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post #1 of 35
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Every other day I want a movie where some psycho/alien/demon goes about skinning its human victims. Sometimes there are even scenes where he/she/it cuts into the victim and peels the skin away. And that just pisses me off. Because that's just plain unrealistic and stupid.

When I was in my self-destructive phase I once cut a triagle of into my left forearm and then tried to just peel away the skin like I had seen it done in the movies. But of course it didn't work that way. You have to grab one flab of skin and then cut close to it to it to get it loose from the muscle tissue beneath. When you finally get it loose you have chunks of meat still attached to the piece of skin and not some tidy piece of leather or something. It also takes much longer then it does in the movies but maybe that's because I was inexperienced.

Sometime later I had the pleasure to attend an autopsy that one of my med student friends performed and could see that it's exactly the same when dealing with a dead body.

So how am I supposed to watch stuff like HELLRAISER without ? I hope they at least got it right for IN MY SKIN, a movie that I haven't seen yet but which is supposedly very accurate when it comes to depicting that kind of self mutilation.
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post #3 of 35

Re: Skinning humans ...

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Originally posted by Wetbones
You have to grab one flab of skin and then cut close to it to it to get it loose from the muscle tissue beneath. When you finally get it loose you have chunks of meat still attached to the piece of skin and not some tidy piece of leather or something. It also takes much longer then it does in the movies but maybe that's because I was inexperienced.
Slowly... backs... away....
post #4 of 35
I know what you mean wetbones. You have to keep cutting as you pull back the skin. it doesn't peel like an orange. Thats why removing a face is tough because it takes alot of time and patience. Lots of tendons and muscle that are very attached. Its all about your toolkit!!
post #5 of 35
Thread Starter 
Exactly. That's why it's so annoying when in like TCM2 or DAGON they cut off a face in one minute. To get it right you'd have to take your time. I'd say 15 to 30 minutes if you want to get the eyebrows and eyelashes as well as maybe the lips intact. Also the cheeks are VERY tricky because the tissue beneath is very thin and if you're not careful you can damage your future skinmask.
post #6 of 35
DAGON as a cool face peeling scene, take that you old wino...
post #7 of 35
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Originally posted by Wetbones
Exactly. That's why it's so annoying when in like TCM2 or DAGON they cut off a face in one minute. To get it right you'd have to take your time. I'd say 15 to 30 minutes if you want to get the eyebrows and eyelashes as well as maybe the lips intact. Also the cheeks are VERY tricky because the tissue beneath is very thin and if you're not careful you can damage your future skinmask.
If you've got a sharp knife use to filet things and you've got your technique down I'm sure you could cut (ha ha ha) that time down to a couple of minutes...
post #8 of 35
Thread Starter 
None of the above. I usually keep them in my appartment until they begin to stink, then I cut them up and flush the parts down the toilet. It's really messy but extremely effective because you don't have to drag the corpse around and risk getting caught (literally) redhanded.

I usually start with the head. First I cut it off, which is not that hard. You have to insert the knife between two of the spine's carpals and wedge them apart. That works better than, say, hacking the thing off with an axe. Once I have the whole thing seperated from the rest of the body I boil the flesh off the skull and flush that first before I crack the skull into small enough pieces and do the same. Basically I do the whole body like that. Cut it into sizeable pieces, boil the flesh off the bones and saw/hammer the bones down to the proper size. I guess it can be annoying and hard work for some of us but for me it's really part of the whole and I usually get so into it that I have sex with the body parts and also eat some of the meat.

If you have any further questions, just let me know!

Tata,

Wetbones.

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post #10 of 35
Suspension of disbelief...
post #11 of 35
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Originally posted by Cosmoline
It takes the sharpest of all razor blades to cut into neck skin.
Well, I think the point here is that stabbing (puncturing) is much easier than it is to cut. Also, a nice bit of piano wire makes a fine garotte -- sawing into the neck is easy as well.
post #12 of 35
Some of you might have issues.

post #13 of 35
You know, it's a shame that the terrorist-type people who beheaded Nick Berg didn't have Wetbones on the sidelines to advise.
post #14 of 35
Excuse me while I slowly walk away to puke in the corner......
post #15 of 35
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Originally posted by biff
You know, it's a shame that the terrorist-type people who beheaded Nick Berg didn't have Wetbones on the sidelines to advise.
They would have definitely needed an advisor because as it is it's fairly obvious that the whole thing was staged. There's a lot about the Nick Berg snuff tape that isn't adding up, and it's not only the death. The 'terrorist' with the notes constantly gets lost, and flips them around like he's confused. If he could read the papers, wouldn't he know exactly where his place was? Or was it some loser who doesn't even read Arabic? Another fun thing is how Nick Berg never moves during the bit where they're reading the papers. I can accept that, even facing death, a man may not cry, or shit his pants, or try to crawl away. But the fact that he's just hangin' out, white as a sheet, doesn't bode well with me. Could be that he was fed a few pounds of valium before the incident. Why the hell would terrorists want their already bound victim so calm? More importantly, why does the time code skip around like a fuckin' bitch? The first shot we see of Berg speaking is at 13:26:24. Then it jumps to 2:16:33. Then, he's on the floor, bound, at 2:40:33 and plays until 2:44:11. Then, it jumps to 13:45:47 to 13:45:53, when it shows him on the ground, being cut. Then, it jumps ahead AGAIN to 13:44:59, and plays out until 13:46:33. Then, it jumps to 13:47:47, at which point the decapitators identity clearly switches to the guy in a white hood, minus his vest. Unless the killers swapped hoods at this point. Which is just silly. So, they got the footage of Nick Berg saying "I have a mother, and father, and brother and sister" half an hour BEFORE dragging him down, interrogated (or whatever) him for 11 HOURS, made him say "My name is Nick Berg", and then put him back on the floor and cut his head off. Why? This is the timecode logic alone. I won't mention the killers not saying anything about who they are, or for what reason they did this. I won't get in to the fact that the walls, floor, and chair he's in do bear a striking resemblance to Abu-Gahrib. And I won't even start in on the fact that it would be VERY difficult to saw through someone's spine in... Lessee... 13:45:47 to 13:47:46... 2 minutes, including the knife clearly switching hands somewhere. Why, the fuck, would terrorists making a video to freak people out cut the most vulgar, vile part of the execution out? That's almost as asanine as NBC's ruling that on a show like Fear Factor, you can show a person eating live spiders or rotten egg sacs or bull penis, but you can't show them upchucking it after the fact.
post #16 of 35
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post #17 of 35
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Originally posted by alice's girl (chucky's ex)
Some of you might have issues.

Issues? I think some of them might have a lifetime subscription.
post #18 of 35
who ever your skinning should be moved from right side up to upside down every half and hour or so. the blood rushing will make the viens expand then collapse, as soon as the vien collapse's you can use this to your advantage and peel the skin alittle easier.(you'll know when to do thing by cutting as soon as the skin goes from purple to normal pigmentation.) and yes, that is true, i read it in a medical book while studing torture metheds for a project.
post #19 of 35
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Originally posted by HellSpawn
DAGON as a cool face peeling scene, take that you old wino...
That scene made me roll my eyes because it's exactly what Wetbones is talking about, hasn't anyone tried to peel the skin off a raw piece of chicken? It sticks and you have to slice the connecting muscle tissue to get it off. You couldn't just cut neat little circles around the persons head then peel. Another thing that pisses me off is when they show people getting cut in a movie they immediately show blood welling up the second the knife touches. Unless you hit a fucking artery or something it doesn't happen that way, at first it's just an empty gash, it takes awhile for the blood to come.

It's important for people to try to depict these things as realisticly as possible, considering the budgets some movies have they can at least portray mutilation and death accurately.
post #20 of 35
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Originally posted by Wetbones
They would have definitely needed an advisor because as it is it's fairly obvious that the whole thing was staged. There's a lot about the Nick Berg snuff tape that isn't adding up, and it's not only the death. The 'terrorist' with the notes constantly gets lost, and flips them around like he's confused. If he could read the papers, wouldn't he know exactly where his place was? Or was it some loser who doesn't even read Arabic? Another fun thing is how Nick Berg never moves during the bit where they're reading the papers. I can accept that, even facing death, a man may not cry, or shit his pants, or try to crawl away. But the fact that he's just hangin' out, white as a sheet, doesn't bode well with me. Could be that he was fed a few pounds of valium before the incident. Why the hell would terrorists want their already bound victim so calm? More importantly, why does the time code skip around like a fuckin' bitch? The first shot we see of Berg speaking is at 13:26:24. Then it jumps to 2:16:33. Then, he's on the floor, bound, at 2:40:33 and plays until 2:44:11. Then, it jumps to 13:45:47 to 13:45:53, when it shows him on the ground, being cut. Then, it jumps ahead AGAIN to 13:44:59, and plays out until 13:46:33. Then, it jumps to 13:47:47, at which point the decapitators identity clearly switches to the guy in a white hood, minus his vest. Unless the killers swapped hoods at this point. Which is just silly. So, they got the footage of Nick Berg saying "I have a mother, and father, and brother and sister" half an hour BEFORE dragging him down, interrogated (or whatever) him for 11 HOURS, made him say "My name is Nick Berg", and then put him back on the floor and cut his head off. Why? This is the timecode logic alone. I won't mention the killers not saying anything about who they are, or for what reason they did this. I won't get in to the fact that the walls, floor, and chair he's in do bear a striking resemblance to Abu-Gahrib. And I won't even start in on the fact that it would be VERY difficult to saw through someone's spine in... Lessee... 13:45:47 to 13:47:46... 2 minutes, including the knife clearly switching hands somewhere. Why, the fuck, would terrorists making a video to freak people out cut the most vulgar, vile part of the execution out? That's almost as asanine as NBC's ruling that on a show like Fear Factor, you can show a person eating live spiders or rotten egg sacs or bull penis, but you can't show them upchucking it after the fact.
I found all that rather interesting too, I wouldn't be surprised if it was faked. The Americans really needed something to take the heat off after the prison abuse scandals and it's strange how this video was conveniently released right when they needed it.

One thing that struck me though was the way the guys body convulsed when they grabbed him and during the first moment when the blade touched him, the way his body was moving I'm not sure if that could be faked, it looked like a real adrenaline fueled knee jerk reaction and I'm not sure even the best actor could mimic something like that.
post #21 of 35
Look at you fucking novices talking about skinning and destroying the bodies.

Skinning, well that's a cool part of this discussion, but what I really have issues with is the few posts that deal with body disposal.

Anyone worth their weight in salt knows the real way to get rid of a body is to eat it.

or failing you have the intestinal fortitude to feed on your work I recommend, and I quote:

"You're always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together.

And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it?
Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead.
You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shit, now do you?
They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm.
They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes.
That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute.
Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig."
post #22 of 35
Thread Starter 
That is all well and good but what about us urban mass murderers? I'm not even allowed to keep a cat or a friggin parrot in my flat so how should I go about keeping a herd of pigs? Thing is, most psychos are big city dwellers and while your advice is good it just doesn't cut it in these areas ...
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post #24 of 35
While I don't get to visit all that much, it's threads like this that insure the Killings will always have my top bookmark spot (you know what home is).
post #25 of 35
Wetbones, all you need is a knife and a fork and there's no real need for pigs.

You can dispose of however many you can eat.
post #26 of 35
You might also need a pretty good freezer since the body begins to rot after 72 hours or fewer.
post #27 of 35
Color me disturbed.
post #28 of 35
I think I'm severly twisted cause I had a shit eating grin on my face rading this thread.

IMHO the best way to dispose of a body is to use a wood chipper. Then mix in with some dry wood and burn away. If you get the right mixture you can have a nice little fire with not too much smoke. Then dispose of the ashes by mixing with some cement or dirt to use in landscaping.
post #29 of 35

About Nick Berg

Theres no blood. That entire room and everyone in it woul;d be covered in blood. He was already dead
post #30 of 35
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Originally posted by OahuSilverado
You might also need a pretty good freezer since the body begins to rot after 72 hours or fewer.
It is of the utmost importance to remove your victim's internal organs ASAP if you want to keep him/her around for a while after death. The bacteria in the intestinal tract will kick start decomposition as soon as the body dies and if you don't remove them along with the organs that harbour them you'll find yourself in the company of a bloated human sausage within a day or two.

The best way to do it IMO is to make an incision in the lower belly and drag everything out that way, including the lungs. It doesn't ruin the beauty of the body the way a cut from cervix to sternum would. Then dispose of the vile stuff and have fun with your corpse!
post #31 of 35
Oh, suck it up and eat Eat EAT!!!
post #32 of 35
Man, Farmer Vincent and I have it so easy out here.... there are hundreds of abandoned mineshafts withing a half hour drive of Phoenix city limits. They don't even have to be bound, gagged, or even dead.. just take what you need and give the rest a little push.
post #33 of 35
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Originally posted by BruceL
Man, Farmer Vincent and I have it so easy out here.... there are hundreds of abandoned mineshafts withing a half hour drive of Phoenix city limits. They don't even have to be bound, gagged, or even dead.. just take what you need and give the rest a little push.
Spelunkers will find the bodies, at some point in time.
post #34 of 35
I second the eating of the body. Just cut the meat up into unrecognizeable portions and invite all your friends, co-workers and neighbors over for a Bar-B-Q. Just tell them it's pork. At least that's what it tastes like anyway.
post #35 of 35

Re: About Nick Berg

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Originally posted by Altar
Theres no blood. That entire room and everyone in it woul;d be covered in blood. He was already dead
Heheh, that's sort of what I was referring to when I mentioned that those guys needed Wetbones on staff. Just not convincing or authentic -- two big thumbs DOWN, here.
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