Boxing

I use to know boxing real well. Now I don't follow it all that much. I get curious about certain matches but then I remember that the sport is totally corrupt and the judging is always suspect.

I am a hardcore boxing fan.


The scores in Judah/Spinks were pretty god awful tonight.

The first Judge's score was pretty awful (111-118 or something ridiculous) but the rest were pretty accurate.

Spinks won the fight. Zab did not do enough to take the title.

I can't really stand Judah, but I am very objective when watching a fight and I think Spinks won. Barely.

As for Wladimir Klitschko....what can you say?

He just has no heart. He was absolutely murdering Lamon Brewster, but all of sudden he just dropped his arms and looked like he couldn't move. His conditioning sucks, he keeps his arms up and expends to much energy for a big man, he has a weak chin, and he doesn't have any heart at all. Such dissappointment from such a superb physical and intellectual specimen.

As for Brewster...he'll probably get killed by whomever he fights next. He was beyond terrible, he just had a good chin and perseverance.

Vitali will probably beat Sanders pretty bad I would wager. Then I think Vitali murders Lamon.

But the future heavyweight champ of the world...Lights Out. After his Jirov fight and his move to heavy, I am really impressed by him.

Yeah, as you can see, I follow boxing. Not extensively like one of my friends, but I watch it whenever a relatively "good" fight comes on.

Who do you guys think is the best right now pound for pound?

Bernard, in my mind, without a doubt. (Not an original answer I know...but he's so goddam good. I think he is going to win convincingly over De La Hoya (who I also don't like too much), but both Bernard's and Oscar's "tune-up" fights are no joke)

Bhop is going to take De La Hoya apart. Roy Jones Jr is still # 1 p4p till someone beats him.

Wlad looked like he gave up after he couldn't put Brewster away. I just took Wlad out of the top 10 heavys. Vitaly/Sanders is going to be interesting. Sanders is going to come to fight. Vitaly looked good against a flabby Kirk Johnson, but he also couldn't put away a hurt and out of shape Lennox Lewis. I really want to see Toney do well at heavy, can't wait to see him in with some worthy opposition. I'd love to see him take Ruiz to school.


I had the Zab/Spinks fight really close, and a draw or a squeaker by Spinks was acceptable. That first judge must have been playing game boy or something during the fight.

Ex-Olympic Champion Audley Harrison will destroy Toney as well as the rest of the mediocre contenders in the heavyweight division. Toney has already complained (like a soft tart) that Audley is ’too big’ for heavyweight. <fx: Boo Hoo!>

As for the Klitch twins - neither have the jaw to compete long-term.

The name of the game is be hit and hit back.

Fixed typo.

Harrison looks ok....but he's been in against really soft touches. Hopefully he'll slowly move up and improve his comp and skills rather than end up like another Wlad or Micheal Grant.

I'd love to see Toney in some mega fights, he'd sell the fight well with his shit talking. And if he backs it up for a few fights there could be a mainstream star in the making.

Vlad: Now that was freaking sad!

Vlad has a jaw constructed of toothpicks and rock candy. When Sanders thrashed him, Sanders had all but hung up the gloves and was working in the private sector I believe. All in all, the heavyweight division is a sham with the only fighter worth a flip, Ike Ibeabuchi, crazy and in jail.

About the only fights I'm really pumped about are

1) potential Sharmba Mitchell/ Tszyu matchup later this year.
2) Jones/Taver #2
3) Marquez/Pacquiao

Also, who here is interested in seeing Ricky Hatton cross the pond and get tested somewhere other than Manchester. He says he wants to fight Tszyu but with the Mitchell fight and the rate at wich he accepts opponents, I don't really see that happening. We'll see Tszyu/Spinks before that I think.

Let's keep this thread going!!

How can you not look forward to the Hopkins/De la Hoya fight?

I love Bernard and hate Oscar. I can't wait to see Oscar get smoked.

I don't know about Kosta Tsyzu....injurys and a long layoff are never a good thing. I'd love to see Mitchell and Hatton go at it.

Anyone getting the PPV this weekend? Not me, its kind of a shitty card, though I am interested in seeing what Golota has left, kind like wanting to see a train wreck.

For that same reason. I think Oscar gets pummeled in a no contest fight. Hopkins is too much for him. It's sad that De la Hoya is turning into a has been. Getting beaten by Mosely a second time really hurt him I think. Anyway, I look forward to it but not with the same anticipation as the other fights.

Speaking of has beens, who is goin to fight Trinidad? He was supposed to fight Mosely but after Mosely got worked by Wright I think they'll rematch before he gets Trinidad if at all.

OK, maybe has-been is a little uncalled for. He's still got skills but most boxing talk is moving away from the DLH's and Trinidad's and onto the new "flavors". Like I said, I think the losses to Mosely really put a chink in the armor if you know what I mean. If he had split, I'd say differently. As far as draw though, DLH is still the man and if you want the big payday, he's the guy to see.

I'd like to see "Vargas"terone go up and fight Jermain Taylor. Also, does anybody know about plans for a Freitas/Mayweather fight?

WTF is up with Spinx's back? It looks like he's been a victim of shark attack.

hey! tonight, april 15th on Showtime theres boxing.

11pm eastern time it starts, couple of heavyweight fights.

Atilla Levin vs Jeremy Williams

Jameel mcline vs ?
should be fun!

Your not geeked for Delahoya vs. Hopkins sep18th

not to mention the return of TITO later this year?

The only reason I am excited about the return of Tito is the hope that he gets his ass kicked.

I hate Tito more than Prince Naseem.

And that is not hyperbole.

Vargas"terone go up and fight Jermain Taylor. Also, does anybody know about plans for a Freitas/Mayweather

freitas can't box and mayweather would get through freitas' 2 rnd wild man attack and beat him on points.

taylor looks like the future of the middleweights unless he makes the mistake of fighting oscar who can out jab him believe it or not.

and bojado is the man at light.

Tito vs taylor = fireworks

F off. boxing is just 2 meat heads slugging it out if you don't watch it.

Try watching for a year you'll soon learn to appreciate the art science technique skill talent athleticism and beauty of the sport i guarantee.

theres just so much more to it, its history the reason behind the skills used.

I said F off not FUCK off........ Talking to you like a Bud

I know its your opinion and it is yours to have, I just started liking the sport about 4 years ago and now have a passion for it.

My favorite sport by far

Go watch soccer, or.....don't post in this thread.


A chess match or a war, its my favorite sport hands down.


ShoBox was pretty bad tonight. McCline beat some no name in 1 ugly rd. Jeremy Williams beat "prospect" Atilla Levin. Levin looked awful, Williams looked ok, but was gassed after 6. Yucky.

Jabba: Why even post here. You contributed nothing except your opinion of a sport we like.

I like the sport because I like contact sports in general, but this one has technique, art, and strategy to it. It's fun to watch. There are RULES, its not barbaric as people like you want us to believe, as if it is men being fed to lions.

We like the sport. If you don't, you don't, but I think you see nothing besides 2 guys punching, and that's a shame to me. My opinion.

I've been a long time boxing fan, so it's good to see some mure Chewers into the sweet science.

My take on last weekend is that Spinks eek'd a win out by the hair on his nuts and would probably lose a rematch, but he did a good job in the early rounds keeping Judah at bay with a terrific jab, he just doesn't have the punching power to stay on top for long. Someone will find his chin and he won't have the comeback power to keep someone off of him when
the start teeing off.

Wlad, wow, what can I say, the man has skills. Alot of skills. Something wasn't right with him that night, you could see it in the way he was breathing. People say he's a 6rd fighter, yet look at his fights with Byrd and McCline - he didn't tire in 2rds in either of those. Brewster didn't expose Wlad chin at all, to be honest I couldn't tell if Wlad was ever really hurt or just exhausted, I'm gonna go with exhausted. Theres talk of his blood/sugar being way out of whack, and I'm prone to believe something was wrong with the guy - he had too much to lose in this fight to not care, and Brewster was much of a step up from Nicholson or the other bum he took out after Sanders. Wlad came this far taking some pretty good shots from some pretty good punchers, it's sad to see a guy as gifted as him to just crumble in the ring from being so tired. I can't make excuses for the guy, but something just wasn't right in that fight, and I hope that he recovers and get's back in the mix, because he is way more talented than most of the other top 15 combined.

On Mr. Toney, I've watched the guy fight for years and years, and when he comes to fight (which is when he feels like it) he can be almost unbeatable. But I don't think we'll see too much more from James Toney in the future, his injury (achilles) has set him back quite a ways, and at this point who knows if he'll ever be the same, though he was more a upper body movement guy then a feet guy. I expect one more fight at heavy, then a fight with Hopkins or Jones Jr and then bowing out.

On the rest of the Heavyweight division: Though he looked bad at the end of his last fight, I really gotta root for Joe Mesi, the guy has heart, which is more than you can say for his other up-and-coming contender counterpart who just recently got exposed Dominick Guinn. Ruiz and Byrd gotta be some of the boring fighters to ever watch, but yet I'm intrigued to watch them fight if they ever do. I can't wait to watch JC Gomez go down when he actually fights someone who can punch at Heavyweight. Otherwise the division is filled with has-beens or never-were's and never gonna-be's.

Other fights I'm looking forward too are: Pacman Vs Marquez (taking Marquez), Cotto vs. Valenzuela (a real test for Cotto)

Jones vs Tarver (I'm picking Jones big this time)

DeLaHoya vs Strum/Hopkins should great fights, when does DeLaHoya not bring it?

Frietes vs Corrales (taking Diego, he looked good against Cassamayor with Goosen in the corner)

Paul Malignaggi is always fun to watch. And I woulda loved to watch Pretty Boy Floyd take on Spaddy, too bad it'll probably never happen considering by time Floyd agree's to it Spaddy will be in jail.

Mesi vs Vitally has to happen.....its real life Rocky 4! Thats PPV gold right there!

I like Mesi too. Hes not that good, but he always trys his best. He needs to stay at the level of opponets hes at for a few more fights, but I think the new rumor is Mesi vs Holyfield in buffalo in August. That sucks. Holy is my all time favorite fighter. He also needs to retire right now. Mesi by decision......a really sad desicion...like the last Ali fight. You never know though, I would piss myself in joy if the warrior made one last run.

I don't ever want to see Holyfield fight again. Also I think that's a bad fight for Mesi, makes him look like he's taking Toney's leftovers (which he would be). I'd love to see Mesi take on Vitali, it'd be a big money fight for sure, but first I think a fight against someone like Etienne or Maskaev would be a good tune-up, since both have suspect chin's and somewhat of a name.

Mesi needs to stay the fuck away from Byrd, and southpaws in general. Though a Byrd/Jirov fight might be entertaining, but plodding.

The heavyweight division could use a big Vitali vs. Mesi showdown around Xmas to stir things up, nothing like a great white hope against the (notreally) evil (brokendown) russians. I'd probably take Klit in that fight but it'd be entertaining not matter what, Mesi would come to fight, he always have since I've been following it. I also think he's better than most people give him credit for, he was dominating Jirov until he got hit on the back of the head.

I think Vitali has what it takes to be champ. I'd love to see him fight Mesi. Mesi is totally overrated in my opinion. He's not that good.

I'd also like to see Roy Jones take on Vitali. Roy should fight a real heavyweight.

Roy doesn't want any part of a real heavyweight. He knew he could run circles around Ruiz, and even Ruiz was a threat to him, if any heavy actually hit Jones, even Mesi, he'd go down.

A fight that'd be interesting would be Jones Jr vs Jirov

Side note- Fight I'd like to see: Hopkins vs Tarver

Who the hell is going to do Pay Per View for Byrd v Golota and Ruiz v Oquendo?

I mean, seriously, what where they thinking?

Don King is moving the pieces into position. Things are starting to look like 1995 when Frank Bruno and Bruce Seldon were "belt holders". King engineered a bunch of soft touches for Tyson. Who can forget the wind from a missed punch koing Seldon. Anyway. I think the Don King masterplan is to get Tyson to sign with him, beat Ruiz, beat Byrd/Golota rematch winner, beat lamon Brewster. Then sign Holy/Tyson 3 for MEGA $$$$. Don't forget how Lewis and his WBC belt were pretty much an asterix during that whole 1995 period. The winner of the Vitali/Sanders fight would be on the outside looking in, since every one BUT vitali and Sanders are under contract to King.

Thats probally just one of the don king plans, but it makes sense. John q Public would eat Holy/Tyson 3 up (uh oh) even at 55$ a pop.


As a side note, John Ruiz should take a cue from wrestling and become a heel. Start cutting interviews about how everyone hates him yet no one can seem to take his belt and the fans can stick it if they don't like him. He could really become a guy people pay to watch cause they want to see him KTFO. Standing around being quiet and having boring as hell fights isnt really working for him.

I've written off the heavyweight div. for a while. And frankly, I don't know if I'd watch a Tyson/HolyField fight if they paid me $55. Things are so bad that a 50 year old Foreman may actually have a shot at getting a belt.

Well, Sanders said he is done pretty much either way after the Vitili fight, I think he said one more fight after that.. maybe. So here's hope for Vitili to clean up the division, but I'm not so sure, with the way Guinn got beat down and Mesi is a big Q and Wlad is lethargic all the exciting young guns are pretty much big ???.

Maybe Peter will come on big and KTFO of all the top guys.

Vitally VS. Sanders

NOW on HBO

Vitally VS. Sanders

NOW on HBO


Ugly

Larry Merchant- "This is heavy weight boxing. Two whales wailing on each other."

HAHA

It depends on your definition of "good fight".

If you're looking for precision and skill from two ring-generals, than this fight would have made you want to get a swift kick in the nuts to put you our of your misery.

If your definition of good fight is a bloody, ugly, street brawl, then this was the fight for you.

Sanders is just Homer Simpson with a mean as hell left. He hits like a freight train, but has the skill of Hurricane McNeeley and the stamina of a 70 year old Butterbean.

But man, can he take a beating.

You could tell Vitali was scared of his left, but when Sander hit him (Sanders landed 56 punches or so in the entire fight...seriously) Vitali took it.

But Vitali was clearly the better fighter: he murdered Sanders.

And Merchant seems to think that Vitali is THE Heavyweight Champ of the World.

Wow, was a very entertaining fight. Klitschko really did dominate most of the fight, but Sanders made him play into his trap multiple times. Sanders was out of shape, but in retorspect even if he was in shape it wouldn't of changed his gameplan. I think his plan worked up to the point that Vitili was able to actually take those punches he hit him with, and fuck if those weren't some killer fucking shots. Vitili never looked "really" hurt, just a little dazed and Sanders just took them and kept waiting to fire that left hook. The Sanders that was out there today would of beat just about anyone else in the top 20 in the HW division, no shitting. His gameplan wasn't much more than the fact hit his like a mutherfucker and has fast hands, how many guys in the HW can match that?

Too bad the guy never really took advantage of his talents more, but he proved himself as not some fluke, which is funny because it reminds me of Vitili in his lose to Lewis.

For a fight where a lot DIDN'T happen there was always that left hand in waiting to keep it interesting and Vitali was always aware that it would be coming if he got careless.

This fight and Sheika/Pemberton have been the best fights of the year so far.

I agree that was very fun to watch.

I like V. Klitchko. he seems like a nice guy, he trys really hard, and he usually lays a mean hurt on his opponents.

Whats he going to do next? I want him to KTFO John Ruiz. I'd take him over all the other belt holders. With Don King controlling the other belts, though, I'm not sure who he's going to fight next. Anyone got the WBC ratings handy?

I'll answer my own question

These are their most recent from their website -

1.-Vitaly Klitschko (Ukraine) - now the wbc champ
2.-Corrie Sanders (South Africa) - just lost to the new champ
3.-Joe Mesi (US) - lot of rumors about him, may never fight again(!)
4.-Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) - look pretty good on an hbo card
5.-James Toney (US) - I believe hes injured
6.-Hasim Rahman (US) - lost to ruiz.......RUIZ!
7.-David Tua (New Zealand) - way too inactive
8.-Mike Tyson (US) - way WAY too inactive
9.-Eliecer Castillo (Cuba) NABF- just lost to Touch of Sleep Williamson
10.-Jamel McCline (US) - sucks

These ratings blow. Mesi is way too high. Tyson hasn't fought in a year. Toney is injured. Tua is another no show, Castillo just lost, but pre the loss having him at 9/10 isnt too bad. Mcline is awful. Rahman isnt too hot either. yuck.

Vitally will probally fight Gomez then?

I would fight the other belt holders.

Ruiz would be a cakewalk and a half.

Lamon Brewster is terrible but can take a beating. Plus it would give him a chance to avenge Wlad.

Byrd is a good fighter despite his Golota fight, and it would give him a chance to avenge his "loss".

Those are the fights I would take, in that order.