gus Bjork
No, this was about 40 years ago, while he was seeing a saucy puppet show in Omaha whorehouse.

What?....No grainy black-and-white footage?
post #32 of 48
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Originally posted by Shatner's Bassoon
What?....No grainy black-and-white footage?
No, no cameras. But every year, on the anniversary of his death, a crippled old whore with a weathered and battered Mae West marionette travels by Greyhound from Omaha to Minneapolis. In the Fort Snelling Veterans cemetery she lays a single red rose on my grandfather's grave. She'll tell you the story of his death if you ask.
post #33 of 48
i'm just gonna leave myself open for this

but they did do a nice job on the artwork
post #34 of 48
Problem with PA is he spins all this positive shit you want to hear then his movies come out and there garbage..

I for one LOVE Mortal Kombat and its still one of the best american made martial art films (Fighting wise)...

However there are 10,000 other guys in this world I would have picked before PA.

I am not in the "he is making it so it gonna suck" category. I am in the "god damnit why him" category.
post #35 of 48
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Originally posted by Altar
The only movie of Andersons I didn't like on first viewing was Resident Evil. I never played the game and I felt the whole zombie thing tacked on. I have seen it again lately and I enjoyed it alot more.
Now see, I played the game, and anyone who played the game can tell you that RESIDENT EVIL = FRICKIN' ZOMBIES. Having the zombies feel tacked on is like saying that the vampires didn't feel like they belonged in Blade. Didn't belong?!? They're the whole frickin' point! (I'm not yelling at you, Altar -- this is for Anderson.) People shouldn't walk out of a damn RESIDENT EVIL movie and say, "Pretty good, but why'd they have to add zombies? The games are all about killer computers, I take it?" But like I said, there weren't any zombies in Resident Evil, and I will maintain that until my dying day. (Please don't try to talk me out of it -- a fella's got to sleep at night...)
post #36 of 48
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Originally posted by Gus Bjork
No, no cameras. But every year, on the anniversary of his death, a crippled old whore with a weathered and battered Mae West marionette travels by Greyhound from Omaha to Minneapolis. In the Fort Snelling Veterans cemetery she lays a single red rose on my grandfather's grave. She'll tell you the story of his death if you ask.
"...And then he was eaten by a Pengualien. Well, I gotta get back on the road. See ya next year, Junior!"

I'm gonna feel like such a heel if this story's true...
post #37 of 48
People, let's not forget, RE2 is scribed by Anderson and it's looking pretty damned tasty.
post #38 of 48
I like Anderson so I think it has a fair chance but I'm hugely skeptical as such a big fan of Alien, Aliens and Predator. The rest of them are forgettable hopefully.

Dan beat me to the Penguin joke damn.
post #39 of 48
Art looks great.

The shot of the icebreaker coming in with the dark skies reminds me greatly of The Thing.

Shot of the girl with the spear stabbing the tied up queen has a nice look to it, and reminds me of something I can only vaguely remember. Will be nice to see it in action if they keep that hazy atmosphere effect though.

Shot of the predator with the alien head on his spear should alleviate some pg-13 worries. I really don't see them doing it with no real gore.

The rest of the hieroglyphics are very nice, as is the surreal pic of the Predator with his TOTEMIC STAFF and the big carriers coming in the background. One gripe though, the hieroglyphics are a little too detailed, especially if they're supposed to be ancient.
post #40 of 48
Well, not to start another back and forth Anderson bashing, but just to show my cards I have to say I haven't seen one of his films I've liked.


That said. The art looks nice (exception below) but so what? Some painted storyboards from Alien 4 would look nice too.

I actually laughed out loud at the hieroglyphics though. C'mon! CHEESY. And they are almost TOO detailed with the looks of the creatures. Shouldn't they be a bit more reflective of the way a primitive group of people would view these creatures, like demons and dragons? But I guess they figure the audience would be too dumb to figure something like that out.

At best I'm hoping for passable.
post #41 of 48
I don't understand the hate that Paul Anderson gets her in Internet Land. I like Mortal Kombat. Like someone said earlier, the martial arts in that film are solid. I also liked Event Horizon. Ditto for Resident Evil.

Damn, those pics look good. I want to see the shot of the Predator ships surrounding the Aztec pyramids now.

This will be a good film. Definately not as much suspense as Aliens or Predator, but a good film nonetheless.

Quit hating. You're not Buck Nasty.
post #42 of 48
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Originally posted by Logo Lou
But I guess they figure the audience would be too dumb to figure something like that out.

Thank God your here to show us the light.

Seriously dude........is the hyrogliphics THAT big an issue to you? Never mind the fact that you have two intergerlactic species trying to wipe each other off.....well, every map, but the hyrogliphics being too detailed is too much for you to look over?

It's not because the audience is dumb. It's because that the detail of the hyrogliphics are redundant.

It all goes back to what I said a while back... I find it really funny that people will accept such a fantastical world and then complain about the small things that really shouldn't matter.
post #43 of 48
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Originally posted by Fireflyfan
It all goes back to what I said a while back... I find it really funny that people will accept such a fantastical world and then complain about the small things that really shouldn't matter.
Good fantasy movies create an absolutely believable, even realistic, world and then introduce a single fantastic element. We suspend our disbelief in aliens (if we have it) to allow the alien beast to arrive in a small town. We may find it unbelievable, however, if the small town sheriff is an ex-navy seal who has worked for the CIA and was personally responsible for the Kennedy assassination (both of 'em). This is an extreme example of the phenomenon where a small detail can make someone withhold their suspension of disbelief. Lord of the Rings is a believable fantasy because it never breaks its own rules. Imagine if the Fellowship after fighting orcs, a troll, and a ballrog exitted the mines of Moria to face a colony of giant crabs just outside Lothlorien. Huh?!? Giant crabs?!? One could say, "Hey, it's a fantasy! Orcs you'll buy, but not giant crabs?" To which the response is, "Orcs are part of this world. Where the hell do giant crabs fit into it?"

So I can understand how details will strike someone as an unbelievable moment in a film populated by fantastical elements. My friend once wrote a story about Jason Vorhees coming back from Hell. He wrote himself and all of us (his friends) into the story. It was good and fun, but he was a fan of Faith No More and wrote them in as playing at the cabin because they were such good friends with him. And everyone glommed on to that story idea as unbelievable. Here they were reading about demons and frickin' Jason Vorhees, and they said that Faith No More playing at a cabin for my friend was unbelievable. They were right, too. The world that Jason and his demons was invading was not believably OUR world, so disbelief became more difficult to suspend.
post #44 of 48
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Originally posted by Logo Lou


I actually laughed out loud at the hieroglyphics though. C'mon! CHEESY. And they are almost TOO detailed with the looks of the creatures. Shouldn't they be a bit more reflective of the way a primitive group of people would view these creatures, like demons and dragons? But I guess they figure the audience would be too dumb to figure something like that out.

At best I'm hoping for passable.
I would imagine the hieroglyphs are merely stage dressing...they MIGHT be examined closely, but then again might not...and to whoever said the glyphs were too pristine, remember, this film ALSO takes place when those pyramids had just been completed, before the three predators set off their 'self-destructs' (does this cause the axis of the Earth to tilt, thus everything ending up in the Southern Pole?...j/k...or am I?)
Remember Giger also made hieroglyphs for the original 'Alien' film...



and they were never used...
post #45 of 48
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Originally posted by Fireflyfan
Thank God your here to show us the light.
I didn't say we, the audience were dumb, just that the filmakers assume we are.

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Seriously dude........is the hyrogliphics THAT big an issue to you?
No. But I was giving my honest reaction to the photos posted.

Giger's glyphs look like an artist did them. The AVP glyphs look like a high school kid did. Just sayin'
post #46 of 48
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Originally posted by ChainsawXxX
"...And then he was eaten by a Pengualien. Well, I gotta get back on the road. See ya next year, Junior!"

I'm gonna feel like such a heel if this story's true...
No worries, it's fiction. My grandfather died of the long term effects of being Mustard gassed by the Germans in the First World War.

Dang Germans.

'Course my uncle avenged him by training B-52 crews to firebomb German cities in the Second World War.

So I guess it kind of evened out.

Pengualiens could be cool though. I'll bet my daughter will end up owning a Beanie Baby Penualien by this time next year.
post #47 of 48
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Originally posted by robotpals
Now see, I played the game, and anyone who played the game can tell you that RESIDENT EVIL = FRICKIN' ZOMBIES. Having the zombies feel tacked on is like saying that the vampires didn't feel like they belonged in Blade. Didn't belong?!? They're the whole frickin' point! (I'm not yelling at you, Altar -- this is for Anderson.) People shouldn't walk out of a damn RESIDENT EVIL movie and say, "Pretty good, but why'd they have to add zombies? The games are all about killer computers, I take it?" But like I said, there weren't any zombies in Resident Evil, and I will maintain that until my dying day. (Please don't try to talk me out of it -- a fella's got to sleep at night...)
Whoah I can't believe I miss that. Dude...Zombies are a big part of it but so does biological mutants and corrupted agencies and terrorist groups. C'Mon now!!!
Resident Evil = What America is really about??
post #48 of 48
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Originally posted by Gus Bjork
No worries, it's fiction. My grandfather died of the long term effects of being Mustard gassed by the Germans in the First World War.

Dang Germans.

'Course my uncle avenged him by training B-52 crews to firebomb German cities in the Second World War.

So I guess it kind of evened out.

Pengualiens could be cool though. I'll bet my daughter will end up owning a Beanie Baby Penualien by this time next year.
Errr...I'm German.

Ahhh, who am I kidding. We're bastards.

The pengualien thing kinda frightens me. The idea of a 3-foot, waddling Alien is a franchise killer. I'm surprised they didn't think of a Polar bear Alien first. If they did that, maybe Jon Peters could finally sleep at night.

PS- That last one's for anyone who knows the Kevin Smith Superman Lives story.
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