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post #1101 of 1141
2/6/05 at 2:30pm
word.....for some reason I was always under the impression that they were related. weird.
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post #1102 of 1141
2/7/05 at 4:49am
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NEWS to me


Man, look that grey hair!
Driver's assessment could be wrong

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Originally Posted by ESPN's Chris Mortenson
The quarterback, who has not told the Green Bay Packers whether he will play in 2005, was amused by the receiver's prediction that he would retire, sources close to Favre told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

Favre's decision is expected by the end of the month, and he's likely to return for a 15th season, Mortensen reported..
Fingers crossed, candles lit, rabbit's foot pocketed, Buddha rubbed.... Please, Brett, play. Pleeease!
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Moss Officially on the Block

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Originally Posted by Again, Mortenson.
It's looking more and more like Moss has played his last season in Minnesota after Vikings owner Red McCombs gave permission this week for the personnel office and coach Mike Tice to trade the wide receiver, team sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

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The Ravens, Jets and Raiders are expected to have serious interest. The Jets made an offer last year, sources said, but it fell far short of serious consideration.
I did not think this was going to happen. I, personally, thought Tice would get canned following the '05 season, and Moss would get traded leaving incoming management to do a faux-rebuilding around Culpepper. Some lucky QB is going to get a real treat this offseason. Boller is in need the most, and since they never got Owens I could see BAL meeting the necessary demands.

EDIT: But with Moss being gone in '05, Culpepper would still have Robinson, Burleson, and Campbell which is more than enough with a QB like Daunte. Tice could get a new contract with Minnesota after all.
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post #1103 of 1141
2/7/05 at 8:50am
Can't stand Moss and the Viks they were a match made in loser heaven too bad he'll get dealt.
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post #1104 of 1141
2/7/05 at 9:04am
The Vikes have the right idea though. Their recieving core is pretty solid and Nate Burelson is a star in the making.

Trading Moss for a good Defensive player is the right move. That D is in shambles. Baltimore has anice group of line backers that Minnesota would really benefit from having.
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post #1105 of 1141
2/8/05 at 9:22pm
Jesus H. Christ.

The Titans are going to hire Norm Chow. Del Rio didn't even freaking ASK him if he was interested before settling on his underwhelming understudy, Carl Smith.

Hello third place in the AFC South.
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post #1106 of 1141
2/9/05 at 2:11am
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Originally Posted by Stuber
But with Moss being gone in '05, Culpepper would still have Robinson, Burleson, and Campbell which is more than enough with a QB like Daunte. Tice could get a new contract with Minnesota after all.
the vikes are also something like 20 million under the salary cap for next season as well. so they could sign another reciever or even draft one high. this probably won't happen but the raiders are considered one of the teams going after moss. if that happens the vikings would pick up the #7 overall pick. williams or edwards could be available there.
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post #1107 of 1141
2/9/05 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by Fazer
The Vikes have the right idea though. Their recieving core is pretty solid and Nate Burelson is a star in the making.

Trading Moss for a good Defensive player is the right move. That D is in shambles. Baltimore has anice group of line backers that Minnesota would really benefit from having.
Perhaps a trade for Boulware and/or Suggs? Although Boulware was hurt all of last year, so I don't know if they'd jump at that or not. If this were Madden, I'd trade Ray Lewis for Randy Moss.

And wow, what a hire by the Titans of Norm Chow. I'll be interested to hear McNair's retirement decision now. Plus, the Colts may have a little offensive competition now in the AFC South, which is turning into a very competitive division...Colts, Titans, Jags, and Texans.
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post #1108 of 1141
2/9/05 at 4:26pm
lets see what chow can do. The titans still have a very potent offense, but it sputtered with mcnair being on and off the field so much. Hopefully he can heal up and his recievers stay healthy.

With Mason, Bennett (who had a great last half of the season) and a helathy Calico you have something formidable.

And Chris Brown proved himself as worthy to take over for eddie george as the full time starter.
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post #1109 of 1141
2/9/05 at 7:49pm
The Titans aren't really in that bad a shape. If they get back some players at full strength and add a few pieces I don't see how they couldn't be back in the thick of things.
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post #1110 of 1141
2/9/05 at 8:57pm
plus they still have a qb that only won an mvp 2 seasons ago. people have seemed to just written off the guy.
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post #1111 of 1141
2/9/05 at 8:58pm
Because they realize he's one of the most overrated players in NFL history.

They're better off with Volek.
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post #1112 of 1141
2/9/05 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Because they realize he's one of the most overrated players in NFL history.

They're better off with Volek.
I would agree with this. Plus you just can't depend on the guy being around from week to week.
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post #1113 of 1141
2/9/05 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Because they realize he's one of the most overrated players in NFL history.

They're better off with Volek.
They might be gunshy - this IS the franchise that got rid of Warren Moon to go with up-and-comer Cody Carlson. That one didn't work out to well in the long run.
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post #1114 of 1141
2/9/05 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by Fazer
And Chris Brown proved himself as worthy to take over for eddie george as the full time starter.
Speaking of guys you can't count on from week to week....Brown was about as durable as Kleenex this year. Pehenomenal talent, but as the saying goes "you can't help the club if you're in the tub."
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post #1115 of 1141
2/10/05 at 1:36am
better off with volek? yeah volek and his career 3 wins. that's absolutely histerical. mcnair carried his team to the super bowl before and is simply a playmaker. his stats do no justice to the type of player he is. if it's a close game he's the type of guy who will pull a rabbit out of his hat and pull it off.
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post #1116 of 1141
2/10/05 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
better off with volek? yeah volek and his career 3 wins. that's absolutely histerical. mcnair carried his team to the super bowl before and is simply a playmaker. his stats do no justice to the type of player he is. if it's a close game he's the type of guy who will pull a rabbit out of his hat and pull it off.
Assuming he is in the game.
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post #1117 of 1141
2/10/05 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
better off with volek? yeah volek and his career 3 wins.
Kurt Warner had none going into 1999 and he went and won a Super Bowl.
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post #1118 of 1141
2/10/05 at 1:34pm
McNair has the talent to be a great player, but unfortunately he has developed the body of Touchdown Tommy Vardell. He spends more time in the training room than he does actually training.
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post #1119 of 1141
2/10/05 at 5:05pm
Yep and McNair like Donovan, Gannon, Vick, Peyton, Daunte and Pennington have won many games but not *Thee* game.
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post #1120 of 1141
2/10/05 at 5:11pm
I wish Chad Pennington belonged in that list.
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post #1121 of 1141
2/11/05 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah
Kurt Warner had none going into 1999 and he went and won a Super Bowl.
yeah ok, because what warner did has happened countless times before. please don't compare volek to a guy who had possibly the greatest 3 season stretch for a qb in nfl history. volek is a fine qb but come on.
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post #1122 of 1141
2/11/05 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
yeah ok, because what warner did has happened countless times before. please don't compare volek to a guy who had possibly the greatest 3 season stretch for a qb in nfl history. volek is a fine qb but come on.
Yeah, but think about it. Back in 1999, Trent Green was the starter for the Rams and got hurt in the preseason. Kurt Warner, 3rd string at the time, was anointed the starter. If people had said "Hey, the Rams are better off with Kurt Warner than Trent Green" before game one of 1999, they would have been met with the same reaction. "Please, Kurt Warner is an arena league reject with no career wins, Trent Green threw for 3400 yards for a pathetic Washington team, you is nuts for suggesting they're better off with Warner."

McNair is talented, but talent only does you so much good on the bench. Volek has shown he can put up the passing numbers. I submit that the dropoff between McNair and Volek isn't as huge of a chasm as you think.
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post #1123 of 1141
2/12/05 at 1:58pm
Volek is also a highly unknown quantity - the Titans may be in the situation of falling in love with their backup QB, something usually only fans suffer from.

Volek comes in for a game or two and proves he can have success, but goes back to the bench before being "exposed" (for lack of a better word) by coaches having large amounts of tape on him and finding his weak spots. Whether or not he could translate 2 or 3 games of success into a full season is the big question with him, or any backup who has limited playing time.

That's why the great ones are great - they succeed AFTER opposing defenses have found weak points and schemed to exploit them.
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post #1124 of 1141
2/12/05 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah
Yeah, but think about it. Back in 1999, Trent Green was the starter for the Rams and got hurt in the preseason. Kurt Warner, 3rd string at the time, was anointed the starter. If people had said "Hey, the Rams are better off with Kurt Warner than Trent Green" before game one of 1999, they would have been met with the same reaction. "Please, Kurt Warner is an arena league reject with no career wins, Trent Green threw for 3400 yards for a pathetic Washington team, you is nuts for suggesting they're better off with Warner."
Or he could just be the next AJ Feeley.

Also, regardless of how great Warner's years were, we have no idea what Trent Green could have done with that explosive offense, so to say that Warner was an upgrade over Green is hard for me to swallow. The guy started five games for those Ram teams and threw for 2,000 yards, 16TDs and 5INTs, on top of that, he's still producing big time numbers for the Kansas City Cheifs while Kurt Warner was benched in favor of Marc Bulger and Eli Manning.
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post #1125 of 1141
2/15/05 at 12:14am
ESPN reports the Eagles are interested in signing Muhsin Muhammed and Shaun Alexander.

Wow. And the 2005 NFC becomes a moot point two weeks after the Superbowl.
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post #1126 of 1141
2/15/05 at 3:31am
there's no way they get alexander when they still have to resign westbrook which i say they most likely will.
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post #1127 of 1141
2/15/05 at 3:19pm
They actually can afford all three, but I don't see why they'd get a guy who would be unhappy sharing carries with Westbrook.

Muhammad would be nice, though.
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post #1128 of 1141
2/15/05 at 3:53pm
Jeff Garcia is gone from the Browns, allegedly. They will announce it when the FA period begins next week. Also was said that the Chargers are putting the franchise tag on Brees.
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post #1129 of 1141
2/15/05 at 5:14pm
Muhammad may cause chemistry problems with TO. Plus with Westbrook and Buckhalter coming back next year why would you want to pay for a whiny softy in Alexander?
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post #1130 of 1141
2/15/05 at 5:16pm
The Falcons are the ones who should be going after Muhammad.
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post #1131 of 1141
2/15/05 at 7:39pm
Buckhalter is a free agent, and after two seasons of injury, I don't know if he'll be back. If he is, they certainly can't count on him.

I don't think Alexander will come, or Muhammad. But Muhammad could work.

I haven't heard anything about this stuff, though, aside from this thread, so it's probably not real at all.
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post #1132 of 1141
2/16/05 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by Tongaonevai
Muhammad may cause chemistry problems with TO. Plus with Westbrook and Buckhalter coming back next year why would you want to pay for a whiny softy in Alexander?

I agree with the whiny part but soft I mean come on. To me thats just unoriginal thought regurgated back from what you have heard a few so called "experts" say in articles and pre game shows. Alexander is far from soft other than Priest I would venture a guess he has the most TD's in the NFL the past 3 seasons. You dont score TD's on goaline offense as frequently as he does by being soft.
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post #1133 of 1141
2/16/05 at 2:50am
ya, this soft tag on alexander really smells of media tagging after his outburst over not getting the rushing title.

The man has been on amission the last 2-3 years and has proven himself one of the elite backs in the league. He is going to help any team he goes to.
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post #1134 of 1141
2/16/05 at 11:23am
Alexander has been on my keeper fantasy team for the past 2 years, and I can attest that he's always finished as one of the Top 3 backs at the end of the FFL year (I'll be keeping him for my 3rd and final season as well).

Also just saw on the ESPN ticker that the Bills will release Bledsoe. No word on if they'll try to re-sign him at a lower cost, or just go with Losman and pick up someone as a backup. I would imagine there will be lots of opportunities for the backup/potential starting QBs this off-season (Bledsoe, Tommy Maddox, Kurt Warner, Rich Gannon(!!?), Brad Johnson, etc.).
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post #1135 of 1141
2/16/05 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by Wease
I agree with the whiny part but soft I mean come on. To me thats just unoriginal thought regurgated back from what you have heard a few so called "experts" say in articles and pre game shows. Alexander is far from soft other than Priest I would venture a guess he has the most TD's in the NFL the past 3 seasons. You dont score TD's on goaline offense as frequently as he does by being soft.
The soft tag he is labeled with is nothing new. He has been carrying it for awhile now. TD's do not equal toughness. Is he for sure leaving Seattle?
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post #1136 of 1141
2/16/05 at 4:15pm
Sigh...I really feel bad for Bledsoe. He has had a rough few years in Buffalo. He had a shot at a superbowl with the parcells' pats and then he got knocked out for the emergence of Tom Brady...

I sincerely hope Parcells picks him up and lets him start in Dallas. I would really like to see Bledsoe have some sincere success before he retires. He is a really good QB. He just got a raw deal in Buffalo with inconsistent weapons. Although I thought the latter half of this '04 season would have saved his job because the Bills were really hot, but I guess you could argue it was due to Mcgahee and not really BLedsoe.
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post #1137 of 1141
2/16/05 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by Fazer
He just got a raw deal in Buffalo with inconsistent weapons. Although I thought the latter half of this '04 season would have saved his job because the Bills were really hot, but I guess you could argue it was due to Mcgahee and not really BLedsoe.
True. I feel this sets back the Bills a couple of years.

They were awful close last year, and McGahee was going to be the focus of the offense anyway, but I feel that they would have a better chance to win with Bledsoe this year than with tossing 2005 and 2006 aside with Losman. Some local folks seem to disagree, but it's been five years since Buffalo's made the playoffs and it'll be at least two more with Losman. Not that I have anything against him, just that the idea of throwing the team in the lap of a rookie QB bothers me. I really hope I'm wrong.
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post #1138 of 1141
2/16/05 at 7:40pm
The key with Bledsoe is the same with Kurt Warner they can't move and they are total pocket passers. Meaning if you have an offensive line thats weak you're toast. They tend to hold on to the football as well.

Theres no questioning the arm and the ability however. I agree with Fazer I feel sad for Drew.
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post #1139 of 1141
2/16/05 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by Tongaonevai
The soft tag he is labeled with is nothing new. He has been carrying it for awhile now. TD's do not equal toughness. Is he for sure leaving Seattle?

Exactly my point it is a label given to him by a few so called "experts" and you regurgitate it back like its gospel. Also sorry TD's for a RB do equate toughness goalline yards are where running backs get 75-80 percent of their touch downs and anyone will tell you punching it in from the 1 or 2 is probably the hardest thing to do in football for a RB. Shit think off all the good backs who cant bloody score from the 2 they are countless so a guy who does it pretty consistenly cant be considered soft. The whole he is soft tag started anyways because he plays in a west coast offense and west coast backs usually aint known for their toughness. Also if Td's dont equate toughness for you what does? Missing playing time? Well correct me if I am wrong I dont think Alexander has missed more than a game or two in the past 4 seasons. So he scores alot never misses time and carries it 20-25 times a game if that aint tough I dont what is.
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post #1140 of 1141
2/16/05 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by Wease
Exactly my point it is a label given to him by a few so called "experts" and you regurgitate it back like its gospel. Also sorry TD's for a RB do equate toughness goalline yards are where running backs get 75-80 percent of their touch downs and anyone will tell you punching it in from the 1 or 2 is probably the hardest thing to do in football for a RB. Shit think off all the good backs who cant bloody score from the 2 they are countless so a guy who does it pretty consistenly cant be considered soft. The whole he is soft tag started anyways because he plays in a west coast offense and west coast backs usually aint known for their toughness. Also if Td's dont equate toughness for you what does? Missing playing time? Well correct me if I am wrong I dont think Alexander has missed more than a game or two in the past 4 seasons. So he scores alot never misses time and carries it 20-25 times a game if that aint tough I dont what is.
1) He does not run hard
2) He is tacked way too easy.
3) Never breaks tackles
4) Run out of bounds all the time
5) Does not get stronger as the game goes on but weaker

Don't get pissed dude, it's okay. He is a very good and talented back but "soft and whiner" are apt when it comes to Alexander. He would not be a good fit for the Eagles. Miami perhaps?
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post #1141 of 1141
2/17/05 at 12:15am
I aint pissed at all dude I dont even really like Alexander just the soft label is wrong. Thats the first palce someone goes when they criticize him though the soft label. It shows no originality you just repeat what you heard a few columnists say. Shit magine what he would do if he did run hard Christ he would have rushed for 2300 or 2400 this year. That not running hard is a joke its just his style or running plenty of guys i.e Marcus Allen Eric Dickerson ran with a style that looked effortless but they were still running hard. Oh yeah Allen was TD machine like Alexander too and no one has ever called him soft. Ya dont have to run like the Bus to be considerd tough you know. I agree on the whiner bit though the way he reacted to not getting the rushing tiltle was brutal. Anyways to the original post of he was going to the Eagles wrote by some one I doubt it they dont need him at all and Alexander would be a better fit in Miami or even Oakland or some team who truly needs a running back
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