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post #1 of 81
6/22/04 at 12:41am
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Since NBA basketball hasn't been played much in Chicago since 1998 the only thing to get excited about(besides last season's glimmer of hope) is the NBA draft. And It's this Thursday.

But Before that the Charlotte Bobcats ge to pick from the high priced and low talent pool that is the expansion draft.

The Bobcats have already made a trade getting the #2 pick from the Clippers. Some other crappy player(s) is in the Deal.

So thursday is the NBA draft and there are no blye chip players that are sure fire studs like Shaq, Mourning, and Duncan were. It's a crapshoot.

And there is a trade that will happen if the expansion draft goes well.
who gets what
Orlando-Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato.
Houston-Tracey Mcgrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue

Howard, Mobley and Kato are on the expansion list so the deal isn't set in stone. I think Orlando gets the better end of the deal. McGrady seems like a selfish player w/ little to no heart. W/ the #1 pick Orlando could improve to the playoffs w/ the weak East(after the top 2-3 teams).

So does anyone care about the draft? The Bulls pick 3 and I hear they will trade the pick no matter what. Any other deals out there? Any people's teams want the 3rd pick?
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post #2 of 81
6/22/04 at 1:20am
McGrady and Ming, hrmmm... I've already seen what Francis and Mobley do with Ming (that is, play keep away), now they're going to be paired up with next to nothing. I guess they'll be pretty darn happy, they'll get the ball to themselves, and nobody will give two shits about it.

I'm really just curious as to where Shaq ends up this season, my team has no shot, and no future at this point... So I live vicariously through the franchises that actually matter.
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post #3 of 81
6/22/04 at 1:36am
Just waiting for the other shoe(s) to drop here in Lakerland.

And don't forget, the divisons are being realigned next year.

I may not have this quite right from memory but it's along the lines of this:

NY, NJ, TOR, BOS, PHI

IND, CHI, CLE, DET, MIL

ATL, MIA, WSH, ORL, CHAR
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SA, DAL, HOU, MEM, NO

MIN, SEA, DEN, UT, PHX

LAL, LAC, GS, SAC, PORT

And that's going to make the East even weirder, and hell, the west too.
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post #4 of 81
6/22/04 at 4:37am
Draft looks awful this year. What is it 15 high schoolers are in this year? Count me unexcited. Real curious about the trades though. Bobcats would be smart to grab Mobley btw.
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post #5 of 81
6/22/04 at 9:36am
Nah, theres just no LeBron James to get excited about, but there is some real legit guys out there.
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post #6 of 81
6/22/04 at 10:07pm
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The expansion draft was held and the Bobcats have a team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1826536

F Lonny Baxter* Washington
G J.R. Bremer* Golden State
C Primoz Brezec Indiana
G Maurice Carter* New Orleans
C Predrag Drobnjak L.A. Clippers
F Desmond Ferguson* Portland
F Marcus Fizer* Chicago
G Richie Frahm* Seattle
F Brandon Hunter Boston
F Jason Kapono Cleveland
F-C Zaza Pachulia Orlando
F Aleksandar Pavlovic Utah
F Jamal Sampson L.A. Lakers
G Tamar Slay* New Jersey
F Theron Smith Memphis
G Jeff Trepagnier* Denver
F Gerald Wallace Sacramento
C Jahidi White Phoenix
C Loren Woods* Miami

*Restricted free agent becomes
unrestricted upon selection

This team is gonna be very bad.
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post #7 of 81
6/22/04 at 10:11pm
Just imagine your starting line-up this year:

Tamar Slay
Maurice Carter
Gerald Wallace
Dwight Howard
Predrag Drobnjak


Wow that could make the Top 25 list on ESPN worst teams of the last 25 years.
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post #8 of 81
6/22/04 at 10:16pm
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Luckily for Charlotte some players will play just for money Unfortunatly you really don't want those players on your team.
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post #9 of 81
6/22/04 at 10:17pm
It does look like they are going to be bad, but it seems they are going the "stockpile 1st round draft picks" route. It sucks, but it may pay off in 3 to 4 years.
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post #10 of 81
6/22/04 at 10:20pm
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
It does look like they are going to be bad, but it seems they are going the "stockpile 1st round draft picks" route. It sucks, but it may pay off in 3 to 4 years.
Hasn't worked to well for the Chicago Bulls like I hoped. Don't draft High School players. While you can point to a Garnett, Kobe, and Lebron those are few and far between.

If only Tyson Chandler could stay healthy. Anyone want Eddie Curry?
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post #11 of 81
6/22/04 at 10:27pm
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Hasn't worked to well for the Chicago Bulls like I hoped. Don't draft High School players. While you can point to a Garnett, Kobe, and Lebron those are few and far between.
I was thinking Chicago did the same thing, but its not a bad way to start an expansion franchise. Get as many top flight draft picks as soon as possible. Its cheap and by the end of the second year they could pick up a free agent and compete.
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post #12 of 81
6/22/04 at 11:07pm
Mark my words, by the end of 2005, Zaza Pachulia will be a household name.
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post #13 of 81
6/23/04 at 12:03am
See, I dunno... If the Bulls say kept an Elton Brand, a Ron Artest and a Brad Miller, would they have been all that bad in the East?
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post #14 of 81
6/23/04 at 12:33am
Let's be honest, are the Bulls that much worse then the Knicks? Is there that much of a division in the East that the Bulls could not beat the Knicks half the times they play them?

Even with the team the Bulls had, I doubt that with a few breaks one way or another they could be better then what they were.
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post #15 of 81
6/23/04 at 12:35am
What sort of arguement is that? They might be able to split with shit? I'm confused...

At least you didn't use the Celtics as your barometer.
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post #16 of 81
6/23/04 at 1:00am
My argument is that the lower tier of the East is not very good. They are pretty much interchangeable. The difference between 23 wins and 38 wins seems not to be that big of a deal. They are all terrible. It should not take much to push the Bulls from a 23 win team to a 35 win team and make the playoffs.

You said if they kept all those players, would they be that bad? I am saying they are no worse then some of the other terrible teams in the East (the Knicks, Celtics, Sixers, etc.). I exaggerated on purpose for effect. I could have used the Knicks or anyone.
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post #17 of 81
6/23/04 at 2:06am
This team looks pretty devastating.

Why is the NBA expanding again, as opposed to fostering a genuinely helpful minor league system?
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post #18 of 81
6/23/04 at 2:53am
the bobcats are only going to keep around 5 of those player's. their best bet is to hope that howard is there at #2 and that he can become a major stud in 3 year's time. he proclaims to be a bit of garnett and duncan rolled into one. i find that hard to believe but who knows. i've been hearing that the bulls are interested in deng. that's who i think they'll take if they stay there at 3. i'm hoping somehow that nelson can slip down to the heat or that they'll trade up a few places to snag him. that would be some backcourt for years to come.
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post #19 of 81
6/23/04 at 3:06am
Wow thats worse than I could have expected. Shit this franchise is gonna screw up the league. I feel sorry for charlotte already. What kind of name is Bobcats anyway?
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post #20 of 81
6/23/04 at 3:16am
The first name of the owner is "Bob". So, I guess its a possession thing.
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post #21 of 81
6/23/04 at 3:43am
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Originally posted by fabfunk
This team looks pretty devastating.

Why is the NBA expanding again, as opposed to fostering a genuinely helpful minor league system?
From what I can tell, the recently instituted NBDL has been genuinely helpful all around. Ask the handful of guys that made the leap to the real league.

As for why the league is expanding, I would hope you already know. It's because you're a jackass.
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post #22 of 81
6/23/04 at 9:09am
The NBDL is a joke compared to a true minor league system. Just purchase the ABA, they have most things already in place, give every team a minor league team. You'll be able to have more talent be brought up, less guys who never get a chance to go from prospect with potential to full-time player. A place for injured players to rehab without affecting the regular season in the NBA. A place for rookies who wouldn't otherwise get playing time to develop.

A minor league system would make the second round actually mean something.

The Bobcats are going to be terrible.
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post #23 of 81
6/23/04 at 11:38am
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DRAFT ORDER
1 Orlando Magic
2 Charlotte Bobcats From LAC
3 Chicago Bulls
4 Los Angeles Clippers From CHA
5 Washington Wizards
6 Atlanta Hawks
7 Phoenix Suns
8 Toronto Raptors
9 Philadelphia 76ers
10 Cleveland Cavaliers
11 Golden State Warriors
12 Seattle Sonics
13 Portland Trail Blazers
14 Utah Jazz
15 Boston Celtics
16 Utah Jazz From NYK via PHO
17 Atlanta Hawks From MIL via DEN, DET
18 New Orleans Hornets
19 Miami Heat
20 Denver Nuggets
21 Utah Jazz From HOU
22 New Jersey Nets
23 Portland Trail Blazers From MEM
24 Boston Celtics From DAL
25 Boston Celtics From DET
26 Sacramento Kings
27 Los Angeles Lakers
28 San Antonio Spurs
29 Indiana Pacers

Read a trade rumor that had the Bulls sending their #3 pick to Boston and Tyson Chandler for Paul Pierce. The Celtics #15 better be in that trade too. I'd hate losing Chandler but his back is never healthy.
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post #24 of 81
6/23/04 at 12:19pm
It has been so great being a Timberwolves fan the past 5 years. We don't have to give a shit about the draft. Thanks Joe Smith! On top of that, we don't have to give a ton of guaranteed contracts to lottery trash, so we can just sign an experienced roleplayer instead.

And the one draft pick we actually did get, Ndubi Ebi, was of course, straight out of high school! McHale got pissed over the system he helped create though, and is spending all his free time developing him.
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post #25 of 81
6/23/04 at 1:23pm
Trade Pierce? Can the Celtics trade Danny Ainge? Jesus christ, worst. gm. ever.
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post #26 of 81
6/23/04 at 2:22pm
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Originally posted by Archangel Ninja
The first name of the owner is "Bob". So, I guess its a possession thing.
The team name was voted on by the city of Charlotte. It was the Bobcats and two other names. It's assumed that Bobcats won out due to "Bob" being the owner (and he did have the final say). The other two choices were the Charlotte Flight and the Charlotte Dragons.

And gee, I didn't see too many players from the Hawks drafted by Charlotte...and they'll probably end up with a better team than the Hawks anyway.
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post #27 of 81
6/23/04 at 2:56pm
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Originally posted by Anyawatchin Angel
DRAFT ORDER
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16 Utah Jazz From NYK via PHO
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Seriously, does anybody think the Knicks are really going to be hurt by trading that pick? I remember people were all up in arms over it. I still don't think much of Zeke, but I don't think he's a blithering idiot either.
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post #28 of 81
6/23/04 at 7:51pm
Theron Smith? Awesome. I had an English class with him.
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post #29 of 81
6/23/04 at 8:33pm
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Originally posted by MoNkaholic
Seriously, does anybody think the Knicks are really going to be hurt by trading that pick? I remember people were all up in arms over it. I still don't think much of Zeke, but I don't think he's a blithering idiot either.
Do the Knicks really need to tie themselves up with ANOTHER contract?
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post #30 of 81
6/23/04 at 8:37pm
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ESPN said they talked to Ainge and that the Pierce deal is poo poo. So unless the bulls trade w/ them for multiple picks or get Al Harrington from the Pacers the Bulls should take Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, or Ben Gordon. But w/ gordan they'd have a small backcourt.
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post #31 of 81
6/23/04 at 11:15pm
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=1827142
Bulls and Phoenix trade

Bulls get pick #7
Suns get pick #31, cash, and a future 1st round pick.
they say the Bulls may want Luke Jackson of Oregon.

Mavs make room for Shaq
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1827125

Mavs get #5 pick, Christian Laettner and Jerry Stackhouse
Wizards-Antawn Jameson
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post #32 of 81
6/23/04 at 11:45pm
This has been the best basketball offseason I have ever experienced. So much has happened before the draft, and I assume a lot more will happen.

The Mav's deal is a good one, and it looks like they are going to get Shaq. I think the Mav's are trying to do whatever they can to keep Steve Nash from going in the trade with Dirk.
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post #33 of 81
6/24/04 at 12:20am
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Originally posted by fabfunk
Do the Knicks really need to tie themselves up with ANOTHER contract?
A worthwhile arguement if Knick ownership would actually consider rebuilding. Since that is out of the question, how does a team that's capped out indefinitely improve their team? Especially when they're not bad enough to warrant a high lottery pick?

The only alternative is to take on money, that's it, nothing else. With that being their only recourse, I feel they did well by getting Marbury for what they gave up...

Milos Vujanic-surprisingly enough-doesn't seem any closer to coming to the states, though it was expected that he'd be more interested in playing with the Suns.

Maciej Lampe, a bench warmer, but he's still absurdly young, so perhaps there's a future here.

And the #16 pick in a weak draft.

Really, what did the Knicks give up to get Stephon Marbury? I don't see any of this as even remotely equal value, as far as I'm concerned the Knicks managed to get an all-star calibur player for money.
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post #34 of 81
6/24/04 at 1:58am
Good thing Jordan isn't in Washington anymore. Thats a good move getting Jamison. Seriously though I would have loved to have seen him in the deal with the Lakers. He'd play well with Kobe I think.
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post #35 of 81
6/24/04 at 4:17am
Dallas' moves are sacaring me. I hope the lakers give shaq some time to calm down because Dallas is putting together a blockbuster deal here with the draft pick, steve nash, and josh howard. Cuban isnt that crazy though, he said Nowitzki is a no trade.
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post #36 of 81
6/24/04 at 5:37am
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Originally posted by Fazer
Cuban isnt that crazy though, he said Nowitzki is a no trade.
Cuban is crazy but is he that dumb? I wouldn't trade Dirk. All Cuban has to do is bide his time if Shaq is serious. Lakers are the ones with the problem superstar not the other way around. What i'm curious about is where they might shop Stackhouse. If they can perhaps package a trade with Stack, Walker, Nash or Finley for say a good big man perhaps an Antoine Davis and a good SF perhaps a Shawn Marion then its gonna get real interesting.

Also Lakers have met with Riley and no serious talks went on or so its said. Damn shame but seeing the drama in LA right now i'm really not that surprised a guy like Riles wouldn't want in. Rudy T seems as of now the only real candidate. I still can't believe Henry Bibby's name was ever mentioned. On top of that I really wonder if Shaq loathes Dr Buss as much as he does Kupchak if the problem is Kupchak I say fire him and hire Kareem as GM or something.
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post #37 of 81
6/24/04 at 6:27am
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Originally posted by Anyawatchin Angel
ESPN said they talked to Ainge and that the Pierce deal is poo poo. So unless the bulls trade w/ them for multiple picks or get Al Harrington from the Pacers the Bulls should take Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, or Ben Gordon. But w/ gordan they'd have a small backcourt.
i really can't see em taking gordan. they've drafted way too many points the past couple of years.
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post #38 of 81
6/24/04 at 11:00am
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Bulls drafted Fizer when they had Brand, both PF's. I don't want Gordan either. He might end up being really good but the Bulls don't need another PG.
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post #39 of 81
6/24/04 at 3:53pm
yeah they really need a sf. that's why deng would be good for them at #3 but he may take a little while to make an impact.
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post #40 of 81
6/24/04 at 4:33pm
I do not know about Deng taking a while. He is really athletic and if he can develop the mid to long range shot a bit better, he will be quite a player. He is big, fast, and can run the court with the best of 'em. Deng would be a good fit, and probably start to figure it out by mid season, in my opinion.
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post #41 of 81
6/24/04 at 6:39pm
young players usually don't develop a jumper in half a season. he's a very raw player. plus duke player's suck ass.
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post #42 of 81
6/24/04 at 8:03pm
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Deng has said he won't ride a motorcycle so he's o.k. by me. I wish Dayne Wade was coming out this year.
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post #43 of 81
6/24/04 at 8:39pm
That was a surprise...
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post #44 of 81
6/24/04 at 8:40pm
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SHOCKER!
Dwight Howard goes #1 and not Okafor. This draft might not have many studs but it might be the craziests.

Wonder if the back is bad. This kid may take a while to be good if at all-see Curry, Chandler, Kwame Brown...
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post #45 of 81
6/24/04 at 8:49pm
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Okafor at #2

Now the Bulls take G Ben Gordan of UConn-Wow. with Heinrich this is odd but they say he's really good. Time will tell.

All Bulls trades are off according to the tv here in chicago. No Al Harrington from Indy.
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post #46 of 81
6/24/04 at 8:51pm
i don't understand what paxton is thinking unless he plans on trading crawford. i mean gordan is awesome but what's he now their 4th point guard if you count williams.
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post #47 of 81
6/24/04 at 8:53pm
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Williams? the duke guy. he's gone and so is Crawford(restricted free agent. Paxon and Skiles hate Crawford and while he showed signs he was very inconsistant.

Williams probably won't play another game in the NBA.
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post #48 of 81
6/24/04 at 8:56pm
Ya post motorcycle accident jason williams is probably not going to be a force in the NBA.

As for riley, he met for 4 hours!!! with buss and kupchak...i imagine they talked about a little more than just "philosophy".
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post #49 of 81
6/24/04 at 9:09pm
i really think williams will be back eventually. riley isn't going to the lakers. he said they met but it never went anywhere and he's looking for an extention with the heat. fuck man all the points went so quick. so chace the heat will get nelson now at 19 although i say they're gonna grab a big man.
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post #50 of 81
6/24/04 at 9:12pm
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Dang the Bulls get Loul Deng

So a PG, SG, and SF. If Chandler or Curry ever show up they might win 30 this year.
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