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Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle?

post #1 of 40
6/4/04 at 1:10am
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Who do you prefer and why?

(Obviously if the answer is "I don't like either of them", don't bother)

RD
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post #2 of 40
6/4/04 at 1:13am
Rock=used to be awesome, now does stupid mainstream crap to Feed His Family.

Chapelle=used to be terrible, now has awesome show.

Chapelle wins, if we're going by the present.
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post #3 of 40
6/4/04 at 1:14am
Thread Starter 
Do you find Chris Rocks stand-up unfunny or do you just find Dave funnier?

The reason Ive started this thread at all is me and a mate were havin a debate about who deserves to wear Richard Pryors crown as most insightful and funny black comedian in America today.

And no Eddie Murphy doesnt count IMO - he never has.

For every hard target Pryor railed at, Murphy went for the easy option - but thats for another thread.

Anyways - carry on

RD
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post #4 of 40
6/4/04 at 1:15am
Chris Rock's first couple of stand up specials I saw were really funny. I've never really liked any of his movies, and I think that now he is sorely overrated.

Chappelle, to me, is freakin hilarious. He also has done some band movies, but his output as of late has been nothing less than stellar.

I like Chappelle the best, but Eddie Murphy beats them both hands down.
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post #5 of 40
6/4/04 at 10:26am
Dave Chappelle, because he's naturally more funnier, even in his early interviews he's hillarious, in fact, his early interviews were funnier than any of Chris Rock's stand up or movies...
Chris Rock was never that funny to me, it's cool that he made it big but he never really developed into anything more and became tired and boring, the only comedian that's ever worked for really is Robin Williams, but Williams can act...
Chappelle hasn't had a chance to tire himself out yet, but if he starts doing "I'm George Bush bitch," "I'm Lou Rawls bitch," "I'm Patty Hearst bitch" monologues or anything along that reptitious venue, then he'll start to suck, but seeing as how he pulled the Rick James bit from his Best Of show maybe he'll never get there... it was funny the first few times, but hearing six year olds saying it in a dentist office is just... priceless...
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post #6 of 40
6/4/04 at 11:33am
Dave Chappele is Arsenio to Chris Rock's Eddie.
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post #7 of 40
6/4/04 at 4:15pm
I never gave two shits about Chappelle until I saw his show. Second season of "Chappelle's Show" is on par with Pryor at his best. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Chris Rock has his moments, but I always felt his average/slightly-better-than-average material was made better by his delivery. No one knows how to milk mediocre like Chris Rock. Chappelle, at least in this show of his, has top-flight material and does a great job with it.
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post #8 of 40
6/4/04 at 4:22pm
Chapelle is funny to be sure.
But it's Pryor and Rock blazing the trail that he's using.
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post #9 of 40
6/4/04 at 4:44pm

stick to what you are good at

Chris should stick with what he is good at: scathing social satire and commentary. I find his relationship and sex humor not overly funny or particularly astute in their observations.

His not so genteel admonitions for his fellow citizens of a more sunburn-resistant persuasion are absolutely riotous.


BTW, interesting thread to start. I am keen to see the dialog continue.

Cheers,
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post #10 of 40
6/4/04 at 5:10pm
Chappelle gets my vote. (RD, you should have posted a poll.)

Regarding their standup - I like Chappelle's stand up more than Rock's. Rock relies more on social satire, where Chappelle seem to talk more about everything. And I prefer Chappelle's laid back delivery as opposed to Rock's screamin' and yellin'.

Regarding their movies: Chappelle has always been funnier than Rock. His style is much cooler than Rock's. Rock has no Elvis in him.

Greatest Chappelle quote ever: " I'll rip off your lips, and kiss my ass with them shits. I'll tear out your tongue, and lick my balls with it. " - Blue Streak

I'm pissed cause I missed Chappelle out here in SoCal at the Improv last week. Saw Rock there, and he put on a good show, testing his material he just did on his most recent HBO special. I would have liked to seen Chappelle, though.
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post #11 of 40
6/4/04 at 5:53pm
Rock's movies are terrible, but his show was great.

I think Rock's standup is a better. His stuff about relationships is great, most of his stuff is really good. I think Bring the Pain was the best HBO special.
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post #12 of 40
2/18/05 at 3:15am
Such absolutes over who is better than the other aren't necessary. Right now Dave's funnier. I've always had much love for Half-Baked, even though it was badly sold as a Jim Breuer film. Chappelle's show is undeniably lol. (never thought I'd type that word.)

I didn't see Rock's last HBO special, but Chris was on a hard roll for a few years. Pootie Tang is pretty fucking funny. I thought some of his appearances on Conan were awesome. Then again Dave did a bunch of shows right after Andy left and he was great too.

I can't pick one, I guess, is my point.
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post #13 of 40
2/18/05 at 3:28am
Rock is so much smarter in his comedy. Chappelle's more like the Eddie Murphy to Rock's Pryor. In my mind.
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post #14 of 40
2/18/05 at 3:51am
The standup bit of Chappelle's, where he's in the limo and sees that baby selling weed, compaired to Rock's bit about pancakes/pussy is a hard choice. I like both comedian's style and delivery. It's hard to pick, but if I had to, it would be Chappelle. And that's based strickly on his current show.
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post #15 of 40
2/18/05 at 6:08am
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Originally Posted by Momotaro
The standup bit of Chappelle's, where he's in the limo and sees that baby selling weed
One of the funniest bits I've seen.

I'd have to go with Chapelle, mostly because it's been a while since I've seen Rock doing stand-up. Also, Rock's movie career is nothing to write home about (painfully unfunny in Lethal Weapon 4) and Chapelle is on a roll right now (I especially liked the Hater's Ball).
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post #16 of 40
2/18/05 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
Chappelle's more like the Eddie Murphy to Rock's Pryor. In my mind.
That pretty much sums it up.

Although the guy above who said Rock was much less astute with his views on relationships.....those first two stand up specials, I'd have disagreed, but I personally thought he leaned a little off the deep end the last special.

Either way, they present two different styles of humor; more importantly, two effective styles of humor. Can't really complain either way.
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post #17 of 40
2/18/05 at 10:02am
Maybe you can argue whose show is better, of a high quality, or however you want to qualify it, but I don't think there is a real debate on who is funnier. Dave Chappelle focuses his energy on making people laugh as best he can, while Chris Rock does this thing where he's 'speaking to the people'. And as insightful as his material is, (at times he can be so brilliant, he edges over to making important social commentary) making it funny seems like an afterthought.

When I watch Rock, most of the time I'm thinking, "Damn, he's totally right about that shit", not "Damn, that shit was so funny".
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post #18 of 40
2/18/05 at 11:41am
I'm partial to Chappelle's style over Rock personally. Rock is definitely hilarious, but like was mentioned before, there is something that seems much more thought out about 'what he is saying'.

Chappelle on the other hand has his smooth and laid back comedy style....and he jokes about smoking weed (which when done right always gets props from me) alot.

Both great comedians.
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post #19 of 40
2/18/05 at 3:54pm
I'd say though, Chris Rock's Bring The Pain was a revelation to me. I'd never heard such brutal honesty and incisive social commentary on such a myriad of controversial topics before. Its deep comedy. And, yeah, its fucking hysterical too. That's landmark stand-up that won't be surpassed anytime soon.

His job as host of the VMAs was always amazing. Its quite possibly the only thing I'm looking forward to at this year's Oscars.

Chappelle, it seems, is just cranking out the non-stop funny right now. But, yeah, Rock is more cerebral.
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post #20 of 40
2/18/05 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
Rock is so much smarter in his comedy. Chappelle's more like the Eddie Murphy to Rock's Pryor. In my mind.
Rock is more politically minded. He uses his comedy as a tool for change. Chappelle is good at observing racial issues in society and is great at commenting on them, but he doesn't offer solutions nor does he want to. Also, Rock's observations about married life is bar none.

That said, they are both hilarious at what they do. There is a place for both of them in this world.
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post #21 of 40
2/18/05 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by Diva
Rock is more politically minded. He uses his comedy as a tool for change.
That's going too far.
Rock and Chapelle are both about taking things we already know/feel and making them funny. Rock is just much better at it. His material has a lot more resonance and goes further towards that thin line between humor and offensiveness.
Rock's just got a keener insight and better skills. Hands down.
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post #22 of 40
2/18/05 at 6:08pm
As long as neither of them are Chris Tucker, I'm happy with either.
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post #23 of 40
2/18/05 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
That's going too far.
Rock and Chapelle are both about taking things we already know/feel and making them funny. Rock is just much better at it. His material has a lot more resonance and goes further towards that thin line between humor and offensiveness.
Rock's just got a keener insight and better skills. Hands down.
Chapelle has said in Killing Me softly as well in interviews that he has never voted and he could care less about politics. He complains alot about the system and has some insightful commentary on race relations in America, but he never goes beyond commentary. Rock does.

Rock's whole bit about welfare mothers and urging them to "get a job holding dicks if you have to" is a direct call to arms. He is pissed about the way the black community lives and is urging them to shape up. Rock has said in interviews that he hopes to change the political landscape and I think he got a lot of people talking when Bring the Pain first came out. And although Head of State was a steaming pile of doo, Rock did try to use his celebrity to reach out to those in the Black community that don't give two shits about politics.

I don't think offensiveness has anything to do with this debate. Rock is just more politically minded. Period. Chappelle likes poop jokes. It just so happens that sometimes he hits the mark with his observations about race relations.
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post #24 of 40
2/18/05 at 8:12pm
I think Rock is steadly on the decline. Bring the Pain is probably one of the best stand-up comedy shows ever. But then look at his record. Bigger & Blacker isn't as good as Bring the Pain and Never Scared isn't as good as Bigger & Blacker. And now he's hosting the Oscars? A show that thinks when a political filmmaker makes a political comment it's the most controversial thing ever?

Chappelle, on the other hand, is on the rise. Season 2 of his show is better than Season 1 and he's definitely part of today's pop culture landscape.

But overall, I prefer Rock, not so much because of the issues he discusses (although I do find political talk more interesting then talk about getting high), but because he has the best rhythm to his voice. I sometimes find myself just reciting his jokes as if they were songs.
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post #25 of 40
2/18/05 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by Diva
And although Head of State was a steaming pile of doo, Rock did try to use his celebrity to reach out to those in the Black community that don't give two shits about politics.
If Head of State had cut out the romantic subplot and a few of the white-people-trying-to-act-black jokes, it would have been gold. There's some great bits in their, my personal favorite being when all the white people rush out of their houses screaming in fear at the prospect that they might get a black president as "B.O.B." plays.
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post #26 of 40
2/18/05 at 9:00pm
Chappelle is definitely the hot one now, but I have laughed hard at past Rock stand-up.

We'll see how Chappelle handles the insane hype created by his incredibly funny season 2, and his recent 50 million dollar contract.
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post #27 of 40
2/18/05 at 9:09pm
Head of State had exactly one funny bit, and it was the part about training a team of "super-whores."
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post #28 of 40
2/18/05 at 9:20pm
Oh, come on. What about when he kept thinking he might get assassinated or the ex-girlfriend that kept chasing him or just the awesome line, "God bless America, and no place else!"
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post #29 of 40
2/19/05 at 1:46am
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Originally Posted by Charles B
As long as neither of them are Chris Tucker, I'm happy with either.
Between Tucker not doing anything besides Rush Hour movies every 4-5 years and defending Michael Jackson's behaviour, I don't think he'll be a problem...
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post #30 of 40
2/19/05 at 3:28am
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
I think Rock is steadly on the decline. Bring the Pain is probably one of the best stand-up comedy shows ever. But then look at his record. Bigger & Blacker isn't as good as Bring the Pain and Never Scared isn't as good as Bigger & Blacker. And now he's hosting the Oscars? A show that thinks when a political filmmaker makes a political comment it's the most controversial thing ever?

Chappelle, on the other hand, is on the rise. Season 2 of his show is better than Season 1 and he's definitely part of today's pop culture landscape.

But overall, I prefer Rock, not so much because of the issues he discusses (although I do find political talk more interesting then talk about getting high), but because he has the best rhythm to his voice. I sometimes find myself just reciting his jokes as if they were songs.
I guess I'm biased. I paid to see Rock's last show at MSG and I laughed the entire time. I've seen it a few times since on HBO and its still just as funny. I don't think Rock has slipped at all.

Agreed that Chappelle can only get bigger. I just hope he doesn't let that $50 million paycheck get to his head. What made Season 2 so great for me was Chappelle constantly complaining about not getting compensated for his talent (the Wayne Brady ep is my favorite of the season). And part of his charm is Dave looking from the outside in. Now that he's part of "the system", I'm curious how he'll adapt.
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post #31 of 40
2/19/05 at 3:31am
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
Oh, come on. What about ... the awesome line, "God bless America, and no place else!"
If America were a woman, she'd be a big tittied woman!

I actually laughed a little too hard at Chris and Bernie stalking the incumbant, singing, "I thought I told you that we won't stop, I thought I told you that we won't stop! Debate me!"
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post #32 of 40
2/19/05 at 3:36am
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Originally Posted by Diva
I guess I'm biased. I paid to see Rock's last show at MSG and I laughed the entire time. I've seen it a few times since on HBO and its still just as funny. I don't think Rock has slipped at all.

Agreed that Chappelle can only get bigger. I just hope he doesn't let that $50 million paycheck get to his head. What made Season 2 so great for me was Chappelle constantly complaining about not getting compensated for his talent (the Wayne Brady ep is my favorite of the season). And part of his charm is Dave looking from the outside in. Now that he's part of "the system", I'm curious how he'll adapt.
I'm curious to see what Chappelle will bring to the table in season three of his show.

As for Rock, I still think he's fantastic and Never Scared is better than a good deal of stand-up out there. It's just that he hasn't done anything that meets or surpasses Bring the Pain. My biggest problem with Never Scared isn't even the jokes, it's the delivery. He keeps repeating his topic heading where it begins to seem not so much like he's repeating it for emphasis, but as something to fill the seconds when he's trying to remember his next joke.
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post #33 of 40
2/19/05 at 3:39am
Anyone here who says Chapelle is ahead of the pack most likely didn't see his latest standup special he did for Showtime, which was abysmal, frankly.
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post #34 of 40
2/19/05 at 3:43am
Yeah, I heard about that. Luckily for Chappelle, no one watches Showtime and most of his audience will go on reciting "I'm Rick James, bitch!" till they die, which hopefully will be sooner rather than later.
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post #35 of 40
2/19/05 at 7:48am
I say Chapelle just because he seems to enjoy himself more. I was going to write more but I honestly think that might be all there is to it.
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post #36 of 40
2/19/05 at 8:02pm
Chappelle seems to crack himself up alot. It's endearing at first, but then you just realize he's high and therefore thinks everything is funny.
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post #37 of 40
8/7/05 at 2:16am
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Originally Posted by Diva
Chappelle seems to crack himself up alot. It's endearing at first, but then you just realize he's high and therefore thinks everything is funny.
Hasn't he given up pot? Or is that just another bullshit celebrity claim?

Anyway, I think Chapelle's better. I like Rock, but he's just not as funny to me.

Carlin beats all, no matter what race category.
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post #38 of 40
8/7/05 at 2:19am
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Originally Posted by _New__Order_
Chappelle hasn't had a chance to tire himself out yet, but if he starts doing "I'm George Bush bitch," "I'm Lou Rawls bitch," "I'm Patty Hearst bitch" monologues or anything along that reptitious venue, then he'll start to suck
It's this very reason he's taken time off, isn't it? He doesn't want Season 3 to suck.

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Originally Posted by _New__Order_
but seeing as how he pulled the Rick James bit from his Best Of show maybe he'll never get there... it was funny the first few times, but hearing six year olds saying it in a dentist office is just... priceless...
Uhhh...do you mean priceless in a good way?

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Originally Posted by jb_audit
Chris should stick with what he is good at: scathing social satire and commentary. I find his relationship and sex humor not overly funny or particularly astute in their observations.
Agree 100% on this point.

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Originally Posted by Diva
Chapelle has said in Killing Me softly He complains alot about the system and has some insightful commentary on race relations in America, but he never goes beyond commentary.
Bullshit. I was just reading recently about how when Chapelle tours to places and talks to kids in schools he tells them that while racial relations are shit in America, black people can't just blame everything on white people while doing nothing themselves. That sounds like going beyond the commentary to me.

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Originally Posted by Agent Back Smith
When I watch Rock, most of the time I'm thinking, "Damn, he's totally right about that shit", not "Damn, that shit was so funny".
I honestly find myself thinking that about Chapelle when I read interviews with him and see his stand-up. Not all the time, but there are enough times that it's become what I like most about him.

And no, I'm not talking about him being totally right about babies selling weed on street corners. I'm talking about the Elizabeth Smart VS the actually smart black girl* who got kidnapped and actually pretty much caught the kidnappers herself type stuff.

*SIDENOTE: Pathetic how the information of who Elizabeth Smart is is much more readily available than the story of the little black girl. Fuck Elizabeth Smart. She's such a fucking moron.
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post #39 of 40
8/7/05 at 1:19pm
well as i like them both for different reasons, they both have great stand ups, have been in some funny movies(and some bad), both had decent runs on TV. to say that either deserve to wear the Pryor Crown is ludicris. neither deserves it, and i am willing to bet they would agree. pryor will never be equaled in the "black comedian" genre or what ever you want to call it. when he passes hi crown should be set aside for young comedians to look at and aspire for.....................
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post #40 of 40
8/10/05 at 12:43am
I find Chris Rock to be EXTREMELY annoying. I can't stand the guy in the slightest. However I'm a big fan of Chappelle's show, and I thought Chappelle was hilarious in Blue Streak.
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