Whitney says farewell - Page 2

Now, settle this for me: The crazy world that you live in...is it in your mind or is it the same one from those Truth.com commercials?

Also, answer my original question. Are you serious about wanting to leave? Seems like instead of having the balls to just do it, you'd rather whine until somebody deletes you and then you can play the victim. Decent plan, I suppose, but somebody could do better.

Not you, but somebody. Ask them and/or a psychiatrist for help.

So now if you're banned it's because Micah couldn't tangle with you in political arguments? How convenient.

Privledge, not a right. That's what it is to be here. No one needs to explain anything. How is this hard to understand?

If you don't like it instead of bitching, leave. Or take a break from it. I don't understand how this wouldn't make sense.

People may have hated Bunny but every time he posted the same people always posted after him saying how he sucked or was stupid. It is possible to ignore people without using the ignore feature.

I thought the elite members had their new forum to escape those they couldn't stop reading even though they hated them or thought their posts unfunny?

Deleting BD seems a bit arbitrary if you go by not being funny. Just curious if it's more than that.

Star Chamber Redux?

Hadn't heard about that. If true, that's the most hysterical thing I've read in a long time on here.

Convert now, or fall forever.

It's not like it's a conspiracy.

http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=65913

Again, privledge not a right. And if the management agree with the "same people," why should that someone be tolerated? Community, society, clique, whatever, if someone agressively doesn't fit in, and doesn't try to fit in, then why allow them to continue annoying the people who, arguably, make this an interesting place, if they're annoyance is so great it makes people not want to be here? I think the thing is that the internet is more of a reflection of society, and it's okay to tolerate sites, or boards, or whatever that have no interest to you, but in terms of a place like this, it's more like a club, or bar, and why should the regulars have to suffer fools gladly if they don't have to?

I think people here, especially since most of us are geeks, dorks, and nerds, get worried about what people think and want to fit in, etc. and a situation like this increases a fear of irrational bannings, or whatever. Especially since there are so many established regulars, who can occassionally seem like a gang But that's not fair to the regs, it's just people who've been here for (quite literally) years have in jokes, etc that relate to being familiar with each other. That may seem exclusionary, but its also life. No one's ever been banned for having interesting conversations about movies. And that is the bottom line. People who agressively attack the site, its members (and not for the content of their posts, but the people themselves) or try and draw attention to themselves by posting dumb pictures in threads they don't belong in, etc. aren't trying to be a part of the community.

I'm quite sure that I don't qualify.

Well, you're no Smunt.

We don't know the whole story behind what happen to Bunny, but if we go by the events around here the past few days - it's a safe bet that we all know what's going on.

I liked Bunny.

His posts showed that people can't mind their own business and that jumping on people is an acceptable form of hypocricy when you do it in a group.

...and honestly Bunny wouldn't have fucked with the people who were vocal about him if they didn't keep going on about it all the time.

BD was ok, im surpised he/she/it is gone

Relentlessly irritating as those constant Whitney pictures were, I'm a bit surprised. That said, if you ignore a warning, then you're asking for trouble.

I'm assuming he got a warning.

I always found him too mannered and in character to be genuinely amusing, but the definition of troll seems to be expanding exponentially in modern times, it seems.

it almost sounds like you actually weren't the one who pulled the proverbial plug on him, nick. was there a special reason btw, or was it just general complaints from the chud populace?

Is it possible to ban yourself? I mean, just to delete every post you ever made and wink out of the world under your own power?

So...

How the Elitist CHUD 2.0 board going?

Why not just close this one entirely or clean it up deleting all the people that just don't quite fit in the *special* mold.

Seems pretty funny to me that this sort of crap is going on here since I joined threw the creature corner, and to tell you the truth usually people that enjoy horror like I do are not really the majority of people and are pretty much considered by the outside world to be bizarre. But now even in our little community people are too ignorant and disrespectful to let people express their on points of view without trying to degrade them for what they chose to love or dislike.

And maybe, just maybe this would all self correct itself if the old members of this board weren’t acting like elitist sob with people, no offence but some of the behaviour of the supposedly grade A chudders is fucking far from being a good example to the new members.

Anyway I'm just rambling on, don't mind me. It’s just crazy talk… and you probably know better anyway right?

If this little rant gets me expelled from the community well so be it, I’ll live.

Cheers!

Bunny was an asshole. I'm glad he's gone.

Bunny was harmless.

He was dispatched by Micah The Butcher. I'm forming a new gang of Dead Rabbits to avenge him.

<paints red stripes on shirt, head, penis>

It's weird. I must be the only person who actually USES the "Ignore" function instead of just blabbing about it. Because I don't know of a single thing that Bunny Dracula posted in the past 6 months.

I didn't ban Bunny, but I didn't argue when the idea was suggested.

http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66274

Indeed, I banned him. Easy call to make.

Indeed.

It was idiotic to ban him from these place. The best part is that I bet he got a huge kick out of it. Having the great and powerful MICAHEYE turn towards you and deem you not worthy of a movie message board is hilarious beyond words. To say there are some here who should've been banned ages ago (before I even arrived in fact) is a cliche by now. It's beyond hope that faraci,micah, and nunziata will ever release each other from their creepy eternal threeway cocksuck to see how much this place truly does suck now. It's scary and wierd. But mostly it's just sad.


Bye all.

See, that's what I didn't mind about Bunny. His posts were fluff. They never usually contained anything of real significance so if you just popped him on IGNORE, then he wasn't hurting you at all.

I suppose some may see making excessive empty posts as a bannable offense, but in my personal opinion it was better to let those who hated him ignore him, and those who liked him to enjoy him.


Though if he was banned for the post he CLAIMS he was banned for, that's a little more justifiable. It's well established that there is little tolerance for insulting content dealing with race around here.

Why is it so hard to believe that the powers that be are sick of people using the site for post whoring and empty pointless unfunny bullshitting? There is now a whole site for that kind of mindless, moronic, boring drivel, and Werbal's a mod there.

Don't come back, Matt.

Well, yeah, it may irritate the site bosses, but has anyone ever been banned JUST for making empty posts? Certainly it made it to easier to ban Bunny, but he was banned when he crossed the line, not for posting that Whitney pic or whatever. And I don't think he ever would have been banned for simple junk posts.

You guys have to admit that this all does reak of double-standards and true "elitism".

After all, there's hardly been anyone who has stirred more shit on these boards than Devin... yet he's not only embraced by the inner circle: he's PART of it. I think THAT is the type of stuff that is irking "the little people". I for one am willing to see and admit that.

And I personally have nothing against Devin myself. And I sometimes get a kick out of his posts, knowing that he really doesn't take this all that seriously or personally. But truth is, it is more than just newbies and trolls who cause chaos and friction here. And the sooner we acknowledge and admit that the better. Hell, I've been guilty of shit storming myself from time to time. I'll come clean.

Maybe shit's changing. Maybe the low tide that brought garbage posters here is taking them back out again.

To be fair, Nick did say in the first post that it was elitist.

I don't have a problem with the new boards because old guys who helped build CHUD deserve a reward of some kind, because without them there may not have been a CHUD for us to come to.

What people resent, however, is the notion that they somehow don't contribute as much to the site because they are new, or even that they are somehow detracting from it. That of course is not neccesarily what Nick believes, but it's the message everyone seems to be getting.

Well, I think you can be elitist without having blatant double-standards which threaten every fabric of credibility.

But, then... I'm a prick that way.

I just don't understand people bringing ideas like "democracy" or "elitism" - as if that's inherently wrong - to this table.

CHUD and its message boards are pretty much Nick's house. View it as a real one. It's nice that he extends open invites to one and all to step in, but if he and whoever he trusts to run the household think you've worn out your welcome, that's all the justification and reason he needs to boot your ass. It's about as democratic and open as anybody's criteria in choosing who they let in their home - which is to say, not the least bit fair and every bit elitist.

That's the only standard that matters. It's great that I'm allowed to post here and to do what little I do for the site and the magazine, but those are courtesies extended to me...not some inherent right that can't be discriminated against or taken away.

So what is it, a house or a business?
Are we guests or customers?

I think Nick is conflicted on how to run this place.

There's no conflict.

This site sells nothing. Nick creates OTHER things that people occasionally buy (the magazine, his CDs, CHUD merchandise), but that's their individual decision.

It's no different from any other site or periodical. What is written on the main site is not written by committee according to public opinion. Likewise, this messageboard is not run by 9000+ people.

I sense a conflict. The site sells ad space. It attempts to appeal to a certain market (unlike, say, a blog or a fan-site).

It's like half-business, half-public forum. Nick tries to spin a lot of plates at once.

This is so retarded. Do you think that every website with a forum lets people just post whatever they want? There are sites that have Everything/Nothing boards, this was NEVER one of those. Bunny Dracula, Otik, Malachi - these guys are essentially spamming the site.

Then assume it's a business. If it's Nick's business, he still has a right to regulate his customers. You don't get to go to McDonalds and act like a dick without running the risk of getting thrown out. In other words, business/house, whatever, we are all here at Nick's mercy.

Ad space to other businesses. I know of, oh, zero chewers that are customers of this SITE. If somebody makes a PayPal donation, they do it freely for the sake of postage or whatever. Not so they can have a hand in the content. Likewise, if he chooses to ask your input on a certain direction or whatver, that's him voluntarily doing so. He's not obligated.

There's no conflict. Sorry.

No. And I agree. But I think it's pretty evident that MANY people here think that folks like YOU can post whatever you want. That's the notion you should be trying to quell. I'd recommend setting the standard. But, again, I'm a sap.

I don't think BD got banned for stirring shit but for being a spammer.

Micah, I think what Bob is TRYING to say is if Nick want to take full advantage of site traffic (and, hence, ad revenue) it would be a good idea to NOT have an environment that caters only to a few "elite" and leaves everyone else to live by different rules.

I'm not saying that's what we have here. And I know that Nick doesn't want that. But that is clearly the idea a few people are getting. I would find that troublesome.

Well, that's just BD then. There have been plenty of people banned for causing friction and flame wars on the boards.

Well, Carl, this thread is about Bunny Dracula.

This is silly. First off, out of 9,000+ members, a total of 5-6 have been banned in the past couple of weeks. Second, as far as this "elite" MB, no one knows how many people are a part of it, who's a part of it, and how many people WILL be part of it in the future. In fact, nobody even knows how long it will endure. Third, CHUD doesn't "cater" to anybody. There's a bazillion and one topics and forums. All anybody gets is a login and a password, and then what you do here is up to you. You determine the quality of your experience from that point onward.

Nick seeks significant input from site members, interacts with them extensively on and off the boards (the IMs, calls, and emails he receives), and tries to address their concerns. If that's not bending over backwards to "cater" to people, I don't know what is.

Sure. The bottom line is whether a person is more of a liability to the boards than an asset. You can be a liability by trolling and starting flame wars, or you can be a liability by just posting inane things that don't contribute much in the way of insight or humor.

If you feel like you're being treated unfairly or are too stifled on these boards, I'd suggest you take a look at these rules from another site compared to the relatively open and permissive environment we have here.


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Ignoring the pricing/paid account aspects and the stuff that just doesn't apply to the setup here, I'd argue that Nick and the mods should be almost as harsh. With those rules, plus the fact that they actually charge $10 to register, that site STILL has a thriving messageboard - something like 30,000 members. And from what I remember from back when I used to visit that place in the non-charging days, fuckery was already kept to a minimum while great threads flourished. People weeded themselves out by breaking the rules.

It really is simple - don't be a non-contrinuting dickhead. Respect Nick's rules and desires for the place. Let the mods do their job. Contribute, accept the rules, or leave.

Obviously, this is Nick's place and he can do what he wishes with it. And I must admit, this place has gotten shittier over the years from when I lurked to when I joined up to now.

And while a lot of the problem has to do with success and the number of new posters on the board, as some people said, a lot of it has to do with some double standards. There are posters that get away with posting the most inflammatory, dickheaded things in the world because they have been here longer or because they hold to certain viewpoints. And I am not even referring to Devin. That is certainly something that should be looked at long and hard.

I'm sure there are a lot of other things that could be done to rectify the situation. If a private board for the oldies to sit back and relax is what you need, go for it.

But the problem still remains unsolved, and I would like to think that it can be corrected instead of drastic measures taking place.

By the way, great sig Devin.

It will be poo-pooed Smirk, but that was a great post.

Smirk, I can't address what you're saying until you actually say something.

Telling me that there are "posters" who get away with X, Y, and Z being a double standard doesn't mean anything because nobody but you knows who those posters are.

As for the "drastic measures" taking place, this board looks almost exactly the same as it did 3 days ago, 3 weeks ago, and 3 months ago. If less than a half of a half of one percent of our posters are now gone, so be it. I hardly think these to be seismic changes.

It seems to me that one way to stop the incessant post whoring that occurs would be to have active mods who occasionally jump into threads and tell people to stay on topic. Star Chamber may have stumbled out of the gate, but active moderation would help. Banning a poster or two a month isn't going to help and creating a second private board should (in theory) just weaken the conversations on the main boards even further.

To expect a message board that has 9000 members to consistently have high levels of intelligent conversation is unreasonable unless the board has active mods and CONSISTENT rules of etiquette.

1) I'm not going to single people out. Its totally unproductive. All I am saying is, watch for it. Be aware that some people feel this way. A lot of people besides me know who those posters are and have commented on it besides myself.

2) The drastic measures I was referring to were shutting down the boards, pay boards, etc., ie proposed drastic changes. A private board is not a drastic change as it wouldn't effect myself or the vast majority of posters in the least.