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post #1 of 88
Thread Starter 
It seems to me that lately the gloves have been off about children dying violent deaths in the movies. It seemed to me that scenes like little cute Kim Richards getting shot in Assault on Precinct 13 were rare and notable.

Haven't the recent rash of horror films begun to kill kids in more frequent a manner in order to be more shocking? I think two kids died in Final Destination 2--the death by window pane and the grill explosion.

How many other deaths of children in the movies are out there? Even bad kids usually get some kind of redemption rather than the ultimate penalty. In the original Bad Seed, they even changed the ending so the evil little girl survived rather than dying.

There was the zombie girl next door in the Dawn of the Dead remake, the gangster boy in Robocop 2...certainly there are more out there.....
post #2 of 88
Well in Pitch Black i think 4 kids are killed by the aliens but i can't think of any others right now...
post #3 of 88
The Relic has a couple, but that shitty kid with the spoons makes it out alive.

***edit***
That was supposed to be Mimic, not Relic.
post #4 of 88
Frankenstein.
Girls don't float like daisies, apparently.

Salem's Lot. Does it count if they come floating back? If not then add The Devil's Backbone.

Oh, and The Blob remake.
post #5 of 88
There was a movie a while back called either "Children at Play" or "Caution, Children at Play", and the final scene of that movie had the highest body count of kids in any movie I have ever seen or heard of.
post #6 of 88
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by BobClark
Frankenstein.
Girls don't float like daisies, apparently.

Salem's Lot. Does it count if they come floating back? If not then add The Devil's Backbone.

Oh, and The Blob remake.
The Daisy girl in Frankenstein actually got censored out for years because it was so shocking for those days.

The kid in the Blob movie was great. After that and the jock hero's death, no one in the movie was safe.

There's also the evil little girl in the Bad Seed....and didn't Mac Caulkin get killed in the Good Son?
post #7 of 88
Yeah, his mom let him die.
post #8 of 88
...and in "My Girl".

Then his career.
post #9 of 88
That little kid who got his arm ripped off at the start of "IT"
post #10 of 88
In Dinocroc the little kid got killed and that was one of those made for TV Sci-Fi channel movies.
post #11 of 88
Alice Sweet Alice
Godsend
When A Stranger Calls
Sleepaway Camp 2
Sleepaway Camp
Some Children Of The Corn movies.
post #12 of 88
I brought up a similar topic a long time ago, but I didn't get much responses out of it. The topic was about putting children in harms way in movies. Case in point, just about any Stephen King movie.

I think it boils down to that children are innocent and if they get killed or hurt it demonizes the antagonist that much more and makes them more of a threat and thus the audience will cheer for their ultimate demise.

Personally, I feel it is a cop out to throw a child into the mix and put them in harms way. But sometimes it is essential to the story not just to demonize the antagonist. Also, my Mom will not watch movies or read books where a child will die. I let her borrow the first Jurassic Park book and she couldn't read past the first part where the kid gets injured by the little scavenger dinosaurs. Basically, some people can't handle seeing children get hurt, thus it makes tha antagonist much more evil in their eyes.
post #13 of 88
Little girl zombie in original NoTLD
post #14 of 88
I absolutely love the scene in AoP13 where the little girl gets blown away. It's beautiful. I don't think it was a cop out at all I mean little kids get kidnapped/raped/murdered everyday. It's just life and the sickos such as Silva or Saliva or whatever the fuck his name is likes to prey on the little defensless children.
post #15 of 88
Gotta be the little girl who gets shot in Assault On Precinct 13.
post #16 of 88
Ginger Snaps - Trina (and how old is Sam?)
Ginger Snaps 2 - Beth-Anne (and how old is Tyler?)
post #17 of 88
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Originally posted by JessFranco!


People seem to get freaked out by the thought that some perv out there might "get off on" images (in film, print, or ink) of children in horrific and/or sexual situations. The simple fact is, seeing horrific FICTIONAL images is NOT going to turn any sane person into a child-raping/child-killing maniac. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
Good point. Tell that to the fuckwads bringing up litigation against the artists putting this stuff out.

Also, even if fictional I still don't want to see acted and scripted and or artwork depicting child-raping. That draws the line for me. I guess I'm like my Mother in respect that that is where my line is drawn to what is tastefull and what isn't. Yes I know it is fictional, yes I know that it didn't really happen. But it is the whole Art imitates life bit that comes to mind. The fact that it happens in artwork and on the screen means that it happens in real life. And that disgusts me. I know that not all situations are possible like those depicted in the manga that Wetbones posted, but it still hits a nerve to me. Thinking that somewhere some child may be in a similar sitation.
post #18 of 88
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Originally posted by JessFranco!
Somewhere some ADULT may be in a similar situation too though, and that doesn't seem to cause horror fans too much difficulty while enjoying the cruel horrors of HAUTE TENSION, or TENEBRE, or SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, or HENRY.

Why is the death of a FICTIONAL child so much more disturbing than the death of a FICTIONAL adult or FICTIONAL teen? Why is the line drawn there? Are children somehow more sacred than teens and adults? Do there lives matter more?
I agree!!!
post #19 of 88
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by JessFranco!
Somewhere some ADULT may be in a similar situation too though, and that doesn't seem to cause horror fans too much difficulty while enjoying the cruel horrors of HAUTE TENSION, or TENEBRE, or SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, or HENRY.

Why is the death of a FICTIONAL child so much more disturbing than the death of a FICTIONAL adult or FICTIONAL teen? Why is the line drawn there? Are children somehow more sacred than teens and adults? Do there lives matter more?
I think it's the death of an innocent that bothers people so much. They have little or no choice in what happens to them, or decent way to defend themselves.

An adult or teen can get themselves into trouble and possibly get out of it. A child has zero chance at all against any legit threat.
post #20 of 88
How has no one brought up the ultimate taboo kid-killing movie...

Battle Royale

Kids killing kids.
post #21 of 88
Gage in 'Pet Semetary'...(What sort of name is Gage?)

The 'Kintner' kid in 'Jaws'...

Let me think...
post #22 of 88
Billy- Pumpkinhead
post #23 of 88
Does the zombie kid that Jim kills in 28 Days Later count?
post #24 of 88
Maybe it has to do with being a parent.
post #25 of 88
City of God had a little kid getting shot in the foot and then one getting capped by another kid offscreen.
post #26 of 88
Halloween 3 has that one kid getting murdered in that testng phase scene.
post #27 of 88
Perhaps it would equate to killing the fragility that children posess. As crass as this sounds, killing children and babies often equals animal cruelty and mutilation because of that very sense of helplessness and fragility that we associate the two with.

Thus why horror films are called that..horror. Horror films that depict the brutal loss of children are meant to shake you up, to get reaction from you.
post #28 of 88
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Originally posted by otisthecat
The Relic has a couple, but that shitty kid with the spoons makes it out alive.

***edit***
That was supposed to be Mimic, not Relic.
Easy mistake, for in the Relic book the movie is based on, the kids ARE killed. When I was watching the movie and noticed they pussied out and changed it so the kids lived, I knew from then on that Relic was gonna really suck.
post #29 of 88
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Originally posted by JessFranco!
I don't accept that.

You don't need to have a baby in order to value, respect, and cherish life. That's just part of being a sensitive human. The ability to empathize with complete strangers, to see them as beings who deserve respect and care isn't something that comes only with parenthood. It developes over the course of a person's entire life.

Plus, there are more than enough parents out there who've spawned whole broods of kids and yet still seem unable to value the lives of their offspring. Beatings, neglect, abuse...

I'm mostly interested in the outraged reactions of horror fans to images of children in violent situations. How can a person grin with pleasure when a sexy teenage vixen is chased by an inbred family of freaks, but cry foul when a child becomes involved?

I suspect that it's a sort of kneejerk political-correctness that causes the extreme reaction. It's as though people want to make sure that everyone within earshot knows that they DO NOT APPROVE OF THIS. The protesting of certain horror fans has just been too loud. It really sounds like a show. Like a PC pledge.

It's been drummed into our heads for awhile now. Everytime someone wants to drum up support for some new method to inhibit our constitutional rights they start talking about THE CHILDREN. People get away with all kinds of shit in the name of "the children".

It's been carried over into art. The horror fans who express the loudest outrage sound almost scared of being at all associated with something so "sick and perverted". Those extreme reactions sound like fear. Fear of crossing some imaginary "taste" line. Fear of being misunderstood. Fear of being labled a freak.

I have some mixed feelings about kids being killed in movies. On the one hand I like the fact that anyone is fair game in a movie that allows that. On the other, I don't necessarily want all the gory details on a child death.

There was a discussion where I used to work on why in real life a child's death has more impact on people than an adult's. Logically, one person's life is as valuable as another's, regardless of age. However, I think that people have such a hard time with a child's death simply because children don't have the level of control over their environments that adults have. As adults, we are largely products of our own decisions. Children are the products of many decisions made for them. For most kids, this is manifested as legitimate boundaries that they learn for future social behavior, as they have normal parenting. It's the rest that disturb us so.

I don't buy into the "innocence" argument either. As the fat kid in school, I can tell you that some of these "innocents" were quite cruel.

In films, I think it's more a weakness factor with children than innocence that gets to people.
post #30 of 88
True, Jesse, with the individual that commits the act, one doesn't quite get that perspective of reason or remorse unless the killer is communicative in (a movie) thought to the audience or (a book) in prose.
post #31 of 88
What about that old 80's movie called " The children" It had those kids that went through some toxic cloud and they came outwith these black fingernails that would burn you if they they touched you.
post #32 of 88
How about in Pet Semetary 2. When the sheriff killed the bully with his motorcycle wheel? That was great.

"Drew Buddy.."


Max's kid in Mad Max.

Newt in Alien 3 (I know it sucks, but she still died)

Arnold's son in Collateral Damage

Brady in Silver Bullet

I can't remember the name of the episode, but it was a Tales from the Darkside. Something like the fat grandmother died in the bed and the kid went in to check on her and the bed ate him. Man I miss that show.
post #33 of 88
First, I like to say that JessFranco has soildified their spot amongst the cream 'o the crop as far as posters go ... excellent points .....

Personally, I feel that in the horror arena, the killing of kids and animals solidify the grim and real tone that makes for a realistic and enjoyable horror experience ...

THIS IS NOT TO SAY I CONDONE IT IN REAL LIFE

I am a vegetarian, and footage of real animal cruelty sickens me, and immediately devalues any form of art to zero .... Because it is real ..... Same goes for the killing of any living being ........ I am adjusted, intelligent, and secure enough to be able to seperate real from acted ......

As for movies - scary ones to be exact - I watch horror not to reassure myself that the world is a peacful and serene place ... I watch it to be moved emotionally, knowing that what I am watching is the end result of vision, creativity, and passion .........



****************mild Audition spolier alert ****************


Had Asami not killed the dog in AUDITION, the tone of the film would have suffered ... alot .... In my real life experience, I have worked with, rescued and saved many a dog's life, and I feel that a human who is capable of killing a dog is very sick .... But ya know what ??? ... Asami was sick ... She's supposed to do sick things ...

that's why it is called HORROR
post #34 of 88
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Originally posted by JoeDarkfall
How about in Pet Semetary 2. When the sheriff killed the bully with his motorcycle wheel? That was great.
What about when that kid's car is smashed by the potato (?) truck?
post #35 of 88
Sleepy hollow.
The others.
Non-horror: a lot of kids and even babies in Six feet under.

Gage was the cutest kid I've ever seen in a movie, easy.
post #36 of 88
All adults have a parental instinct towards children, which as far as I understand it is a chemical reaction to visual stimulus of a child's larger eyes, head and unformed frailer form that alarms the body when they see a child in danger. This reaction works just as well when a child is seen on screen(which is what made the end of Hard Boiled so great IMO) so that if a horror film really wants to fuck with the audience's nerves, it makes more sense to put a young child in immediate dangers than an adult. Essentially, we automatically care whether or not a child escapes the slasher/monster/rabid flea than some adult who is usually too stupid to survive.

That aside, I love it when a film has the balls to kill a kid or two
for fun like:

[SPOILERS FOR ALLIGATOR AND ICHI THE KILLER]

Alligator - that short fat kid that the mean kids force to "walk the plank" before getting eaten in the swimming pool. I love how cruel that was - and the kids that pushed him in got away!

and..

Ichi the Killer The kid that's been fucking around on the edge of a high-rise tower block the entire film makes the mistake of kicking Ichi for slitting his father's throat. This leads to the only child-decapatation in the history of cinema(a guess).
post #37 of 88
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Originally posted by BlondieJoeManco
This leads to the only child-decapatation in the history of cinema(a guess).
See: Sleepy hollow...

That scene in Ichi is gold indeed.
post #38 of 88
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Originally posted by alice's girl (chucky's ex)
See: Sleepy hollow...

That scene in Ichi is gold indeed.

And a poor guess it was - completley forgot that.
post #39 of 88
It doesn't make me uncomfortable to see the little girl getting shot in Assault On Precinct 13, but the animal cruelty in Cannibal Ferox/Holocaust makes me feel sick.

There is the issue of psychopaths getting triggered off by watching kids getting killed in movies. But the problem is that if media only works with the lowest common denominator in mind, we can't move forward and we become dumbed down.
post #40 of 88
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Originally posted by JessFranco!
The Beatles song Helter Skelter helped trigger Charles Manson. Catcher in the Rye helped set off Lennon's assassin.

Psychopaths can be triggered by anything. That's what makes them psychopaths. Horrible crimes against children and adults were taking place long before pop-culture horror films were around to influence anyone.

Hell, a Full House marathon on Nick at Night might set ME off...
Yeah, exactly. But you try telling that to the British Board Of Censors! Fight For Your Life won't be getting a UK release thats for sure. Speaking of which, that's just reminded me of another great kiddie killing. Fight For Your Life features a great one - repeated blows to the kid's head [in slo-mo] with a rock! Yikes!
post #41 of 88
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Originally posted by M5
City of God had a little kid getting shot in the foot and then one getting capped by another kid offscreen.
City Of God, which is more of a horror movie than pretty much every other genre entry in the past few years, is far more disturbing in its depictions of kids killing each other than Battle Royale IMO, as it's fact-based and not pure violent fantasy.
post #42 of 88

Kids getting killed in movies

I may be wrong as i have'nt seen it in a long time but does'nt a baby get shot by the main character in the serial killer mocumentary Man Bites Dog?
post #43 of 88
No. That baby thing was just on the poster. You know, you don't make a lot of money out of killing babies. Now old people...

He does kill a kid though: the one who tries to escape from the suburb house, in what has become the most famous scene of the movie..
post #44 of 88
Thats just reminded me of the scene in Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer, when Henry and Otis are video-ing their exploits. They kill a kid then, don't they?
post #45 of 88
In one of the omen movies the devil makes a nurse kill a ton of babies in a hospital.a stroller with a baby in it rolls down a hill and hit by a car,and a houswife fries her baby to death with a clothes iron.
post #46 of 88
Quote:
Originally posted by alice's girl (chucky's ex)
No. That baby thing was just on the poster. You know, you don't make a lot of money out of killing babies. Now old people...

He does kill a kid though: the one who tries to escape from the suburb house, in what has become the most famous scene of the movie..

You might be onto something with the old people, they should be doing stunt work on films. I know i'd rather check out by being in a fight scene with Uma Thurman than strapped to some hospital bed!
post #47 of 88
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Originally posted by EnemaBandit
You might be onto something with the old people, they should be doing stunt work on films. I know i'd rather check out by being in a fight scene with Uma Thurman than strapped to some hospital bed!
Huh?
The old people thing was a reference to the serial killer's philosophy in the movie.
post #48 of 88
Not enough kids are killed in horror movies just like not enough dogs are killed in disaster movies. I know it's nasty and no one wants to see young uns die but when a horror film shows a child getting murderised it puts the viewer in a scary place, a place where they'll think,
'Shit. if he's killing kids then no one's safe.'

And that's where a good horror film should take you.


Sorry if I sound morbid and sorry if I'm just reciting what a lot of you have said, I just read the first couple of posts then decided to reply.
post #49 of 88
It is a good point, there is alot more graphic content involving children in film these days where as before it did seem to be off limits. Good examples to the original poster.
post #50 of 88
Just as i posted this film came to mind, Battle Royale that Atarichild pointed out to me. There are two pictures from it here
http://moviesonline.ca/phpBB2/album_cat.php?cat_id=26

WARNING: it is graphic and involves children in horror depictions.
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