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Homage or Rip Off?

post #1 of 18
6/2/04 at 9:04pm
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Watching The Beyond for the first time (thanks Rich) I realised I'd seen the end before... in The Dead Hate The Living.

'What do we do now?'
'We try to live...'

Tense, sure that whole film was a Fulci fan, um, thing but it got me thinking about other flicks with wink wink references. Do you like them/ think they suck? What's your favourite?

Let me know, Cheers.



Edited to say that i'm aware there may have been a thread on this in the past but i'd rather cry for attention than ressurrect and old one. Tak!
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post #2 of 18
6/3/04 at 7:53am
My vote goes for:

Untalented fanboy rip-off with delusions of doing it better than the established masters.
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post #3 of 18
6/3/04 at 8:20am
I don't mind little "in-jokes." Subtle stuff like the Hills Have Eyes poster in Evil Dead and such. But [and I haven't seen The Dead Hate The Living] if it's that blatant, it's a little much. To rip off an entire ending... well...
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post #4 of 18
6/3/04 at 10:24am
whoa, and here was poor old me thinking the only passable thing about that movie was the ending. Turns out it's line by line Fulci? Ah well, time to investigate him a bit more then. But fuck the unoriginal hacks though
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post #5 of 18
6/3/04 at 10:42am
Hated "The Dead Have a General Dislike for the Living"



But as for rip-off or homage.......I'll have to say "homage"



Homage
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post #6 of 18
6/3/04 at 3:57pm
Captain Kirk & Teh U-Boat Captain @ HOUSE OF TEH DEAD =
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post #7 of 18
6/3/04 at 7:39pm
I thought this might be a thread about 28 Days Later.
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post #8 of 18
6/3/04 at 8:03pm
The rip-off homage that gets me pissed off is the "cubing" in Resident Evil. To have the nerve to rip-off Cube in such a short time from its release is beyond forgiveness. Even if he says its an homage, it's just bullshit. He ripped off the movie, then someone caught him, so suddenly its an homage. Bullshit.
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post #9 of 18
6/3/04 at 8:25pm
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Originally posted by Eyebulb - Head of Obfuscation
The rip-off homage that gets me pissed off is the "cubing" in Resident Evil. To have the nerve to rip-off Cube in such a short time from its release is beyond forgiveness. Even if he says its an homage, it's just bullshit. He ripped off the movie, then someone caught him, so suddenly its an homage. Bullshit.
Wasn't it Picasso who said 'good artists copy, great artists steal'? And I've also heard 'creativity doesn't exist in a vacuum', too. I mean, I'm sure it comes down to a matter of decorum -- certainly in the case of parody or such, but you can easily trace influences in any kind of art.
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post #10 of 18
6/3/04 at 8:46pm
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Wasn't it Picasso who said 'good artists copy, great artists steal'? And I've also heard 'creativity doesn't exist in a vacuum', too. I mean, I'm sure it comes down to a matter of decorum -- certainly in the case of parody or such, but you can easily trace influences in any kind of art.
Sorry for the confusion. I tend to not be as articulate when emotion gets in the way of my typing. Please refer to my previous post where I state the following: Bullshit.
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post #11 of 18
6/3/04 at 8:56pm
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Originally posted by Eyebulb - Head of Obfuscation
Sorry for the confusion. I tend to not be as articulate when emotion gets in the way of my typing. Please refer to my previous post where I state the following: Bullshit.
Dude, you are SO ripping yourself off.
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post #12 of 18
6/4/04 at 3:23am
Well the thing about Cube is that only four people ever saw it, and three of those fell asleep, so RE was bringing the trick to a wider audience. No problem there.

I don't mind the odd rip-off with a few conditions - the rip-offer has to bring something new to it and/or the rip-off should come from a bad movie, because sometimes good ideas are wasted in bad movies.

Which relates to my theory that hollywood needs to stop trying to remake great movies - they need to remake the terrible movies that had good concepts.

Dogg.
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post #13 of 18
6/4/04 at 5:49am
There is the subtle type of reference ie. a film's name on a theater marquee in a scene, or, an older film seen in the background on a TV screen (DONNIE DARKO, HALLOWEEEN respectively ) ...

On the other hand, you have the type in which you get the sinking feeling of "I've seen this before" , and it distracts from and/or kills a film .... see: HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES - it's one thing to take inspiration from by Hitchcock or Kurosawa ( which I wish more filmmakers would ) but when the viewer says "I've seen this exact sequence before, in a P Diddy video", well, that is lame .....
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post #14 of 18
6/4/04 at 7:25am
I have no problem with "tribute" nor, actually do I have a real problem with a "rip off," but it's the way it's presented.

Don't rip off a movie and present it as if it was your own fresh idea.

That's what the makers, oh sorry...hacks, of Dead Don't Mind the Living did...

they ran around (and watch the behind the scenes/listen to the commentary on DVD) with the smug superior attitude that they were so hip and cool, and they were (and I quote: ) "Such big horror fans."

Why is it that self proclaimed horror fans always end up being the filmmakers without original ideas?

And original ideas aren't the best thing in the world especially:

You can take an already established idea and make it your own.


But to rip off Fulci and call it brand new is just stupid...

especially when Fulci was ripping off long before those people were even ejaculated into their mothers puzzy.
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post #15 of 18
6/4/04 at 9:19am
Folks fell asleep in Cube ? Did thinking hurt their Ralph Wiggum-brains ?

Damn that Natali for having protracted intellience, damn him to Hades.
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post #16 of 18
6/4/04 at 9:28am
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Originally posted by Eyebulb - Head of Obfuscation
The rip-off homage that gets me pissed off is the "cubing" in Resident Evil. To have the nerve to rip-off Cube in such a short time from its release is beyond forgiveness. Even if he says its an homage, it's just bullshit. He ripped off the movie, then someone caught him, so suddenly its an homage. Bullshit.
If that can make it any better for you, Anderson and Natali are good friends in real life...
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post #17 of 18
6/4/04 at 6:46pm
The dead hate the living is a complete Homage to Fulci? How could you not realize that one? The Mention of Warbeck, the Fulci Lives sticker, The Penis Flytrap Video? Why would there be any question about it?
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post #18 of 18
6/6/04 at 6:33pm
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If that can make it any better for you, Anderson and Natali are good friends in real life...
My comment wasn't a jab towards Anderson in particular, I like the guy's films. In fact, as much as this might destroy any credibility I may have from this point on, Mortal Combat is one of those movies I always watch all the way through whenever its on. I just think there definately wasn't enough time in between movies to play the "homage" card.
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