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Official Trade Deadline Thread

post #1 of 113
6/19/04 at 1:42am
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The MLB 2004 thread does not get much use, so we should do this.

Hildalgo is now a Met. They do need offensive help, and Hildalgo could help if he returns to form. I have never been high on him, but he could just need a change of venue. Who knows?

I do not know the Mets bullpen, but do not the Mets need relief pitching? has it not been shakey all year? i know looper has been pretty good, but has not the rest been a bit off?
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post #2 of 113
6/19/04 at 2:05am
Well, if you listen to Mets fans, David Weathers is somewhere between Mark Wohlers and Mel Rojas...

Anywho, he was a guy that you could throw out on an almost daily basis to eat some tough innings. He'll be missed, but the plus side is that Orber Moreno (when he comes off the DL) and Ricky Bottalico will get more appearances. Outside of Braden Looper, they've been our two best relievers, yet they've been underused to say the least.

On the Hidalgo side of the deal, even if he doesn't come out of this slump entirely, that cannon of an arm isn't going anywhere.

About Zito (from the other thread): IIRC Barry Zito signed a deal through his arbitration eligible years, and has an option for 2006. And, in regards to the teams that need to win now, they have the money to go after the guy. If he doesn't pan out, the Yankees can just dump him on the Dodgers or something .

I was looking at Zito as a Mets fan (they've been rumored to be in market for his services, with Rick Peterson being his old pitching coach and what not), who knows that the Oakland A's will be demanding big time prospects. I just look at it as a risk, and Zito's trade value is too high with so many years left at such a reasonable number.
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post #3 of 113
6/19/04 at 2:31am
the a's aren't gonna trade zito when he doesn't cost them a whole lot and still has a few year's left on his contract. unless some team came to them and offered them something they couldn't refuse.
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post #4 of 113
6/19/04 at 3:09am
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I cant see the A's trading Zito, either. But, the thing is, with no major pitchers out there, someone may just blow the A's away with an offer. After Garcia, who is out there??? It is also pretty early in the season because the teams have not thinned out yet. Who knows? Someone could get hurt or a team can tank it.

Monkaholic:

Speaking of the Mets, I saw that kid Wright play a few days ago against the Syracuse Sky Chiefs. He did not do anything spectacular, but he has a real quick STRONG swing (balls were exploding off his bat). He is also a physcial specimen: just massive. He would probably be #1 on anyones list if the Mets want to trade for somebody.
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post #5 of 113
6/19/04 at 12:36pm
Heh, they say he's a work out fiend, which can be considered a negative... but after Mo Vaughn, I think I can live with the other end of the spectrum.

I still haven't had a chance to see him play, but from what I hear, he's got some quick hands at third, and looks to be set to develop some real major league type power.

So yeah, I don't want to move the guy in the least... and theres no way a deal for a guy like Zito gets done without him.
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post #6 of 113
6/20/04 at 8:32pm
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June 18th:

TRADE:

Wilson Valdez to White Sox

Billy Koch to Florida

Impact? Depends if Koch can throw strikes. I doubt he will be the closer, but will be the back up for Benitez (they'll need one).

TRADE:

Gabe White to Cincy

Charlie Manning to NY Yankees.

Impact? Umm... I guess this one really was not worth posting. Yanks get a left-handed reliever from the minors. They will probably bring him up because they are short on quality left-handed bullpen arms.
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post #7 of 113
6/22/04 at 1:52am
Thread Starter 
TRADE:

Royals send Jason Grimsley to O's

O's send Denny Bautista to Royal's

Bautista is pretty good. Grimsley is what he is, but is he worth a young arm that has been doing pretty good in the O's rotation???
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post #8 of 113
6/23/04 at 3:08am
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
TRADE:

Royals send Jason Grimsley to O's

O's send Denny Bautista to Royal's

Bautista is pretty good. Grimsley is what he is, but is he worth a young arm that has been doing pretty good in the O's rotation???
No.
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post #9 of 113
6/23/04 at 3:15am
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Well, the O's are out of it. I do not see what the point is.
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post #10 of 113
6/24/04 at 11:32pm
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TRADE:

Carlos Beltran goes to the Astros.

Astros send Dotel to the A's.

A's send two prospects, Mark Teahen (3rd Baseman) and Mike Wood (right handed pitcher) to the Royals. The Astros send prospect John Buck (catcher) to the Royals.




Did not see this one coming before today. The Royals get just what they want: something that will not help them win anytime soon. The A's seem to steal Dotel, for no reason other then they can. The Astros get Beltran to fill an already damn good lineup.

Did the Astros give away too much in the 'pen? Can they fill the spot left by Dotel with Lidge and trade deadline aquisitions?

Why do the Royals even have a franchise any longer? This is a disgrace. Teams like the Brewers trade Sexton and get 4 starters and are capable of winning now (I know they have a great farm system and that trade was a short term solution) and the Royals get prospects not ready for prime time. Teams like the Royals and the Pirates make me sick.

The A's continue to fleece the league.

EDIT FOR MORE INFO

John Buck is hitting .300 with 12 jacks in AAA, so it seems he may contribute soon.

Teahen, of Moneyball fame, was mashing in AA but has kinda struggled in AAA.

Wood is 11-3 in AAA with a 2.80 ERA and a whip at about 1.2. He has struck out 66 in 90ish innings, so he does not seem like a hard thrower.
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post #11 of 113
6/24/04 at 11:46pm
Wow you're right Angel it is sick how the Pirates and Royals run their teams. Houston just lost their best pitcher out of the bullpen. I don't get it. Micili is already overused and they got Weathers but can you count on him? Beltran is gonna rip it up with the stros but I doubt they will keep him come offseason. Ala the Big Unit. Still if they weren't contenders for the World Series already maybe its time to say they are. They need Petitte though. A's look like they are ready to give the Halos a run for their money. We'll see how this all plays out.
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post #12 of 113
6/24/04 at 11:48pm
If the Stros can find a quality setup man to sandwich between Lidge and Weathers, this trade will prove to be a positive. Whether or not they can may very well be the most important question from now until the trading deadline.

The A's drastically improve their team midseason-what else is new-and the Royals... well, they're the Royals, what else did you expect?
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post #13 of 113
6/24/04 at 11:52pm
Weathers blows. He sucked when the Cubs traded for him, he sucked w/ the Mets this year and he gave up 2 runs in his Astros debut.
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post #14 of 113
6/24/04 at 11:55pm
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Middle relief guys do not seem to be to hard to find. They are not a dime a dozen, but there are teams like the Orioles, Mariners, Tigers, Expos, Braves (maybe), Reds (its inevitable), Colorado, Toronto, Tampa, and others may be willing to cut payroll by the deadline. There has to be some worthy relief pitching on the market.

If the Reds fall out of the picture, do you think Danny Graves will be on the market?
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post #15 of 113
6/24/04 at 11:59pm
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Originally posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Weathers blows. He sucked when the Cubs traded for him, he sucked w/ the Mets this year and he gave up 2 runs in his Astros debut.
Weathers had two quality seasons for the Mets, and really, he's been overworked. He's lost velocity, and has been fairly mediocre this season. If the Astros had a decent manager (Hah), I wouldn't be surprised by a decent second half out of him.

Oh, and just to nit-pick, his first appearance for the Astros was: 2IP, 2SO, 0H, 0BB. He didn't give up a run-or a baserunner for that matter-until his third appearance as an Astro.
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post #16 of 113
6/25/04 at 12:03am
was the 1st time I saw him in the box scores, my bad. Weathers is not scary, Pettite is still hurt, Clemens is getting rocked, Bagwell can't throw, and at the plate they aren't clutch. Plus they are 5-10 when Oswalt starts. The Astros are dreaming if they think they are in anything.
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post #17 of 113
6/25/04 at 12:03am
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Jimy Williams is the worst. On pure baseball decisionmaking, Jimy Williams ranks at about where Art Howe ranks, haha.

He is capable of taking the team to the postseason (he took Boston to the postseason in 1995 and 1997), but I do not think they will do anything there when weaknesses like game management becomes more appearent.
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post #18 of 113
6/25/04 at 12:15am
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
Jimy Williams is the worst. On pure baseball decisionmaking, Jimy Williams ranks at about where Art Howe ranks, haha.
Seriously, I think he's actually worse. No small feat, to say the least.
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post #19 of 113
6/25/04 at 12:17am
Art Howe didn't do too bad in Oakland and now that he has players in NY the Mets are playing better,

Jimmy Williams had the division given to them on a platter last year and had a HUGE advantage this year and he keeps making the wrong moves.

When will Seattle realize they are out of it and give the Cubs Eddie Guardado?
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post #20 of 113
6/25/04 at 12:44am
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The problem is, Art Howe makes stupid personnel moves consistantly. He does not know how to manage a pitching staff, and many times hurts his team more then he helps them.

They win, but it is despite him.
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post #21 of 113
6/25/04 at 10:34am
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Originally posted by MoNkaholic
the plus side is that ... Ricky Bottalico will get more appearances
You'll be regretting that statement.
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post #22 of 113
6/26/04 at 2:00am
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
The problem is, Art Howe makes stupid personnel moves consistantly. He does not know how to manage a pitching staff, and many times hurts his team more then he helps them.

They win, but it is despite him.
Also, and I think this might be because he is getting on in years, Howe seems to think he is coaching a little league team. As soon as the 6th or 7th inning rolls around, Howe just HAS to put in scrubs like Joe McEwing or take Piazza and Floyd out of the game. There have been times this year when it cost the Mets dearly not having those bats in the lineup late in a game. Plain and simple, Howe is a horrible manager. I still don't see the logic in hiring him- you lose out on the one manager you had set your eyes on......and then go and hire his total opposite?

I mean really. WTF is that?
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post #23 of 113
6/27/04 at 8:36pm
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ChiSox add another arm to repertoire
CHICAGO -- The Chicago White Sox acquired right-hander Freddy Garcia from the Seattle Mariners on Sunday, bolstering their starting rotation for the AL Central race.

The White Sox gave up young catcher Miguel Olivo, top prospect Jeremy Reed and minor league infielder Michael Morse in the trade. Chicago also gets catcher Ben Davis and cash from the Mariners...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1830535
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post #24 of 113
6/27/04 at 8:52pm
I hear rumors that people are sniffing around Milwaukee about Craig Counsell, but nothing has occurred as of yet.
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post #25 of 113
6/27/04 at 8:59pm
Fuck. The Mariners got dick for Garcia that they needed. They don't need a catcher so they better hope Reed turns out to be special. Oh well. They just managed to get worse if that's at all possible.
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post #26 of 113
6/27/04 at 9:06pm
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FEBRUARY 4, 2004 - Baseball America Top Ten Prospects: Chicago White Sox

Top Prospect: Jeremy Reed, OF

Age: 22 Ht.: 6-0 Wt.: 185 Bats: L Throws: L
Drafted: Long Beach State, 2002 (2nd round)
Signed by: Joe Butler/Matt Hattabaugh

Background: Doug Laumann, who lasted three years as the White Sox’ scouting director, may have hit a home run with Reed. Reed played mostly first base during his first two seasons at Long Beach State before moving to the outfield as a junior. Laumann and scouts Joe Butler and Matt Hattabaugh saw enough to project him as a big league center fielder. It required less faith to envision Reed producing with a wood bat. He used wood when he won the Alaska League MVP award in 2000, and again when he led Team USA in hitting with a .366 average in 2001. But even Chicago has been surprised at how quickly Reed has adapted to pro ball. After hitting .319 at low Class A Kannapolis in his pro debut, Reed led the minors with a .373 average and .453 on-base percentage last year. He was at his best after a promotion to Double-A Birmingham, hitting .409-7-43 with 18 steals. After the season, Reed started in the outfield for the Team USA squad that was upset by Mexico in the Olympic qualifying tourament.

Strengths: Reed can really hit. He not only has a simple stroke that allows him to make contact almost at will but he also has a terrific eye for the strike zone. He walked nearly twice as much as he struck out in 2003. Wally Backman, his manager at Birmingham, says Reed has such an advanced ability to anticipate pitches that he sometimes helps teammates prepare for at-bats. Like a young Rafael Palmeiro, Reed uses the whole park with his line-drive stroke and should develop more power in time, though he’ll generate a lot more doubles than homers. He’ll probably max out at 15-20 homers annually. Reed runs well and has a natural aggressiveness that allows him to stretch hits into an extra base. He has become an average center fielder and should get better with more experience there. His arm is average, and he could possibly play right field if he can’t stick in center.

Weaknesses: Reed’s aggressiveness occasionally turns into recklessness. He needs to pick his spots better as a basestealer after getting caught in 13 of 31 attempts in Double-A. If he proves unable to handle center field, he won’t have the home run power typical of a corner outfielder. Reed sprained his right wrist while with the U.S. qualifying team, but he’s expected to be fine by spring training.

The Future: Reed is on the fast track to Chicago. He’ll go to big league camp as a nonroster invitee, and the White Sox don’t have a clear-cut center fielder. Several club officials would like to see Reed get a full season at Triple-A Charlotte, however, and he’ll likely open the season playing alongside Joe Borchard there. With Magglio Ordonez one year away from free agency, it’s conceivable both Reed and Borchard will be regulars in 2005.
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post #27 of 113
6/27/04 at 9:36pm
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Originally posted by Chavez
I hear rumors that people are sniffing around Milwaukee about Craig Counsell, but nothing has occurred as of yet.
That completely sounds like the type of rumor that a team circulates themselves hoping that it kickstarts some interest in a player they'd just as soon move.
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post #28 of 113
6/27/04 at 9:47pm
That could very well be - Bill Hall could easily take over the starting SS position, and JJ Hardy, though injured, might even be called up in Sept.
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post #29 of 113
6/27/04 at 11:49pm
Thanks for the info on Reed, didn't know much about the kid and though he does sound promising the last thing the Mariners need is another non-powerhitting centerfielder. Though they could use someone who can reach base consistently besides Ichiro, they really need a guy with some pop, and Reed isn't big enough to be that guy. I was just hoping they land someone with some pop in the bat. I guess Moyer is next on the auction block.

Jamie Moyer deserves to be on a better team right now. Great guy and an outstanding pitcher.
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post #30 of 113
6/28/04 at 12:05am
Don't worry about Jeremy Reed. He's the goods. If the Sox don't win anything this year, he'll be one of those that Chicago will cry about letting go.
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post #31 of 113
6/28/04 at 12:21am
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Originally posted by Boomstick
Don't worry about Jeremy Reed. He's the goods. If the Sox don't win anything this year, he'll be one of those that Chicago will cry about letting go.
Start crying now cuz White Sox aren't going to win.

Giving up a current starter for Garcia is a horrible move by Williams. But Williams gave up alot last year too.
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post #32 of 113
6/28/04 at 12:29am
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Fuck. The Mariners got dick for Garcia that they needed. They don't need a catcher so they better hope Reed turns out to be special. Oh well. They just managed to get worse if that's at all possible.
The Mariners got YOUTH for Garcia, which is something the Mariners really needed. Looking at your roster, you will be trading a few more of those guys to get youth in return.
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post #33 of 113
6/28/04 at 12:33am
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Originally posted by NervousXtian, gonzo journalist.
Jamie Moyer deserves to be on a better team right now. Great guy and an outstanding pitcher.
The rumblings I hear are that the Yankees are interested, but Yankee prospects? Their system is barren.
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post #34 of 113
6/28/04 at 7:53am
We'll take Giambi or Jeter off your hands.
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post #35 of 113
6/28/04 at 3:25pm
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The rumblings I hear are that the Yankees are interested, but Yankee prospects? Their system is barren.
I'd take Matsui. Is it just me or do you think that Matsui is going to be a star in this league for the next five years? This guy can flat out hit the baseball. He would be getting more press if he was not in New York and overshadowed by Jeter, A-Rod, Sheff, and Giambi.
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post #36 of 113
6/28/04 at 6:35pm
I actually think it's the opposite, guys get far more national press for playing in NY.

For instance, who do more people know, Hideki Matsui or Brian Giles?

Anyway, the Yankees wouldn't trade Matsui, nor would he be all that lucrative to teams looking to shed salary.
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post #37 of 113
6/28/04 at 11:18pm
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
I'd take Matsui. Is it just me or do you think that Matsui is going to be a star in this league for the next five years? This guy can flat out hit the baseball. He would be getting more press if he was not in New York and overshadowed by Jeter, A-Rod, Sheff, and Giambi.
Monk is right, you're out of your mind if you think there is a single player on the Yanks being shorted national attention.
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post #38 of 113
6/28/04 at 11:33pm
The Yanks aren't going to get rid of the guy who brings in all that Nippon dough. Every game televised in Japan too. Incredible. Matsui is a badass, not as much for raw stats but for his reliability and 120% mentality. After A-Rod and Jeter, he's the best draw on the team.
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post #39 of 113
7/2/04 at 1:22am
Anybody from Boston on? I'm hearing Boston, Toronto and Los Angeles are going to have a three team trade involving Nomah, Delgado and Izturis...

Can anybody corroborate? At least that would explain Nomah's absence from last nights game.
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post #40 of 113
7/2/04 at 2:17am
Gammons was talking about them moving Nomar, but when isn't Gammons talking about the BoSox?
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post #41 of 113
7/2/04 at 2:19am
who would get who? that trade makes no sense at all to me. there must be other players involved because i can only see the dodgers obtaining delgado or nomar and there's no chance they'd get both of them. unless the dodgers get nomar, the bosox get delgado and the jays get izturis. even then why would boston want delgado when they already have ortiz. i think they'd want a pitcher instead.
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post #42 of 113
7/22/04 at 5:57pm
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This is the most boring trade deadline ever. Even if Randy Johnson gets traded (which is no lock), this still may be the most boring crop of available players ever. It will only be a good year if a couple of the following transactions occur:

1) Beltran traded again
2) Larry Walker traded
3) Zito traded
4) Nomah traded
5) Sweeney traded

Those five players are impact players. It is so sad that Benson is the second option behind Johnson. If I were a team in need of pitching, I would not waste prospects on Kris Benson.

The rest of the crop:
Finley
Delgado
any Mariner
Randa and others
are not worth the prospects or the phone call.

There is maybe one player outside the five that are mentioned first (Beltran, Walker, Zito, Nomah, and Sweeney) that I would trade to acquire and that is Frank Catalanotto. He will not be impossible to acquire and the guy can flat out hit. Your thoughts?
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post #43 of 113
7/22/04 at 8:44pm
Yeah its been boring.

Personally as much as i'd love to see Randy in a Angels uni. I wouldn't give up Ortiz. So I think the Angels should trade prospect Kotchman and another prospect for Benson. He'll be cheaper and easier to keep.

I am surprised Nomar isn't gonna be traded. My bet is he will leave Boston at the end of the season. Finally sticking it to Mgmt. ala the Rocket. The deal i'm curious about is Larry Walker to Atlanta. Possible they might make a play at Georgia native Benson as well.
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post #44 of 113
7/22/04 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by Archangel Ninja
The rest of the crop:
Delgado

There is maybe one player outside the five that are mentioned first (Beltran, Walker, Zito, Nomah, and Sweeney) that I would trade to acquire and that is Frank Catalanotto. He will not be impossible to acquire and the guy can flat out hit. Your thoughts?
Delgado's invoked his no-trade clause, so he's not going anywhere.

Nobody will trade for Catalanotto because of his bad back. He's already been on the DL once this season and despite his big stick, he really has no defensive position for an NL team. Two years ago, I thought he was a great pickup and was looking forward to him being our 2-hole hitter, but now I find myself wondering if we would have been better off keeping Kielty.
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post #45 of 113
7/22/04 at 9:21pm
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I know Delgado envoked the No Trade clause and I think its pathetic. He is going to be a free agent at the end of the year, he is going to be in another town, what would be keeping him in Toronto? It just seems like he does not care. The guy is not a Hall of Famer. He is grossly overrated (after signing the big contract he has had ONE good year... ONE). The guy is not worth top prospects, and is probably only worth 2 or 3 marginal prospects at best.
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post #46 of 113
7/23/04 at 3:49am
Made the mistake of picking Delgado first in the fantasy draft. I thought Delgado and Wells would have clobbered in the AL East. Boy was I wrong and i'm paying for it.
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post #47 of 113
7/23/04 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by Archangel Ninja
I know Delgado envoked the No Trade clause and I think its pathetic. He is going to be a free agent at the end of the year, he is going to be in another town, what would be keeping him in Toronto? It just seems like he does not care. The guy is not a Hall of Famer. He is grossly overrated (after signing the big contract he has had ONE good year... ONE). The guy is not worth top prospects, and is probably only worth 2 or 3 marginal prospects at best.
if you consider basically averaging about 40 homers, 120 rbi and batting about .290 the past half decade or so before this season not so great well then i guess you're right in making him out to nothing great. i don't think anybody has ever said he's hall of fame material anyway. he's sucking cock this season but he still got a lot of gas left in his tank. don't be surprised if he get's his average up to about .250 or .260 and have about 90 rbi's before the season is over.
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post #48 of 113
7/23/04 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by Archangel Ninja
I know Delgado envoked the No Trade clause and I think its pathetic. He is going to be a free agent at the end of the year, he is going to be in another town, what would be keeping him in Toronto? It just seems like he does not care. The guy is not a Hall of Famer. He is grossly overrated (after signing the big contract he has had ONE good year... ONE).
Year Age Team GP AB RS H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB K BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
2000 28 TOR AL 162 569 115 196 57 1 41 137 0 1 123 104 .344 .470 .664 378 0 4 18 15 12
2001 29 TOR AL 162 574 102 160 31 1 39 102 3 0 111 136 .279 .408 .540 310 0 3 22 16 9
2002 30 TOR AL 143 505 103 140 34 2 33 108 1 0 102 126 .277 .406 .549 277 0 8 18 13 8
2003 31 TOR AL 161 570 117 172 38 1 42 145 0 0 109 137 .302 .426 .593 338 0 7 23 19 9

Sorry, anyone who gets that much respect from pitchers has to be good at something.

This is a lost year, not only for Delgado but for all of the Blue Jays. Everyone's been on the DL and the supposedly new and improved pitching staff has pitched like crap.

Delgado wants to stay in Toronto. Why? They like him there. You've proven that nobody outside of Toronto appreciates what kind of game he has, so why wouldn't he want to stay where he's liked?
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post #49 of 113
7/23/04 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by Archangel Ninja
This is the most boring trade deadline ever.
Weren't the big names last year Sidney Ponson, Aaron Boone, Jeff Suppan, Carl Everett, Roberto Alomar, Jeromy Burnitz, Kenny Lofton, Aramis Ramirez, Shannon Stewart and Scott Williamson? Perhaps I'm forgetting someone big, but wouldn't Carlos Beltran and Octavio Dotel trump that entire list all by themselves?

Randy Johnson, Eddie Guardado, Nomar Garciaparr, Mike Sweeney, Larry Walker and Kris Benson are still available, and I keep hearing strange rumors involving guys that have no business getting traded (Mark Teixeira, Ben Sheets and Barry Zito). I haven't seen this many big names in midseason trade rumors in a long, long time.
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post #50 of 113
7/25/04 at 3:04am
there's no way in hell teixeira and sheets will get traded but i agree with you. last seasons trades weren't much. the only big one was giles after the deadline passed but he was going to a team that had no chance at the playoffs.
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