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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
Are the worst films in the world the ones that are inept, or the ones that foster inane and wrong ideologies and support morally bankrupt characters who were supposed to applaud in their actions? Which is, for me why films like Pretty Woman, Forrest Gump and this are inherently evil and awful. They're ideologically evil.
The idea of excusing a film with no sense of morality becuase it's fun is ludicrous, though I'd be lying if I didn't expect that response. When I saw Catwoman a woman said you should turn your brain off watching films like it. I don't turn my brain off, ever. I recommend most people do the same. That's not to say I can't enjoy a film that isn't Bergman, I just don't enjoy being offended by awfulness for the sake of itself.
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Well, I can't say I'm against someone having a very sensitive moral compass. Goodness knows some people need MORE morals rather than less. But at the same time, I think you've targeted the wrong films for ALL the wrong reasons. And calling them the worst of all time.....that's just being overzealous....
You're taking all three of those films wayyyyy too seriously for your own good, ESPECIALLY ferris Bueller's Day Off....I'd understand if Ferris Bueller WAS about an Enron exec who got away with so much shit and the movie is filmed as a celebration of that kind of behavior in a realistic way. A film where, we follow the steps taken by greedy corporate execs to put the screws to hard-working lower-middle class American people, where the plan is made, enacted, and the execs just keep getting fatter, giving the thumbs up to all who wanna be like them, and the one-finger salute to all under their boot would be horrendous. Insulting. Reprehensible.
Ferris Bueller's Day Off, however, is NOT that movie.
It's about HIGH SCHOOL, for fuck's sake. And believe me, depending on what side of the tracks you were on in that stage of your life, you'd be far more able to realize the intent behind Ferris Bueller, and really, all of John Hughes' High School based filmed, was far more important.
As we all should know by now, high school was, indeed, full of shit. Matter of fact, most people spend most of their years up until they turn 40 finding out that most of what you learn during those years is wrong. The main character trait that most of Hughes' characters have is that they've caught on to that fact, and either choose to put up with it, give up trying to change it, or rebel whole-heartedly against it. But, for most of us in the real world, it's a required journey we all must take.
So, why shouldn't we have high school fantasy films where one student can fuck with the system, and be immune to its consequences? Is that REALLY so immoral for someone to WANT to see??
And let's think about the other sides of this character that we DO see......he's obviously intelligent, far more advanced than his peers....he's faithful to his friends, and would do anything to give them the things they need to enjoy life.....he's equally faithful to his girlfriend, who he actually has all intention of MARRYING.....something you just don't see in teen comedies nowadays (except, of course, American Wedding).....and he genuinely DOES love his family. His sister may not love him so much back at first, but the whole point of her character is that why should she spend so much time being pissy about him getting away with so much when she could be trying to forge her own path and enjoy herself?
This is not a morally reprehensible character. This is someone who's figured out the truth, and has decided, if necessary, to say "fuck you" to it in order to do what you should be doing in the first place, which is enjoying life. THAT'S the lesson. That life is, and always will be, more important in the long run.
And still, that's reading more into it than one should.
I can't speak for Pretty Woman (I haven't seen that in years, mostly due to my intense seething hatred of Julia Roberts movies), but even Forrest Gump....it's a film where a moron falls ass-backward into luck and fame and fortune. Unrealistic? Obviously. Well made? Debatable, but, I liked it. But morally bankrupt? The guy gets where he is by being honest, kind to all people who haven't hurt him (or Jenny) first, and never judging anyone from face value. Sure, that same formula applies to Radio and I Am Sam and many of the other "mentally challenged guy shows the normals the meaning of life" flicks out there, but at least Forrest Gump had the good taste to bless their character with at least the basics of mental power. He's dumb, but not a complete blank. And their don't let it succumb to all too many of the cliches those other two films I mentioned did. There's no big "triumph over adversity" moment.....he's a consistent floater through life...again, unrealistic, but a: when I want 100% realism, I go out and LIVE, and b: the story was enjoyable, which is the absolute basic thing I look for when i go to the movies.
But screw that....let's take a look at some "better" flicks....
A Clockwork Orange--A film that, by the end of it, we are made to cheer as society fails to rehabilitate a reprehensible, vicious, sociopathic bastard of a man.
Fight Club--A film that supports the self-destruction of self, and then later, the world as we know it, for the pursuit of one man's ultimately selfish motives.
Pulp Fiction--Our heroes in this film are ALL murderers, or accomplices in murder. Only two of which are truly punished for their actions.
The Usual Suspects--Our heroes are all criminals and murderers, and by the end, proves that with enough ingenuity, anyone can get away with it.
Now, if we wanna talk about morally reprehensible stories, there's some for you. Does that put them in the same category of From Justin To Kelly, You Got Served, and Manos The Hands of Fate? Shit no.
Long story short (too late), morality is a subjective thing, and bashing a film that isn't AIMING to teach anything morally, and never tries to as the worst films of all time is insulting to real crap.
In short terms, be careful, your stick is showing, if you catch my drift.