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You gotta remember that Gomez is a blown up cruiserweight just like Toney.. and Klits a 6'7" robot. Gomez could get killed.

I'd love to see Klitscko vs. Mesi, though I think Mesi would get beaten it'd be damn entertaining.

I hope Tyson stays away, he'll get killed against any live opponent, I'd pick Barett to beat him these days.

I also wish Pac/Marquez was right now.

Out of the WBC top ten only decent fight I see is Gomez. I figure Vitally will take an easier fight for his 1st defense anyway.

The problem with the other belt holders is that Don King holds all the cards. Vtally would have to sign with him to get a shot at any of them. I think Brewster is the argining chip he could use to get Vitally or James Toney to sign with him, since most people consider Brewster to be worse than Ruiz.

I'd like to see Brewster and Ruiz unify while Byrd rematches Golota and Vitally fights...somebody. Byrd/Golota winner vs Vitally with Toney vs the Ruiz/Brewster winner, then those 2 winners meet. But instead we'll probally get some really shitty fights for a while. No one is clamoring for Byrd vs Ruiz, and 99.9% of the world has no idea who Brewster is.

Naw, Vitaly will fight a big name. There's no legitimacy or "big" money in the heavweight division as it is, that's why he was calling out Lennox Lewis after the fight to come out of retirement and fight him. Without beating Lennox, Vitaly is just a paper champion and he knows it. I don't expect the HW division to be good again until you get some up and coming personality a la 80's Tyson to inject a little enthusiasm back in. We need a knock out artist. I though Tua was going to be the heir apparent but he fell off the face of the earth.

A fight I'd pay to see in the HW? Roy Jones vs. Vitaly. It'll never happen but man, I can dream about the possibility. I just think it would be a fun fight as Roy would be extremely outmatched.

Brewster holds only a minor-level belt though, you've got to remember that. The WBO is the least regarded of all the ABC's. Typically it's a euro-level belt, and never really considered a championship level belt. Nobody ever considered Wlad a heavyweight champion when he held it. Same with Sanders and all those before them. Though King could sell it as a revenge card with say a Winky/Shane rematch with a a Vitili/Brewester headliner.

I'd watch, though I'd expect Winky to repeat his domination and Brewster to get beat by KO in the 5th or 6th rd (if not sooner).

I'm still sold on Klitschko/Mesi as being the most action-packed exciting heavyweight card that can booked right now (next to Toney/Jones Jr at heavy). I mean shit it's fucking Rocky all over again, you could sell that fucker. Although I'd admit that it'd look better if Klitschko would say beat someone like Byrd or Ruiz and Mesi would beat Tyson to legitimize the fight a little more, but I think there's a risk that either could lose before it'd happen.

I never really liked the guy as a champ. For every great performance he gave he gave another poor one. There was a time that he was really dedicated to the fight game, and was serious about clearing of the so-called-"trash" of the day. His loss to Rahman was really bad, despite killing him in the rematch, it really hurt his overall appeal. Rahman is slightly above journeyman level.

I've often found Lewis' style boring to watch, and though confident and arrogant he often didn't let that out in the ring often enough. Highly skilled but I can't group him with the best of all-time.

But then again even the greatest of all-time probably wouldn't of been the greatest of all time if they would of enforced the rules with him, since Ali was notrious for holding/pushing/rabbit punching/etc.

Lewis is probably one of the best heavyweight fighters to come along in a long time. In both size and skills, he was unmatched. Unfortunately, like Xtian said, he was never really liked as a champ by a large majority of people. Being an expatriot Brit growing up in Canada and training in the US makes it hard. Furthermore, Lewis did not dedicate himself to the sport like many wished he would, showing up out of shape and unprepared on several occassions. In the end however, I believe Lewis's biggest problem was the lack of quality opponents in the heavyweight division. Having an incredible rival or rivals really adds to a boxer's mystique and Lewis, even in his prime, really didn't have one. Instead, he had to fight over the hill, has been fighters or fighters like Rahman that he never should have lost to in the first place. Of course, Tyson (in his prime) did it without a big rival, but he did it by fucking punishing people and the fan loves that. Lewis was a boxer and an unflamboyant one at that. Had he come along say a decade before he really came on, I believe we would have been looking a thim in a whole different light.

I'd pick him over Ali if the ref made Ali stop all that bullshit he always pulled.

I'd say Pac without a doubt but then again, I haven't seen Marquez fight all that much. That little Phillipino has some power too. They're not just "touches".

Taking Marquez in this one, I like Pacman but I'm hesitant to pick him on the Barrera fight because I'm just not sure that's the best fight to judge him on (MAB looked "off").

BTW I say let's keep this thread an ongoing with updates instead of starting new threads!

I'm actually stoked for FNF this week Savarese vs Nolan, since this is a big step up for Nolan and it'll be nice to see how Savarese will do after the layoff, hopefully he didn't sign up to just lose. Lou was always a good journeymen fighter who just couldn't take a top tier punch, but he's fun to watch. Especially fun to watch get KO'd.

this is going to be a great fight! I'm leaning towards Pacquiao myself!

Anyone ordering Jones/Tarver 2? Im leaning towards getting it. God awful heavyweight Bruce Seldon makes his PPV return on the undercard. Wow, that sucks.

Jones Jr undercards typically suck.

I want to get it, but I don't want to pay for a Roy Jones Jr fight.

His undercards almost always suck, and I think his fights are usually pretty boring. I think he is a great fighter, but I've never been a huge fan.

Well the Savarese/Nolan fight sucked. Lou was obviously stronger but didn't seem to be motivated at all. Nolan did nothing but throw a few punches and then hold ala Ruiz.

The only thing to look forward too is someone KO'ing Nolan in spectacular fashion ala Savarese/Johnson.

Anyone live will kill Nolan.

christ.

Cotto/N"dou was a lot like N'dou/Mitchell. Cotto won handily and N'dou kept it interesting.

A draw is annoying for Pacquiao/Marquez. The 1st round was the worst thing that could have happened to Pac. Looked like he looked for that one left hand shot all night and nothing else. Props to Marquez for the come back. The scoring is crappy (again with this in a fight). But Pac let the guy off the hook and back into a fight he looked like he was going to blow out him out. Sucks.

BULLSHIT

BULLSHIT

BULLSHIT


It wasn't that fact that it was a draw. It was a close fight. It was the fact that the scoring was SO WACKED.

What the fuck was that geezer Canadian guy watching?

A 10-7 round 1? WHAT THE FUCK?

The one reason I hate and love boxing: Judges.

I love Pac Man, but I almost think he was lucky in some ways to get a draw. After the first round, Marquez really took control of the fight. And on a selfish level, the draw means we'll probably see these two guys thrown down again. Since this was such a fun fight to watch, the rematch should be great too. However, it was pretty sad that the deciding judge blew the scoring on the first round. A ten point difference between 2 judges and one miscores a round. It's flat-out bullshit that a judge doesn't want to let the scoring get out of hand so he purposely miscores a round. This is why boxing can be such a travashamockery (yes I know some will cringe at my use of that commercial joke, but I think it's a perfectly cromulent word.) Hopefully we'll get some decent scoring in the rematch. And hopefully Pac Man will develop a different strategy if he wants to win it.

The fight was great, until the judges ruined it. I could understand pulling a draw with the scores close. I could understand letting either of them win with the score close. But to do this shit? Oh well... judges ruin boxing.

Early KD's aren't always good for a fighter if he doesn't take him out.

I had Pac winning it close, I thought he did enough in the last 5rds to pull it out.

How the judge game JMM 10 of the last 11?? Did he watch the same fight I did?

And the mistake in scoring, which the judge admitted to screwing up. A draw is just a huge disappointment here. Because I was looking forward to Morales/PacMan not JMM/Pac 2. Both guys got robbed in this fight, which is hard to explain, but a draw is such a bullshit decision, because in the end you have to ask, why the fuck did we do this. No body wins, both people really lose in that case. I could of accepted either guy winning close, but not this and not the scoring they had.

Fucking terrible.

I'm pretty sure I am gonna break down and order the Jones/Tarver ppv....if you guys want I can do round by round updates, let me know!

I think I'd like that, since I can't find enough people to go into a PPV these days, other than my dad.

Guapo
screw that they'll replay it next week on HBO

Here's what I do: since boxing isn't huge and its just an ok fight like that tarver/jones no drama affair, i just skip sports center for a day usually sunday and come the next saturday. sit back with some mexican food a beer and enjoy the new fight (mayweather) and the rebroadcast.( don't be in the room for the first 15 mins of the hbo rebroadcast they tell you right away who won and usually what happened. come in when Buffer starts to blow)


PS
did any of you catch the Bojado fight on NBC sat. afternoon. He popped the mouthgaurd out of that guys face with 10 seconds left. Man i say that kids my new favorite fighter.

As a boy my favorite was: Chavez

In my teens: DeLaHoya

In my twenties: Bojado

I guess Barrera was in between Delahoya and bojado

My favorite all time is Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield. Currently, I like V. Klitchko, Mesi (he sucks...so what), Mayweather, and Roy Jones...oh yeah and the man B. Hopkins.

I just like good fights.. my fav fight this year is Sheika/Pemberton 2. So far untouched for FoTY. Mesi/Jirov was exciting. Winky/SSM was fun to watch.

But Sheika/Pemberton was an all-out brawl. I want to see Pemberton get a shot at a big fight, wish someone would make this happen, the guy deserves it, wants a house for his family, and he deserves it. HBO make this happen.

JOE MESI is WBC #1!! Holy crap!: ROCKY 4 will really happen! Joe better start training by running up a mountain right now!

WBC
champion - V. Klitchko
1) Joe Mesi
2) Juan Carlos Gomez
3) James Toney
4) Hasim Rahman
5) Henry Akinwande
6) Jameel McCline
7) David Tua
8) Mike Tyson
9) Monte Barrett
10) Davarryl Williamson.

These rankings are either horrid or the division is just really awful right now. No way Mesi is ready for Vitali. Toney is injured, Tyson and Tua havent fought in a year. AKINWANDE? GAH! Henry should fight Ruiz in a hugging match! I would take Vitali over every single person in the top 10 except a healthy/in shape toney...and that would be a pick em.

Can't wait till tomorrow night either!

Actually, I think they are ok.

Why, because I'm glad that some of the younger guys (or you should say newer) are getting a chance to move up in class, it becomes now or never time for them. Which is good, it will weed out the lame ducks and give a chance for someone to stand out. It's hard to justify many others to take the place of these guys that has stunk the place up lately. And Ruiz, Byrd, and Brewster can't be listed because they hold other belts.

the Alphabet Soup rankings are 99% of the time garbage, but seriously they gotta get the people who havent fought in a year or more outta there. Tua is undefeated in a year........cause he hasnt fought in a year and his last fight was a draw to Rahman. Such garbage. Mesi may not be ready for prime time, but at least he's been active. Same for Barrett, McCline, and Touch of Sleep, who just beat E. Castillo and is signed to fight Ray Mercer. Tyson beat the Black Rhino in what feels like 10 years ago.

FNF hasn't been too bad tonight, the KO in the 1st fight was great!

ppv so far

Gerald Nobles kod Seldon. Seldon looked SHOT, Nobles looked like garbage. Anyone in the top 20 would take him apart.

Zab Judah clowned his way to a boring win over Pineda. Pineda made it real close....seemingly only cause Zab decided to clown rather than fight.

Hyping up the main event now......

"lets get ready to rumble"

rd 1 -

nothing happening.

Tarver posing. Jones landing some combos and body shots. Not much action.

10 -9 jones

tarver talking shit in his corner. he should shut up and fight.

rd 2 -

Tarver trying to be more aggressive.

Good body work by jones so far. HOLY SHIT DOWN GOES JONES!ITS OVER!

TARVER KO RD 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HOLY FUCK!!!!!!

GREATEST 'Dazed right after punch' look i've seen in a while. He totally caught Roy offguard. Goodbye Junior.

For the whole of the fight (all 1 and a 1/2 rounds of it) RJJ looked better and landed more. then he got KTFO. Holy crap, I can't believe it.

I thought Roy would get up, but he was so dazed. I guess he's never been hit that hard. Then the funniest thing was after the KO, Tarver was so excited that he knocked out the cameraman. He came off the ropes and slammed his glove onto the camera. Then the announcer says "THERE'S A FIGHT IN THE RING! A FIGHT HAS BROKEN OUT!"

nah. Zabs chicken dance was better. Roy was definitly KTFO though....

I don't know, i got a phone call right after the fight and only saw some of Tarver's post fight interview.

Before the fight the ref asked 'do you have any questions?' and Tarver said "Yeah, you got any excuses tonight, Roy?". Then when he was in his corner he said something to his trainer like "Respect? Don't say that word. There is no fuckin respect!"

However, post fight you could see that Tarver apologized to Roy. Tarver didn't trash Jones at all during the post fight interview, and you have to think Jones will come back, so....

Roy in his post fight interview insinuated that he wouldn't fight Tarver again and said he only came down to 175 for the fans. He used the weight as an excuse again. He also said if he does come back it would be at heavyweight because those are the only fights he can get up for.

You'd think he would try again with Tarver since he was embarrased, but i guess he doesn't want any part of that .