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The greatest and most disturbing artist ever!

post #1 of 118
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This guy makes H.R. Giger and Joel Peter Widtkin look like total pussies!

Check out his gallery here:

http://fx.sakura.ne.jp/~sympow/poiso...ryuz/index.cgi

His name is Waita Uziga and he's published 6 volumes of manga to date, all of which are snuff/torture themed. Highly recommended if you can stomach this kind of stuff (some of it makes even me feel rather queasy) but sadly only available in Japanese for now.
post #2 of 118
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You are definitely right that it takes away from the shock value. But then again if you read some of his stories you'll be glad it's a comic and not more realistic. In his latest anthology he has a story about a slave girl who gets pregnant by her captor. When she's in her 9th month of pregancy he cuts her open, rips out the fetus, rapes the unborn baby while the girl begs for its life. Then he puts it in a blender, mixes it until it's just mush and then proceeds to pour the remains out in front of the crying woman. Really upbeat, life-afirming stuff!
post #3 of 118
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Originally posted by Wetbones
You are definitely right that it takes away from the shock value. But then again if you read some of his stories you'll be glad it's a comic and not more realistic. In his latest anthology he has a story about a slave girl who gets pregnant by her captor. When she's in her 9th month of pregancy he cuts her open, rips out the fetus, rapes the unborn baby while the girl begs for its life. Then he puts it in a blender, mixes it until it's just mush and then proceeds to pour the remains out in front of the crying woman. Really upbeat, life-afirming stuff!
Alright... I could handle the illustrations, but that's just fucking sick.
post #4 of 118
Well that was somewhat unsettling.
post #5 of 118
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Originally posted by Malachi Constant
That stuff sounds like it has all the depth and complexity of a Guinea Pigs flick.
And it most likely appeals to the same audience as well. It amuses me that even the most hardcore horror fans have their limits of what they can enjoy and what is "sick". For me, as long as it isn't real, there's no such thing as too fucked up. That particular story from MAI-CHAN'S DAILY LIFE made me depressed for days. Now *that* is powerful storytelling! Most of the pap that passes as horror these days just bores the hell out of me. I like to be shocked and disgusted and grossed out. I want the artist to knock me out with a sledgehammer and then assrape me with his AIDS infected dick and taint me forever! The only reason I like horror is because I like to experience extreme emotions. This is WHY.
post #6 of 118
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Originally posted by Wetbones
I want the artist to knock me out with a sledgehammer and then assrape me with his AIDS infected dick and taint me forever! The only reason I like horror is because I like to experience extreme emotions. This is WHY.
Time for your medicine now... that's a good boy... yes... drink up....
post #7 of 118
YEEEE OWWWWW!!!!


NSFW
post #8 of 118
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The greatest and most disturbing artist ever!
You're certainly right about the most disturbing.
post #9 of 118
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Originally posted by Wetbones
And it most likely appeals to the same audience as well. It amuses me that even the most hardcore horror fans have their limits of what they can enjoy and what is "sick". For me, as long as it isn't real, there's no such thing as too fucked up. That particular story from MAI-CHAN'S DAILY LIFE made me depressed for days. Now *that* is powerful storytelling! Most of the pap that passes as horror these days just bores the hell out of me. I like to be shocked and disgusted and grossed out. I want the artist to knock me out with a sledgehammer and then assrape me with his AIDS infected dick and taint me forever! The only reason I like horror is because I like to experience extreme emotions. This is WHY.
It's not shocking to me. It's a cry for attention at best. "Look! Lookit me! I'm doing fucked up shit! Aren't I a bad ass! Huh? Huh? Aren't I?". I just think it's worthless garbage with no merit, myself.
post #10 of 118
Yes, yes...all well and good...but is it ART??
post #11 of 118
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Define "art". Only because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't art. Too many people will argue that "art" is what is beautiful, what pleases the eye. But beauty (and thus art) is in the eye of the beholder.

Again, I'm surprised that this comes from someone posting at a horror MSG board ... 99% of all people would dismiss any and all horror films as worthless trash that should be banned or destroyed and has no value (artistic or otherwise) whatsoever. But I don't agree with that kind of redneck reasoning.

Art has always been about violence. Go back to cave drawings, which were usually about hunting and killing animals. Look at paintings from ancient Greece or Rome or the work of the great painters of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and so on, and you'll find more blood and guts and bare boobies than anything else. Man has always been fascinated by sex and death, Eros and Thanatos, creation and destruction, the alpha and omega. Those are the corner stones of our existance and it is only natural to think about them and to communicate your findings to others through whatever medium you find at your disposal.

I find that people like Waita Uziga or Suehiro Maruo (whose work has been collected in English in the anthology ULTRA GASH INFERNO) are very much in the tradition of the Grand Guignol theater of France and also the Marquis de Sade. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and I certainly won't argue that everyone should look at (or like looking at) things like that. But they are valid expressions of our human struggle with our instinct-driven animalistic heritage and that, combined with the cathartic effect that they (can) have qualifies them as art in my eyes.
post #12 of 118
Uziga deserves to eat a clip full of hollow point bullets.

His stuff goes beyond shock into sheer sickness.

Its not horror, its misogynysm masquerading at horror.
post #13 of 118
...at what point did I say I didn't like it?
(assuming that was adressed at me)...

That being said, it smacks too much of 12 year-olds trying to 'out-gross' each other with their prepubescent doodles...take it from me, I work in a school...Just cause this guy is allegedly an adult, and his drawing style advanced, doesn't mean his pictures have merit...I'm SURE there is a market for them, and I'm glad he found his niche.
...and what the HELL is it with female amputees??!!

As for the 'story' posted above, I reckon I could freak most people out here describing picking at the hard, chitinous skin on the soles of my feet...You know, when you get a good swathe of dead flesh, and you peel JUST A BIT TOO FAR and healthy skin starts tagging along for the ride?...I'll stop there...
post #14 of 118
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Originally posted by Bloodcat
Its not horror, its misogynysm masquerading at horror.
I strongly doubt that he's all that misogynistic, seeing as he's been happily married for many years now and has children. Look at the personal lifes of any of the authors or directors who create really messed up stuff and you'll find that most of them are the most harmless and pleasant people to be around. Stephen King and Clive Barker - to choose the most obvious examples - are no bloodthirsty maniacs only because they write horror.

People who can exorcise their demons by creating this horrific art are much more harmless than all those arch-catholic repressed Bible-thumping types and you'll find that it is those people, those who repress their destructive urges and cannot channel them into creativity of some sort, who will go on to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable, while very, very few artists are known to have taken their fictional obsessions into real life.
post #15 of 118
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Originally posted by Wetbones
I strongly doubt that he's all that misogynistic, seeing as he's been happily married for many years now and has children. Look at the personal lifes of any of the authors or directors who create really messed up stuff and you'll find that most of them are the most harmless and pleasant people to be around. Stephen King and Clive Barker - to choose the most obvious examples - are no bloodthirsty maniacs only because they write horror.

People who can exorcise their demons by creating this horrific art are much more harmless than all those arch-catholic repressed Bible-thumping types and you'll find that it is those people, those who repress their destructive urges and cannot channel them into creativity of some sort, who will go on to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable, while very, very few artists are known to have taken their fictional obsessions into real life.
So by that token, the assholes from SP Photoshopping pictures of Nick and his family are merely 'exorcising THEIR demons' and their work should be held up as art as well, instead of the juvenile shit it is?
post #16 of 118
Artists dwell on certain themes, like Giger and his biomechanics, or Winslow Homer's seascapes. Violence is a prevalent theme in everyone's life and obviously it's effects on Uziga are a major part of his art. The repulsion, delight, or whatever he draws from it is something he wishes to explore -- or may just be what he gets paid the most for ;D

But while his art certainly is disturbing, I don't think he could be compared to the likes of Giger, IMO -- but I don't find Giger's work disturbing. I have seen Uziga's stuff before, when a bud of mine who is a fan of the grotesque sent forth a link in IRC chat.
post #17 of 118
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Originally posted by biff
Violence is a prevalent theme in everyone's life and obviously it's effects on Uziga are a major part of his art. The repulsion, delight, or whatever he draws from it is something he wishes to explore --

So why don't we see a self-portrait of him
flaying his own penis, whilst fishhooks drag out most of his lower intestines and being skull-fucked by some Manga-babe with a strap-on?

[ohhh, that got me hard]
post #18 of 118
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Originally posted by Shatner's Bassoon
So why don't we see a self-portrait of him
flaying his own penis, whilst fishhooks drag out most of his lower intestines and being skull-fucked by some Manga-babe with a strap-on?

[ohhh, that got me hard]
Well, whether or not he includes himself in the work is more dependant on his ego than this his themes, I'd guess. That would be more of something he'd want his audience (and himself) to see him as, instead of a examination of the act itself.
post #19 of 118
Giger has an instantly recognizable style, and actually takes you somewhere ... He is extremely creative, and has unique vision ...

Uziga is simply taking an established look and making it extreme, but somehow, tired ...

There is no comparison
post #20 of 118
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Originally posted by Cosmoline
It's stupid tripe. Just the same old woman hating, child molesting nip fetishes.
You confuse racism and prejudices with valid arguments. I find comments like this much more frightening than anything Uziga draws.
post #21 of 118
Wow, I can usually stomach anything, but this guy is disturbing. Actually, I don't know if "distrubing" is a strong enough word in this case. The whole fetus thing is crazy. How did he even come up with that? What do you have to think about to start having that sort of imagination?
post #22 of 118
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Originally posted by Shatner's Bassoon
...As for the 'story' posted above, I reckon I could freak most people out here describing picking at the hard, chitinous skin on the soles of my feet...You know, when you get a good swathe of dead flesh, and you peel JUST A BIT TOO FAR and healthy skin starts tagging along for the ride?...I'll stop there...
I forget,are you the guy that keeps talking about his skin disease everytime there's a discussion about gore?

That's it.I want pictures man.

And Wetbones,what exactly is a valid "argument"this artist is putting forth?

For crimeny,and Japanese people think WE are weird......
post #23 of 118
By saying 'Nip' you are implying that this is Japanese culture, Cosmo.

There are 125+ million people in Japan. This shit, while reprehensible, is not widespread.

And you know what? Dig deep enough, you'll find as sick shit on this side of the ocean.
post #24 of 118
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Originally posted by Fat Dragon
I forget,are you the guy that keeps talking about his skin disease everytime there's a discussion about gore?

That's it.I want pictures man.

And Wetbones,what exactly is a valid "argument"this artist is putting forth?

For crimeny,and Japanese people think WE are weird......
Sorry to shatter your illusions, but no I'm not...
Though I AM curious about who you ARE talking about.
post #25 of 118

The greatest and most disturbing artist ever!

The pictures are interesting but not thought provoking to me.
I have to agree with those in the thread that say it just shock value, gore and no substance; and the fact that girls are in no shape or form realistic, leans to the absurd, their facial expressions are catatonic- theirs no suffering or anguish in their face. I would put this in the same vein of Ichi the Killer, it's gory, blood soaked, demented but a cartoon just the same.
post #26 of 118
Whatever.

Just lay off the racial slurs.
post #27 of 118
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Originally posted by Bunny Dracula
Nice.


As Wetbones was saying, this is merely a view to a person's mind and for those that are jaded and enjoy this style, this is eye candy for them. It may not hold wide appeal but it definitely has carved out its niche in the world.
post #28 of 118
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Originally posted by Bunny Dracula

AHHHH oh my GOD, YOU SICK FUCKING MONKEY!!!!!!! AHAAHHHAHA HAHAHAAH AHHHHHHH.......heh. .................................................. .............................................anywa y lets face it. his stuff isnt really that bad, I've seen worse and i'm not even old enough to buy a pack of smokes yet. Is it art? of coarse it is..to someone. Is it sick twisted and perverted? yup, but i think that was the point. people can be fasinated with some very odd stuff. and quite frankly i think eating shit and telletubies are far more desturbing then anything i saw at his galley. it has its place in the world, and even though some people wont understand it, and even more cant see why it is here, i dont understand why it is considered such a taboo...but thats me. are you me? fuck no. your you, make your own opions stick with them if you can. and let everyone have thiers. once we master that, i think people will be able to see other peoples points of view much clearer, and maybe even develope a little understanding.
post #29 of 118
While this guy's work has cartoonish gore, I wouldn't say it takes him over the top in regards to Joel Peter Witkin. That man uses real dead flesh and bones in his photography. I'm immediatly turned off to any artist that uses that generic manga look as well.

Check out Suehiro Maruo

Here's the gallery for more of his works.
This is a bizarre comic he did about Japan defeating America.

Wetbones, you should also find "Antoine Bernhart " to your liking. Here's another of his.


As you can see, I am in favor of emulating some of these horror characteristics in my artwork.

http://www.wearecareful.com/%7Ealfre...digital.17.jpg
post #30 of 118
Thank you cabal for posting such wonderful and intriguing artwork, I am including your own as well. Mahuro is an artist that, from what I viewed at his website, has depth in his graphic art/violence/ nudity but obviously has some historical context you have to consider. It makes want to learn more about his background and Japanese history in general. That is what art should be about- getting you to think or reconsider your views.
You seem to be willing to take alot of risk in your own work, it has a surreal beauty to it, "The Moth" picture is just awesome!
post #31 of 118
I think this kind of storytelling and imagery is liked by some because it plays on our interest in death. We are the only species conscious of our own life span and inevitable demise.

That said, it can manafest itself in extreme forms of media such as the pictures or whatever depicted in this thread (I didn't look at them, I am just assumeing their subject matter and content based on the responces in this thread).

I personally don't care to even debate if it is art or not. All I want to say is that I think it is sick, it doesn't have any real value from an artistic standpoint and it's just depraved. If you enjoy it, that is fine.
post #32 of 118
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I may like Suehiro Maruo even more than Waita Uziga. Maruo's stories have real psychological depth and characters you can understand. His artwork is not very typical for current manga but much more influenced by old Japanese woodcuts and illustrations from the 40ies and 50ies.

I highly recommend you buy the two graphic novels of his that have been published in English, ULTRA GASH INFERNO and MR. ARASHI'S AMAZING FREAK SHOW. Both are readily available at amazon or wherever you want to buy them. The full length PLANET OF THE JAPS story is included in the anthology UNDERGROUND COMICS JAPAN, which is a good compilation despite the ass-ugly and highly inappropriate cover. The stuff that is online is only the first few pages and trust me it get way more disturbing than that ...

Cabal, thanks for pointing out Antoine Bernhart! I'll have to look for more by this guy! Do you know if he's just a painter or if he also has done manga?
post #33 of 118
Sorry Wetbones, but I have to disagree. I looked at this guy's work and I absolutely hate it. I'm sorry, but I find nothing to like about it whatsoever. I feel that Giger and Witkin at least have a sense of atmosphere to them. A dark moodieness that makes them disturbing. To me, this guy's stuff is just gory cartoons.
post #34 of 118
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Originally posted by Otik
The aren't all scary.
Well, that's still kind of fcuked up!
post #35 of 118
Wetbones, this guy has some talent. I just hope he hasn't wasted it on doing just this crap.

To me this falls into the "shock art" category, but falls flat even in that category.
post #36 of 118
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Well, he has done one "normal" adult manga titled IN THE MUD that doesn't have any mutilation, torture or snuff. Other than that he seems to have found his niche (and a certain fame/infamy). What I like about him is that he obviously has the talent to make his money in the mainstream of manga publishing but he chose to do this kind of work. Is it just a cry for attention, a way to make people take notice in an overly crowded marketplace? That may figure into the equation but I don't think anyone who is not into this kind of creepy shit would start drawing it just to pay the rent or get noticed. You have to have the fucked up imagination first and I don't blame him for making money and a name for himself by putting it to such ultimately harmless use.
post #37 of 118
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Originally posted by BillJohnson
Sorry Wetbones, but I have to disagree. I looked at this guy's work and I absolutely hate it. I'm sorry, but I find nothing to like about it whatsoever. I feel that Giger and Witkin at least have a sense of atmosphere to them. A dark moodieness that makes them disturbing. To me, this guy's stuff is just gory cartoons.
No problem. I respect your opinion. And I agree that Giger and Witkin have more atmosphere and depth to their artwork than Uziga. There's a darkly poetic ambiguity to much of their work that is completely lacking in Uziga's drawings and stories. You can sit down and analyze and discuss a Giger painting but there's no such depth to be found in Uziga's work. His manga are like gore fast food and are indeed mostly schock value. I love them mostly because so little manages to genuinely disturb and gross me out be he does the trick. I cannot say that anything by Giger or Witkin has disturbed me in years. Maybe when I first discovered them but not anymore. They are certainly the more genuine artists, though, and I'd say it'll be their work rather than Uziga's that will stand the test of time. So yes, calling him the "greatest artist" was probably a bit of hyperbole on my part. However, he really is "the most disturbing artist" for me at the moment. The story with the baby in the blender, while ultimately pretty shallow and one note, hit me like a ton of bricks. Just totally not what I expected and I was already familiar with his work.
post #38 of 118
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Originally posted by Wetbones
I don't blame him for making money and a name for himself by putting it to such ultimately harmless use.
Sure, but I don't think he's respected very much in the artistic community. I would just like to see artists like this branch out instead of catering to one group of fans add nauseam.
post #39 of 118
Guns don't kill poeple, people kill people.

But I guess people with guns are more prone....

I got nuthin'.
post #40 of 118
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Originally posted by Straxboy - An Anthony Hickox Film
Guns don't kill poeple, people kill people.

But I guess people with guns are more prone....

I got nuthin'.
Well, they are that much closer...
post #41 of 118
i thought those pics were damn funny
post #42 of 118
I don't consider one bit of his art original....it's completely typical manga style renderings but he's added some gore for shock value.There is absolutly no comparison between this man's skill as an artist and Giger. I have seen 17 year old girls draw Manga just as well as this guy...I think you have some fetish issues because really as an artist he's nothing special at all.
post #43 of 118
Now this is how you do horror Japanese style
http://www.blastbooks.com/PoH/PoH.html
post #44 of 118
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Originally posted by moreguinness
Now this is how you do horror Japanese style
http://www.blastbooks.com/PoH/PoH.html
Yeah, Hideshi Hino is great but his stuff is not nearly as disgusting as Uziga's, despite Hino's involvement with the GUINEA PIG series way back when for which he directed FLOWER OF FLESH AND BLOOD. However, Hino is definitely the better storyteller of the two. There are quite a few of his books now available in English, including the great, atmospheric THE RED SNAKE and the rather Kafkaesque THE BUG BOY.
post #45 of 118
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Originally posted by Higher Learning Reloaded
Thank you cabal for posting such wonderful and intriguing artwork, I am including your own as well. Mahuro is an artist that, from what I viewed at his website, has depth in his graphic art/violence/ nudity but obviously has some historical context you have to consider. It makes want to learn more about his background and Japanese history in general. That is what art should be about- getting you to think or reconsider your views.
You seem to be willing to take alot of risk in your own work, it has a surreal beauty to it, "The Moth" picture is just awesome!
Thanks. You can look forward to those images alongside dozens of others being collected in a book in the next year or so strung together in a fairy tale styled storyline. I'm aiming at something between Douglas Wayne Barlowe's "Inferno" and The Brothers Grimm stories.

One of Witkin's photographs of a corpse looks IDENTICAL to my father. It's one of a man sitting upright in a chair with his chest sewn shut, after some sort of autopsy. It looks so much like my father that it's uncanny! Therefore, I'd say that image is the most disturbing I've ever seen in my life.

I found Panorama of Hell for twenty five cents at a used bookstore about 7 years ago!
post #46 of 118
call me sick, immature, uneducated, childish or whatever else.. but i think some of those drawings are pretty cool... especially the chick in the bathtub filled with body parts.. from a gore-fiend perspective.. not some weird hentai obsessor's

but, on the other hand.. ill still take Giger/Barker/Whateverelse-eqsue meaningful or metaphorical.. beauty over shock... artistic looking peices of fucked up work over the gutted anime chicks.. i think they have a lot more to say for themselves visually and meaningfully then the cartoon gorefest

and i also love the Moth piece, nicely done.. i long for the skills to do such pieces myself
post #47 of 118

Re: The greatest and most disturbing artist ever!

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Originally posted by Wetbones
This guy makes H.R. Giger and Joel Peter Widtkin look like total pussies!

Check out his gallery here:

http://fx.sakura.ne.jp/~sympow/poiso...ryuz/index.cgi

His name is Waita Uziga and he's published 6 volumes of manga to date, all of which are snuff/torture themed. Highly recommended if you can stomach this kind of stuff (some of it makes even me feel rather queasy) but sadly only available in Japanese for now.
I don't know how you can even compare this crap to the work of an artist like H R Giger...manga/hentai or whatever you want to call it is trash.
post #48 of 118
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Originally posted by Wetbones
You confuse racism and prejudices with valid arguments. I find comments like this much more frightening than anything Uziga draws.
So it's perfectly o'kay with you for a grown man to produce "artwork" featuring pre pubescent girls being ripped apart in sexually explicit poses but when someone uses a mild racial epithet it's the end of the world?.
post #49 of 118
The problem is, some of the things Uziga has drawn, or I have heard folks ascribe to him, have actually been done.

Do some reading up on the Rape of Nanjing (Nanking).

The Japanese army actually DID STUFF LIKE THAT.

This is why I can't casually look at already disturbing material and just laugh it off.

It would be the equivalent of a voyueristic or "snuff style" comic book showing atrocities commited on Jews being drawn by a German. I seriously doubt many people would accept and enjoy that.

Uziga, and many "artists" like him are effectively the same.

Something to think about the next time you want to giggle at some Japanese rape comics or games...

Id like to say I am just overreacting, but it simply does not sit well with me if that makes any sense...
post #50 of 118
"mild racial epithet."

Could you come up with an example of a harsh racial epithet?
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