The ridiculing of Ratner's "Superman would kill Batman" line is unwarranted.......... - Page 2

Actually, I remember now what Stewart said. I'll try to paraphrase it. He was presenting the award for "Best Directing on a Drama Series (or something)", and he said:

"The people in this category have all strived to realize their dream...to get film aproval and LEAVE THE HELL THAT IS EPISODIC TV. [Sounded like that was all that was scripted, then he improv'd a little tag line] But it is just a dream. Sorry. The guy with 3 rap videos just got a 3 picture deal, while you're working on your fifth Tom Arnold pilot."

That was extreme paraphrasing, I can barely remember what my boss told me 5 minutes ago (something about bathroom breaks), much less what was on TV last night.

I think your little hypotheticals are cute.

What seems unfair to me is that when I present case after case of established DCU history showing that the big red boy scout doesn't stand a chance, you dismiss them all with a supposition that Bats didn't REALLY do those things...he was just helped out by the creators of the DCU to make him look more respectable.

How come they didn't do they same for Aquaman? Wonder Woman? Hell....Guy Gardner?!?! (who ALSO got his ass whupped by Bats WHILE he was still a Green Lantern)

The reason is because those characters are not established as the world's greatest detective, which means he is an ace at deductive and cognitive reasoning. In short, his mind is his greatest weapon, with his body close behind.

You keep bringing up these scenarios wherein it only comes down to physical might and the truth is THERE IS NO SUCH SCENARIO. If that was the case, why is Lex Luthor - a non-powered human - his frickin' ARCHENEMY?

We're talking above:

Doomsday.
Darkseid.
The Cyborg.
Mongul.

These are all beings that have the physical might to bitch-slap Supes and put him out on the street to get their money. Yet no one gives Superman as many consistent problems as plain ole' Luthor. According to your logic, Supes is an idiot for not just flying really fast, scooping up Luthor, and depositing him into space to die years ago.

The great thing about comics is that they often emphasize the power and acuity of the mind. While musclebound heroes and villains remain cool, the most effective remain those that use their wits to transcend physical limitations.

Thus, Dr. Doom defeats The Beyonder.

Thus, Batman beats a Green Lantern.

And so on and so on.

This is why the line is not taken out of context. The context is clear. He thinks physical might would remain supreme, and if that's the case, he clearly doesn't understand either character.

Batman didn't have time to prepare to single-handedly engineer the defeat of 6 Supes-powered Martians while also saving the lives of the entire JLA including Superman. He had to improvise, think on his feet, and do the best he could.

And he'd do the exact same if he was called to face Superman on the spur of the moment.

Ratner is right. Superman has real superpowers. Batman has none. Superman would obliterate Batman. It's idiotic to even suggest Batman could last 10 seconds with Supes without kryptonite. And no, I don't give a crap what the comic books cooked up in some lame-ass attempt to make Batman look as powerful as Superman. He's not.

Supers trounces Batman. I've always thought the idea of this movie was silly. But some people want to see it. More power to them. My advice to Batman, go get your kryptonite. That's your only chance.

Now I'm finished with my nerding out. In reality, it doesn't matter.

Nothing like ignoring plenty of evidence to the contrary.

guh....
enough with the "NO WAY!" stuff, this all fantasy anyway.

Bottom line is that both of these characters have been established as heavy hitters. If we're talking about the modern superman and the modern batman i don't think either character has the edge.

When have moderm supes and modern batman gone head to head in the DCU? Dark Knight? It's an elseworlds story. Tower of Babel? That wasn't a fight between Superman and Batman. Did i miss something?

So don't see how Superman would "kill batman" or how there's "no way" batman can lose. This is just Superman Fanboy vs. Batman fanboy talk.

Thus, it is even.
...and don't you get it? It's got to be. There both heroes, they're both icons with huge followings. There will never be a clear winner if for some reason they fought.

Right. There is no way to prove it. I mean, it's not like Bats kicked Big Blue's ass seven ways to sunday in Dark Knight Returns, or like he had papers containing ways to defeat every single member of the JLA that Rhas Al'Gul used against them. Obviously, it's just stuff that DC made up.

Fact is, yes Batman is the bigger man, it has been proven time and again in this thread. And Ratner doesn't know shit about these things, because guess what, he doesn't fucking care about comics!!! All he cares about is that directing a Supes flick will look good on his resume. Yet you choose to ignore that and maintain that he just stated an opinion and maybe is the right guy for the job. Hope you enjoy the upcoming disaster pal.

You guys make my happy.

At least somepeople know thier comic book heroes and villians.

Get the CHUD Cenobite Van up and running boys, we've got a town to invade in CA.

I can see it now................

SUPERMAN : 'Batman, I could kill you in an instant, what with my speed and strength'

BATMAN : 'Yeah sure Supes, but I knew you would try to kill me some time ago. So I'm wearing my Kryptonite studded boots, so I can kick you in your Supergonads'

SUPERMAN : 'Ah, but they are made of steel, so you will probably shatter your foot!'

BATMAN : 'Well, perhaps. But, I also have a gun, loaded with Kryptonite bullets, so I'll just shoot you in the face.'

LONG PAUSE

SUPERMAN : 'I thought you never used guns!'

BATMAN : 'Well, I thought you could never willfully kill anyone'.

SUPERMAN : 'Hey, you're right Batty!'

BATMAN : 'Yeah, you too! Fuck this!'

SUPERMAN AND BATMAN HUG AND WALK OFF INTO THE SUNSET.

Good lord. Some of what I'm reading here is making me sick. Wannabe fans and pseudo-comic experts.

I've read comics since the 60's, and there is no way in hell that Batman would beat Superman. Fuck all that stupid Dark Knight crap they did in the 80's. Modern comics since that time have sucked and have put forth the most idiotic "continuity" such as Spiderman knocking out Firelord, which is as illogical and insane as anything I've ever read.

And for the pseudo-experts who insist that Batman would never kill or use a gun, try reading the fucking classics and not just the modern garbage. In the Golden Age, Batman DID use a gun, and he DID kill people. eek!

DC has pumped up Batman beyond the unbelievable level just because he's one of their biggest properties. Batman was never supposed to be that powerful. If Batman is smart enough to take out Superman, then sheer logic tells us that a villain who is obviously many times smarter than Batman (Braniac, Luthor, etc) would have killed off Superman long ago. Luthor and Braniac are many times smarter than Batman (Braniac is several magnitudes above genius level), and they've dedicated their lives to offing Superman, but they always fail. A much less intelligent Batman has no chance at all.

The so-called "experts" here have also obviously never read anything earlier than the modern shit they seem to rely on so heavily, because in the earlier ages of comics (Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age), Superman often won by using his scientific knowledge. People seem to forget (or worse have never read) that Superman has a monstrous scientific lab in his Fortress of Solitude. Alien technology. Superman is super-intelligent. Moreso than Batman, because Superman has a grasp not only of human technology, but alien technology as well. Batman stands no chance. Even in the brains department, Superman wins. Maybe if people tried reading the classics instead of just modern crap, they'd have a clue. Superman was ALWAYS inventing and using highly advanced technology and beating villains with creative, highly intelligent methods. In fact, Superman probably beat more villains through super-intelligence than Batman did. If you've read the comics, you'd know that.

And before some moron calls me a Superman fan, let me say I HATE superman. He's easily my least favorite superhero of all time. Give me Batman over him any time, or better yet Spiderman or Thor. But in much the same way that having Spiderman beat Firelord is idiotic, having Batman beat Superman is equally idiotic.

Superman is virtually invulnerable, he has super strength, super speed, super endurance, and super intelligence. Ignoring all that, he beats Batman for two reasons. His endurance is super-human...where Batman needs to sleep, Superman can go for MUCH longer periods of time without sleep. He also moves way too fast for Batman to cope with him. No need for him to move at light speed...if Superman just moves 10 times faster than the fastest human, he's still below the speed of sound but he'd still be little more than a blur to Batman, who could never move quick enough to combat that.

Anyone can find idiotic examples in comics from any time period to argue their point because continuity (especially at DC) sucks. But a real comic fan looks at the premise of the issue and realizes that Batman was not designed to be the type of character who can take out Superman, nor does the idea make any sense when and if you lok over the characters from their beginnings onward instead of ignoring the classics and focusing on modern garbage.

Well, I thought that was pretty cute. Thank you, Count Yorga.

attack of the 's!

"Gar, you damn kids! I've been reading comics since the 60's and look at me now! Where's my pills?! Nurse? NURSE!"

Really, Count Yorga, I thought it was great.

"Besides, you see that guy, way he acts, way he talks, he thinks is a goddamned comic nerd specialists. And comics nerds specialists is always fun."