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post #1 of 28
5/3/04 at 2:17pm
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In the "other vampires" thread, people mentioned how tired certain ideas have gotten (vampires and vampire hunters) or might get (zombies).

So here's a two-part question:

1) What do you think is getting tired? (e.g., "vs." movies or zombies)

2) What would you like to see be the "new thing" that replaces the tired things?
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post #2 of 28
5/3/04 at 2:29pm

Re: new... subgenres(?)

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Originally posted by ap Oweyn
1) What do you think is getting tired? (e.g., "vs." movies or zombies)
Well, "vs" movies was never a good idea to begin with. At least not in my eye. Just seems like you're cashing in on a rabid fan boy's imagination and often times spoiling a fantasy that should be left alone. Case in point "Freddy vs Jason". Sometimes it is better to speculate how things will turn out, rather than setting them in stone.

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2) What would you like to see be the "new thing" that replaces the tired things?
Don't get ya on that question. Care to expand?
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post #3 of 28
5/3/04 at 2:33pm
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Originally posted by billylove
Well, "vs" movies was never a good idea to begin with. At least not in my eye. Just seems like you're cashing in on a rabid fan boy's imagination and often times spoiling a fantasy that should be left alone. Case in point "Freddy vs Jason". Sometimes it is better to speculate how things will turn out, rather than setting them in stone.
Haven't seen it. I just noticed that you've got AvP coming up (which I'm looking forward to actually) and lots of talk about Pinhead taking on Michael Myers, etc.

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Don't get ya on that question. Care to expand?
If you're fed up with zombies and vampires, what would you like instead? More giant insect movies? More old-fashioned haunting movies? Alien parasites? Whatever you like.
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post #4 of 28
5/3/04 at 2:40pm
I think it always works in waves. You get a certain amount of movies in a sub-genre, get tired, leave it for a while then get back to it later, like it again, get bored, same thing all over again.
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post #5 of 28
5/3/04 at 2:44pm

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Originally posted by ap Oweyn
1) What do you think is getting tired? (e.g., "vs." movies or zombies)
Even though that subgenre has thankfully disappeared in DTV hell there's still too many slasher flicks being made. They all suck. Quit trying.

Vampires. There are only 23754876473256376215339455 movies in that subgenre already and it's really, really, really high time to just let it go. And put a bullet in Anne Rice's ugly mug to boot.

Nature amok. It's a potentially kick-ass genre but there's so much inane drivel being made (thanks Sci-Fi Channel) I have long lost interest. And why the fuck does it always have to be sharks, spiders or crocs? How about some variety?

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Originally posted by ap Oweyn
2) What would you like to see be the "new thing" that replaces the tired things?
There really should be more midgets, hermaphrodites and monkeys in horror movies.
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post #6 of 28
5/3/04 at 2:44pm

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Originally posted by ap Oweyn

If you're fed up with zombies and vampires, what would you like instead? More giant insect movies? More old-fashioned haunting movies? Alien parasites? Whatever you like.
I'd say I've always had a fear of parasites, so more parasite movies is always good. More alien movies. And of course my favorite type of movie is sci-fi/horror.

Ghost movies? Nah. I've never had a fear of ghosts or anything like that. But possession movies have always been interesting, granted they don't try to OD on religious theology.

More zombies? Hell, yea!!!

Vampires? Yeah, just as long as you get away from metrosexual vampires and all that goth crap. (No offense to those that like that. I just think it's tired.)
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post #7 of 28
5/3/04 at 2:50pm
I'm up for some giant insect movies. What was the last one even remotely like that? Eight Legged Freaks?

(Yes, I know spiders aren't insects. Put your guns back in their holsters, semantics hunters)
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post #8 of 28
5/3/04 at 2:53pm
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Originally posted by Populationrob
I'm up for some giant insect movies. What was the last one even remotely like that? Eight Legged Freaks?

(Yes, I know spiders aren't insects. Put your guns back in their holsters, semantics hunters)
Giant spiders will never get tired, to my mind.

Not to say that they can't be poorly done. Spiders and Spiders 2 were both completely awful.
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post #9 of 28
5/3/04 at 3:06pm
I was thinking about the versus subgenre and specifically AVP. It seems that only when the specific vehicle has become tired, then its okay to make that film. My problem is, who decided Predator was washed up? There were only two films...who wouldn't want to see another straight-up Preadtor action flick?

I think the idea of "something" taking over the world is a pretty fun subgenre. Be it a post-apocalyptic fight for survival or a DotD "what the hell is going on" type of flick. I'd like to see more offshoots of that. Maybe not zombies, maybe some other creature...
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post #10 of 28
5/3/04 at 3:11pm
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Demons. I'd like to see more demons movies myself. Steeped in as much or as little real-world religion as people see fit. (I don't want to be preached to, but at the same time there's some fascinating stuff kicking around in Judeo-Christian theology.)

The Fallen was a good example.

Angels too (being related to demons). The original Prophecy was a good flick. After that... not so much.
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post #11 of 28
5/3/04 at 3:18pm
Horror movies need more Steven Segal


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post #12 of 28
5/3/04 at 3:19pm
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Originally posted by bunnymud wants tacos
Horror movies need more Steven Segal
Gah! I think there's just a little more Steven Seagal every time I see that guy. Usually around the waistline.
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post #13 of 28
5/3/04 at 5:47pm
I think Van Damnit is really Kuato

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post #14 of 28
5/4/04 at 12:58am
I'm getting real tired of the "good ghost that seems bad at first" genre. You know the one: the ghost actually is just seeking retribution on the person who murdered them . . . who just so happens to be one of the other supporting characters in the film.
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post #15 of 28
5/4/04 at 10:30am
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Originally posted by Malachi Constant
What's interesting is when you correlate Seagal's weight gain and Van Damme's loss of brain cells. It's uncanny.
One day, each will reach critical mass. Van Damme's head will become an intellectual black hole, that will take intelligent thought and crush it like empty beer cans. And Seagal, the immovable object, will... continue to empty the beer cans.
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post #16 of 28
5/4/04 at 10:32am
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Originally posted by Malachi Constant
Yeah, What Lies Beneath totally sucked ass. So did Feardotcom.

I did, however, like how The Ring took that convention and turned it on it's ear in the last 30 minutes.
Seconded.

Gotta agree with Ratty as well that it's getting tired. Gothika falls into that category as well (though I think Gothika was still fairly well done).
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post #17 of 28
5/4/04 at 10:46am

Re: new... subgenres(?)

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Originally posted by ap Oweyn
In the "other vampires" thread, people mentioned how tired certain ideas have gotten (vampires and vampire hunters) or might get (zombies).

So here's a two-part question:

1) What do you think is getting tired? (e.g., "vs." movies or zombies)
Sub-genres of any kind. Also, sequels (especially in the form of endless retreads of once-excellent original movies).

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2) What would you like to see be the "new thing" that replaces the tired things?
Originality, intelligence, an understanding of the best qualities of the best work in the genre, a unique and compelling personal vision, an actual sense of humor that doesn't diminish the seriousness or the scares instead of the usual woeful "horror-comedy" formula, a willingness to take risks, a willingness to take the necessary time and space to tell a story and not just throw a bunch of "lookie mee!" scenes at the audience to distract 'em from how bored they're getting....
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post #18 of 28
5/4/04 at 10:58am
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Originally posted by Living Dead Milkman
Sub-genres of any kind. Also, sequels (especially in the form of endless retreads of once-excellent original movies).
Well, that practice has recently produced two films that, by and large, are also considered excellent. So I can't find too much fault with that practice.

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Originality, intelligence, an understanding of the best qualities of the best work in the genre, a unique and compelling personal vision, an actual sense of humor that doesn't diminish the seriousness or the scares instead of the usual woeful "horror-comedy" formula, a willingness to take risks, a willingness to take the necessary time and space to tell a story and not just throw a bunch of "lookie mee!" scenes at the audience to distract 'em from how bored they're getting....
This is a statement (or rant) about quality though. Not subject.
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post #19 of 28
5/4/04 at 11:29am

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Originally posted by ap Oweyn
Well, that practice has recently produced two films that, by and large, are also considered excellent. So I can't find too much fault with that practice.
Well, that would be 2 excellent films out of too many to think of that struggle to reach some minimum level of tolerable mediocrity, so the point still stands.

Also, those 2 excellent films happened to be directed by the same talent who put together the great first movie, while the idea apparently still inspired him enough to do quality work with it, so this doesn't apply to the general case at all.

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This is a statement (or rant) about quality though. Not subject.
Of course, because quality is what matters after all.
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post #20 of 28
5/4/04 at 11:34am
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Originally posted by Living Dead Milkman
Well, that would be 2 excellent films out of too many to think of that struggle to reach some minimum level of tolerable mediocrity, so the point still stands.
No doubt. It also reinforces your point that it's bad execution (and not simply the fact that it's a sequel or remake) that leads to problems.

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Also, those 2 excellent films happened to be directed by the same talent who put together the great first movie, while the idea apparently still inspired him enough to do quality work with it, so this doesn't apply to the general case at all.
I'm a little unclear on the talent we're referring to. I was talking about Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Dawn of the Dead. Is that what you're talking about as well? If so, I'm afraid I don't know what talent you're referring to.

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Of course, because quality is what matters after all.
Quality does matter. No question. But I was more curious about subject matter people wanted to see. Not so much about how Hollywood sucks. (Though I certainly see your point.)


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post #21 of 28
5/4/04 at 11:35am
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Originally posted by Ratty
I'm getting real tired of the "good ghost that seems bad at first" genre. You know the one: the ghost actually is just seeking retribution on the person who murdered them . . . who just so happens to be one of the other supporting characters in the film.

Would Stir of Echos fall into that catagory


just wondering...I have my opinion
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post #22 of 28
5/4/04 at 11:38am
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Originally posted by bunnymud wants tacos
Would Stir of Echos fall into that catagory


just wondering...I have my opinion
My opinion: Yes. But it was well done. That's the thing. As LDM has just pointed out, there's a lot of rubbish. And few standouts. The combination makes a subgenre (I suppose). If all we had was one or two standouts (The Sixth Sense and Stir of Echoes for example), that wouldn't really constitute anything except two good movies. But all the stuff (good and bad) that snowballs from that is a different matter.

In my opinion, anyway.


Stuart
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post #23 of 28
5/4/04 at 1:48pm
1. Tired-Teenagers getting attacked by a monster/serial killer.

2. Next Big Thing-PROMINENT ROMANCE, NOT TACKED ON.
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post #24 of 28
5/4/04 at 1:50pm
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Originally posted by Countess Anna loves Aussie Dracula
1. Tired-Teenagers getting attacked by a monster/serial killer.

2. Next Big Thing-PROMINENT ROMANCE, NOT TACKED ON.
Huh. There's an answer I hadn't seen coming. Any good examples of prominent romance?
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post #25 of 28
5/4/04 at 1:53pm
Van Helsing-There's the whole "Reluctantly falling for one another" deal with Abe and Anna, and Drackt being the main seductive force that tries to tear them apart.

There was also a made-for-video about a Vampyr whose re-incarnated lover was married to an abusive husband, and he would do anything to save her from it. Can't remember the name, though...

But they should really get some of these out of the Direct-To-Video mold.
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post #26 of 28
5/4/04 at 2:01pm
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Groovy. Nice addition.
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post #27 of 28
5/4/04 at 8:51pm
New Subspecies? I can't wait.
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post #28 of 28
5/19/04 at 7:14pm
You know what I'm sick of?

I love Werewolves. And I like Vampires.

I'm sick of the good guys always feakin' winning!!! For once I wanna see the creatures win in the end. And I don't mean a good guy werewolf or a good guy vampire either.

Well, that's probably why I've developed my own werewolf series.

And you know what else I'm sick of?

Movies where the bad guy kidnaps the girl as a hostage. Or Jason or Micheal or Pinhead have a captive woman, and they do nothing but kill them or they get away.

For once I'd like to see Jason fuck the bitch he's caught instead of just kill her. I know "rape" can be a touch subject, but hell, it's a freakin' movie people.

I think the closest we've come recently is Freddy vs Jason where the camp counsolors are getting it on and it turns into Freddy.

Although a good old example is Basketcase. Where the little creature dude kills his brother's girlfriend and then starts humping her. Don't know if little dude hand a winnie, but he sure was trying.
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