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Bonds reaches 660, I don't give a shit

post #1 of 56
4/12/04 at 6:48pm
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Fucking interrupting PTI. Fuck you, ESPN. Call me when he goes for the all-time record with his roided-up muscles.
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post #2 of 56
4/12/04 at 7:28pm
If you don't give a shit, then why the post?

And, true, those steroids that boosted his hand-eye coordination and brain power on choosing which pitches to take really sully this moment.
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post #3 of 56
4/12/04 at 7:37pm
I agree Verbs the guy sucks. ESPN and their apologist monkeys can go suck an Ent as well.
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post #4 of 56
4/12/04 at 7:39pm
I'm happy the whole thing is over with, merely because I can't stand the coverage.

I've just never cared much for career records.
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post #5 of 56
4/12/04 at 9:23pm
Bonds can also bench 660 now.
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post #6 of 56
4/12/04 at 10:49pm
Willie Mays Hayes is my godfather.
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post #7 of 56
4/12/04 at 10:49pm
The Yankees don't have a monopoly on exploiting nostalgia.

As for Bonds, couldn't care less. Although if he beats Aaron I'd be interested in hearing him acknowledge the hell he went thru to beat the Babe. Should have had Andy Van Slyke there to congratulate him, though. It would've livened things up.
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post #8 of 56
4/13/04 at 1:51am
Isn't Bonds on Jesus of Nazareth?
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post #9 of 56
4/13/04 at 12:38pm
if PTI had their "bonds, who cares?" segment one spot further down the line, it could have been possible to have them saying 'it's stupid and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for interupting other shows to cut to barry batting...' and be interrupted and cut away to barry batting. would have been a classic TV moment.

Also loved how they said its ESPNs fault. PTI wins points!
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post #10 of 56
4/13/04 at 1:01pm
I'm glad it happened. Now ESPN can stop showing Giants games every fucking night. I know of exactly nobody who gives a shit about Bonds moving into third.
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post #11 of 56
4/13/04 at 1:04pm
I'll be interested in 715, though.
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post #12 of 56
4/13/04 at 4:09pm
Gotta love these sports columnists who are avoiding the 'S' word in their columns like the plague, whereas two weeks ago you couldn't escape it.
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post #13 of 56
4/13/04 at 6:13pm
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Mark Prior, battling right Achilles' tendonitis and an inflamed left elbow, might not return until late May or June.
But, Who Cares since Jack McDowell said it is obvious he is a steroid user. I hate Prior now, he is a piece of shit. Damn steroids, ruining the game.
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post #14 of 56
4/13/04 at 6:16pm
Since when did anyone give a shit what Jack McDowell thinks? C'mon Dog you're a fan of the Norman settlers do us proud.
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post #15 of 56
4/13/04 at 6:25pm
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Originally posted by Johnny Daywalker
Since when did anyone give a shit what Jack McDowell thinks? C'mon Dog you're a fan of the Norman settlers do us proud.
I don't really care what he thinks. I was just being facetious about it. I'm just tired of the talk about these "steroid accusations" meaning someone who has proven to be great over the years, sucks now.

But, I did love Jack when he pitched for the White Sox, though. But, seriously, he needs to keep his mouth shut about players he don't know the facts about, though.
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post #16 of 56
4/13/04 at 6:26pm
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Originally posted by Starving Dog
But, Who Cares since Jack McDowell said it is obvious he is a steroid user. I hate Prior now, he is a piece of shit. Damn steroids, ruining the game.
he didn't say that and has since said he was misunderstood. Besides Prior wasn't sent steroids like Barry or went from 49 HR to 70+ in 1 season.

Unlike Aaron, Ruth and Mays Barry Bonds will be tainted by steroids and human growth hormones.

And I think Barry is an ass for comparing what he's going through to what Hank went through chasing the record. Aaron had death threats and racial taunts. What Barry is going through is nothing and he brought it all on himself.
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post #17 of 56
4/13/04 at 6:29pm
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Originally posted by Starving Dog
But, seriously, he needs to keep his mouth shut about players he don't know the facts about, though.
Why? You don't know the facts & you're telling someone else to keep their mouth shut.

Bonds uses steroids - you obviously don't care & that's your choice. But don't expect others to be able to just ignore it just because you choose to.
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post #18 of 56
4/13/04 at 7:23pm
Angel and Guttenberg = gold. Barry continues to be a complete fuckhead. He compares himself to Aaron? Whats next he compares himself to Jackie Robinson? I mean what the fuck is wrong with this guy? The guy is a total headcase.
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post #19 of 56
4/13/04 at 9:35pm
I'm with all the "BB uses 'roids" contributors - as I said in previous posts it's all about body types - BB went from long and lean to bulky - sorry Apologists but there haven't been any huge advances in the Bench Press or Bicep Curls (and only small advances in nutrition) in the last 10 years.

What I can't get is this talk about 'best all around' of all time? Crazy talk. He definitely stole a lot of bases but his fielding is average at best. Doesn't seem to get a great jump on the ball and doesn't have much of an arm for a major league left fielder. Sure, he does hit a lot of homers and for a good average considering the number of pitches he sees. But the pitching in the majors is so diluted and the high strike isn't called - I think the Babe would hit over 100 hrs in these conditions and Hank would get at least 75.
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post #20 of 56
4/13/04 at 9:43pm
I guess they're referring to his Gold Gloves and his legs, but I didn't live in Pittsburgh or San Francisco during his prime, so i can't attest to how great his defense was.
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post #21 of 56
4/13/04 at 9:44pm
First off, hitting 660 is no mean feat.

The problem is, how is this some sort of record-breaking event? Heck, he isn't even ALONE in 3rd place yet - are we going to be submitted to cut-ins for THAT, too? Plus the hype if/when he catches the Babe and the Hammer....

Some Chicago sports guys were hitting the nail on the head - this is MANUFACTURED, to boost baseball/Sportscenter ratings, because it's sort of dead-time right now - baseball is rolling but too early to really get excited about, NBA playoff position is pretty much locked in, and still early in the NHL playoffs. They've gotta have SOMETHING to yap about.

And for my money, Hank Aaron is quite possibly the most underrated major leaguer of ALL TIME.
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post #22 of 56
4/13/04 at 9:47pm
Hell, Hank Aaron may be the best player of all time, but that's another arguement for another day.

I understand the Giants making a big deal out of it, but ESPN's coverage was nauseating.
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post #23 of 56
4/13/04 at 10:56pm
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Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Why? You don't know the facts & you're telling someone else to keep their mouth shut.
I was talking about Jack McDowell keeping his mouth shut about Prior supposidly taking steroids. You believe it is his business to take it to the media then?
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post #24 of 56
4/13/04 at 10:57pm
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Originally posted by Chavez
And for my money, Hank Aaron is quite possibly the most underrated major leaguer of ALL TIME.
How is Hank Aaron underrated???
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post #25 of 56
4/13/04 at 10:59pm
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Originally posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Bonds uses steroids - you obviously don't care & that's your choice.
First, your right, I don't care. Steroids don't make someone a better batter. Second, I did not realize they sent you the positive drug test results. My apologies.
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post #26 of 56
4/13/04 at 11:21pm
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Originally posted by Starving Dog
Steroids don't make someone a better batter.
Maybe not, but they do make you fill out that Under Armor a lot better.
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post #27 of 56
4/14/04 at 12:03am
Watching Bonds hit all these homers makes me appreciate Aaron even more. He must have been a hell of a player... 755 homeruns in a pitching era. Unbelievable.

Anyway, Hank has nothing to worry about. Bonds wants to catch Ruth and that's about it. I think he will retire at the end of his contract before he catches Aaron.

MLB has never seen a combination of power and speed like Bonds. And a gold glove defensive player. Highest single season OPS. Wow.
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post #28 of 56
4/14/04 at 12:15am
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Originally posted by Starving Dog
First, your right, I don't care. Steroids don't make someone a better batter. Second, I did not realize they sent you the positive drug test results. My apologies.
Accepted.
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post #29 of 56
4/14/04 at 12:16am
And to note, Bonds is still one of the greatest players of all time. He's just also a cheater.
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post #30 of 56
4/14/04 at 12:28am
I agree. Pete Rose is a jerk and a gambler but one hell of a player.
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post #31 of 56
4/14/04 at 1:00am
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Originally posted by Starving Dog
How is Hank Aaron underrated?
Who's the all-time home run leader? Who's a solid #3 on the all-time hits list? Who was one of the main cogs in those great Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves series winning teams?

But all anyone can really talk about when it comes to hits is Cobb and Rose (rightfully so, but Aaron racked up 3700+, a tally that's not going to be overtaken by anyone anytime soon), and he is rated WELL BELOW Ruth and now Bonds as a slugger by most - but he was VERY good for a LONG freakin' time, and solid in all aspects - obviously, the man knew his way around the plate, played solid defense and while he didn't earn his money stealing bases, could do that too - but I doubt you'll find him on too many top 5, fuck, even top 10 lists of the baseball cognoscenti.

At best, he's rated behind Ruth - no problem there - Mays, Mantle, DiMaggio, Bonds, Cobb, Ted Williams, and probably a couple other guys by most. That's just wrong.
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post #32 of 56
4/14/04 at 1:51am
talking about underrated players...barry bonds. the man didn't even make the all decade team of the 90's when he is the best baseball player easily in the past 30 years.
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post #33 of 56
4/14/04 at 1:58am
Griffey made it ahead of him. If you look at Griffey's numbers in the 90s they are exceptional. I have no problem putting Griffey ahead of Bonds, though Bonds has NEVER seen pitches. He was walked in 1995 and 2003. Griffey is a stud.
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post #34 of 56
4/14/04 at 2:03am
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At best, he's rated behind Ruth - no problem there - Mays, Mantle, DiMaggio, Bonds, Cobb, Ted Williams, and probably a couple other guys by most. That's just wrong.
You are definitely underrating Williams, overrating Mantle. Williams missed 5 seasons in his prime due to Korea and WW2. FIVE. I am not a Boston fan, but I know that he should be right behind Ruth and Mays. Mantle had a .298 lifetime average, which is not terrible, but I would say he is closer to #10. Plus, you did not put any pitchers on that list (though they do probably deserve their own separate list).
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post #35 of 56
4/14/04 at 2:23am
Bonds hit 661. It is hard to get excited about this. I wish it was A-rod or Griffey or Travis Lee.
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post #36 of 56
4/14/04 at 3:50am
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
Griffey made it ahead of him. If you look at Griffey's numbers in the 90s they are exceptional. I have no problem putting Griffey ahead of Bonds, though Bonds has NEVER seen pitches. He was walked in 1995 and 2003. Griffey is a stud.
there's 3 outfielders who make it. did griffey win as many mvp's as bonds in the 90's? i don't think so.
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post #37 of 56
4/14/04 at 4:27am
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Originally posted by Chavez
Who's the all-time home run leader? Who's a solid #3 on the all-time hits list? Who was one of the main cogs in those great Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves series winning teams?
That's what I mean. I didn't think he was underrated because I (and many of my baseball player friends) all agree that he is one of the greatest players of any era. I always thought it was a given, and not underrated, but appreciated
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post #38 of 56
4/14/04 at 4:46am
Aaron and Mays deserve massive props. Saying that I think Ruth was the greatest slugger/hitter ever. Perhaps the greatest raw baseball talent ever as well (When you consider the pitcher he was).
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post #39 of 56
4/14/04 at 9:18am
Mantle's average dropped because he played too long with injuries. The guy was a goddamned walking MASH unit. When he was healthy, no one better. If he hadn't popped his knee in the '51 series, who knows what he would've done? Struck out a fair bit, but nothing compared to today's free swingers. And playing in Yankee Stadium really hurt him and Dimaggio - this was back before they moved the fences in, when the monuments were on the playing field(!) That said, Chavez's list list is pretty good
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post #40 of 56
4/14/04 at 1:44pm
I am not saying that Bonds is not a hell of a player, but by forgetting that Griffey was considered "The Man" and that he was the chosen one to break all of the major records. Griffey was thea fastest to 200, 300, and 400, i believe, and without his injuries would be still talked about. Looking back, Griffey was so young and so good that he was the obvious choice. This was before Bonds juiced up, this was before baseball had ever seen a man Bonds age hit 73 home runs and .370. Noboby believed Bonds had a chance and all the talk was about SOSA and GRIFFEY (and even McGuire).

You cannot take away the player Bonds was and is to this day. The MVPs is a good argument, and he probably deserved two more (the Terry Pendleton and Jeff Kent years). But take into account what his age was at the time, his numbers at the time, and his persona, and you can understand why Griffey was on there.

I think the list is missing some big names like Stan "The Man" (who I believe looks better on paper then DiMaggio) and others. But, I am not saying its a bad list. The names are all there, though I think your order is a bit off. But, I will agree that the list is good.
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post #41 of 56
4/14/04 at 2:38pm
Also Gehrig, who hit cleanup for the Yankees (Ruth hit #3).
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post #42 of 56
4/14/04 at 2:56pm
I like the fact that the same guy caught 660 and 661 sitting in his kayak out in the cove. Lucky bastard. He gave 660 back, but he is going to supposedly keep 661.
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post #43 of 56
4/14/04 at 5:10pm
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
This was before Bonds juiced up, this was before baseball had ever seen a man Bonds age hit 73 home runs and .370.
And this number - .370 - is a reason that Bonds should not be solely judged by the alleged steroid use. He is just a great hitter in general - power or not.

And I agree that Griffey was the man when he was hitting at Seattle. Griffey, more than Bonds - at the time - deserved to be ranked on the list.
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post #44 of 56
4/14/04 at 5:42pm
let me say again that 3 outfielders make the all decade team. not 1 but 3. bonds wasn't listed as one of the 3 best outfielders of the 90's. thats what i'm saying. griffey deserved to be on it for sure. griffey and bonds are without a doubt the 2 best player's i've ever seen play. it's just too bad that griffey has had those injuries the past couple of years.
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post #45 of 56
4/14/04 at 9:53pm
Not *just* a great hitter in my book. Williams, DiMaggio, Musial - just great hitters. Bonds - a great hitter not satisfied with what God gave him.
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post #46 of 56
4/15/04 at 12:49am
You are right that .370 is not a number that can really be judged by steroids. But, everyone is talking about hitting the ball farther in the air. I have NEVER seen a man hit the ball as hard as Bonds does on the ground. NEVER. Those balls slip through the hole just like the fly balls go over the fence. Steroid use is a blight on the league and the records. Everyone said that it was not illegal by the league, but it was illegal by the US government. He not only is breaking records but is breaking the law. I am not saying that Bonds is not a stud. He has been a great player for a long time and has the best plate discipline of any player in the game. But home runs, just like ground balls, are hit harder.

Going back to the original point: it should be a crime to ever interrupt PTI. A CRIME.
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post #47 of 56
4/15/04 at 7:09pm
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
You are definitely underrating Williams, overrating Mantle.
The list was in no particular order. I don't rate all-time baseball players personally, but you RARELY if EVER see Hammerin' Hank mentioned as a "great." Just the other day Kornheiser dismissed his accomplishments by saying he had great "longevity" records.
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post #48 of 56
4/15/04 at 7:22pm
Griffey always played in a great hitter's park... Bonds always played in pitcher's parks.

Advantage: Bonds.

Who's the best left fielder of all time? Bonds, Williams, or Henderson.

I would find it awfully hard to leave Rickey off any all-time team, even for Bonds or Williams. Comments?
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post #49 of 56
4/15/04 at 7:52pm
Rickey Henderson has to be my favorite player of all time (note: I was born in 1982).

He had more power than you'd think during his prime, got on base a ton (he still managed to be above the league average in OBP well into his 40's), and did I mention he also stole a few bases along the way?

People wax poetic on the kind of eye Barry Bonds has, but take a look at Rickeys numbers at lead off. The man had to have the best eye of any player I've ever seen, take away Bonds' IBB's, and I figure Rickey's a good 550 ahead of him.

The man's got 3,000 hits, 2,000 walks, 2,000 runs, and well over a 1,000 stolen bases. We will never see another lead off hitter come close.
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post #50 of 56
4/15/04 at 8:36pm
Gotta remember Williams gave up several prime years to serve in the Marines, and Henderson played well past the day he should've hung 'em up.

Great lead-off man, probably best ever, but no Williams.
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