The greatest and most disturbing artist ever! - Page 3

It's unfair to compare the pictures in his gallery to a horror movie. Of course the paintings lack context and narrative, that's nothing unusual with single, unrelated pictures. As I wrote somewhere above, if you want narrative and context go buy his mangas and read the complete stories. But of course you're not very likely to do that, judging from your reaction to the sample paintings. Because that's pretty much what they are: samples. Think of them as you would of a random gory screenshot from some horror movie, preferably something like 2000 MANIACS or GORE GORE GIRLS. Why hasn't anybody brought up Herschell Gordon Lewis' erotic-gore flicks of the 70ies yet? They are considered classics and there's sequels to some of them getting made as I type this yet they're rather extreme explorations of erotic horror or rather sexualized gore. You hate Uziga but Lewis is A-OK? Please explain ...

In other words, you want your movies to provide the morality for you. You want them to not offend you. You don't want to be challengedand you don't want to have to bring your own morality with you into the theater. Well, maybe you should stick with Disney movies and the occasional sitcom then.

There's a reason these things are rated 18+ (Uziga's website has a 18+ rating) and that is that people of that age and above are hopefully grounded enough in their lives, reality and morals to be able to expose themselves to this kind of stuff and not be instantly turned into child-raping killers.

It's OK that you don't like anime and I'll agree that some of the extreme fans can get incredibly annoying but please try to be a bit more tolerant. In the end we're all geeks to a certain degree ...

Isn't it ironic that this comes from you, just a few sentences after you bemoan too much violence and vile content in some comic? I have read all of Uziga's mangas and yet it would never, ever occur to me to say something like that, to wish actual violent death to an actual person. Sounds like you are sicker and more perverted than not only Uziga's readers but also Uziga himself. At least we're keeping these things fictional.

I never expected it to be widely praised. I expected controversy, just not like this and not to this degree. As Franco continues to point out it is just ridiculous that people on a horror MSG board who love gory movies and bemoan censorship are all of a sudden crying out for it! It's just plain absurd.

Wrong. As soon as you start to suppress something like Uziga's work you throw open the gates to all kinds of censorship. You think Uziga is going to far but you can bet there's someone who thinks even Freddy vs. Jason or The Ring are going too far. Should we ban them too? Whose oppinion should we value here? I presume yours because you're somehow the prime moral authority and have the right to tell grown up people what they are allowed to see and what's good for them and what's not. Have you ever thought about applying for a job at the MPAA? They'd love your attitude!


How exactly would you define "meaningful"? Do you think the majority of horror films/books/etc. is "meaningful"?

This basically sums up this whole thread. It's a fact that we all have different tastes, likes and dislikes, even if we're all horror fans. We also have different limits, different things that are just too much for us. Fireflyfan mentioned that he cannot stand any depiction of rape (partly) because a friend of him had to go through that horrible experience and it just became something much more real for him. I totally understand that. There's things like this for myself as well ... As I've mentioned in the past I grew up with a paranoid schizophrenic mother who hardly ever took her medication. Sometimes, when she was really far gone, she'd come on to me, suggest I have sex with her. Nothing ever happened because it's not that easy for a woman to rape a boy but it still messed with my head and to an extent it still does. As a result I can't tolerate anything, be it a novel, a movie, a comic or a friggin song, that deals with the subject of mother-son incest. That just hits too close to home for me.

However, and that's what's important here, I don't condemn those who enjoy this kind of stuff. I may tell them that it's not my cup of tea and if they insist or are curious I'll tell them why but I sure as hell won't tell them that they're sick and perverted. Because I may very well enjoy something that's too much for them. We shouldn't try to impose our opinion and worldview on others. What counts is that as long as this stuff is fantasy it should be allowed to exist, no matter what certain individuals may think about it. That's the limit that Bloodcat insists should exist. As long as it's fiction and nobody is hurt in the making of said fiction it can and should be legal. Everything else would be a restriction of the freedom of artistic expression and thus of the freedom of speech. And after all nobody is forced to read/watch these things if they offend them. If you cannot take it, just look away.