Well Alien vs. Predator just lost my money

Official website still lists it as yet to be rated.

Well, technically, since Alien came out in like '79, the franchise is older than ALL the kids going to see it

What's the big deal with ratings anyway? If you think the movie will be good, go see it; if not, stay home. Simple as that. I think sometimes Hollywood just uses the ratings system to cause a stir among the ones that are so concerned with them.

The film that started it all wasn't PG-13 and it didn't shy away from the blood or gore. Who knows maybe it'll do wonders for Anderson having this rating though.

The fact that every ALIEN and PREDATOR movie was R-rated yet ALIEN VS. PREDATOR will be PG-13 sounds to me like the studio didn't have faith in an R-rated ALIEN VS. PREDATOR movie making its money back. Sorta like ROBOCOP 3 being PG-13 and we all know how well that one turned out.

Anderson does gore and violence well? Really? Because none of his films that I've seen have been violent or gory. The closest he got was with EVENT HORIZON but SOLDIER and MORTAL COMBAT and SHOPPING were not exactly heavy on the blood and guts. RESIDENT EVIL was a PG-13 type film that somehow ended up with a very misleading R rating.

But that aside I can see how a PG-13 for AvsP pisses people off. But you have to realize that this film was all about milking the cash cow right from the beginning. So of course they are now making sure the teenies can go see it. Because they'll make up a sizeable chunk of the target audience.

Maybe, as with so many films recently, there'll be a R rated version available by the time it hits DVD.

PG-13!!! How pathetic is that??

Thanks for the info, I'll go spend my money on another movie.

Ain't that the truth. I also can see how the PG-13 can piss people off. But I gotta say, I'm on the low end of the hope meter on this one. Pg-13? R? I think either way it's gonna blow. I may be proved wrong, but that what I'm thinking.

Fanboy wet dreams.

Vampires vs. Werewolves, Van Helsing vs. Everybody, and now Aliens vs. Predator.
You know all of this stuff is fun to chat about amongst friends, it's all cool in a jokey way, but have people not realized that in execution these "geek fantasies" are really bad ideas?

You're w/ friends saying, "man they ought to do a vampires vs. werewolves movie", but do you really want to see that?

I find it odd that people are even excited about AVP, medicore director (although to be fair, he has his fans) relatively medicore budget, and in a time when studios are worse penny pinching bastards than ever, people dare to be surprised that it will be PG-13.
The individual franchises of both monsters were a grouping of great, to fairly solid, to atrocious (A:Res) genre pics, and to choose one of the blandest genre directors around to bring them together was a big mistake in my pre-formed opinion.

I'm not saying that the above mentioned films couldn't have been cool, but it was just unlikely that they would be to begin with.

If I were to never see an old genre standard again, I wouldn't be hurting all too badly, because I really want something new.

PG-13 is the holy grail of the hollywood execs. This ensures they will make their money back and will get a return for investors. The lower the rating, obviously the more people there are to fill the seats.

With a PG-13, I'm afraid AVP will be a snore fest. I don't understand how this can be pulled off... ALIEN and PREDATOR!? Both in the same movie, but it's PG-13!? It boggles the mind. How about a G rated Jason or Freddy movie??

I Hate Hollywood.

It doesn’t really matter to me what the rating is because I wasn't expecting a lot of bloody carnage. Anderson is a liar, though. He was in Fangoria saying that he wasn’t shooting a PG movie. He said it would have 'hanging dead bodies, chestbursters and decapitations'.Gillis, The FX guy, said that he had seen the footage and no way was this going to be a PG movie. I’m sure that an uncut DVD will come out so they can make some more cash. The footage in the trailers looks great, Lance Henriksen is in it and it’s going to have two of my favorite monsters battling it out. At this point, I'm still optimistic that it's going to be entertaining.

Thats anderson's problem since Soldier, he spins this awesome web of shit everyone wants to hear and then when his movies come out there as stale as my great grandmas twat! He has done it with every movie since Event Horizion.

PG-13 or R I am still there with some HOPE that he will at least deliver some good Monster Vs. Monster action. I dont care about such trivial things as plot and acting when it comes to A vs. P I only hope for one or 2wo GOOD battles between the 2wo heavies.

Both franchises already went to shit. Alien went bad after ALiens and Predator 2 was godawful so why would you have thought this was going to do anything to revive them. I'll still go see it no matter the rating but it's just fluff which ever way you look at it.

Does this mean there will be a cute baby predator with a really lame name like "Preddy" or something who will follow the human crew around and get into all kinds of silly predicaments? Because I really hope so! <sarcasm>

I didn't expect this film to be an award winner, but I at least expected to see some righteous, bloody action between the two beasts. Instead, like all horror movies these days, we're getting a horror movie afraid to scare people. Fuckin' great.

I Won't be seeing this either, I'm sick and tired of all this cutting movies down to PG-13 SHIT!

Well, that is some shitty news. I agree that since every other film in both franchises was R, this should have been as well. Maybe it is not official, but it likely is. Though I am letdown, I will still see this film because...I have to. I have been awaiting this movie for a decade and even if Paul Anderson is at th helm and it is Pg-13 I was suckered by that last trailer. Thought that was pretty damn cool. It may suck, but I love the two franchises too much to not give it a shot.

PG-13? What a load of shit! I've been waiting for a new "Predator" movie forever and I'm gonna get stuck with this garbage. There is no way to make a film like this PG-13 without watering it down. No skinned human corpses or chest-bursting aliens? Why don't they just make a "Friday the 13th" movie with a PG-13 while there at it. As previously explained, every entry in both franchises has been an "R" so it's a safe bet that the film's fanbase will not have a problem with it. Only way I'm gonna see this is if I end up picking up the Predator special edition with the free ticket.

Are you sure it's pg-13, because the site has it as still being unrated. That said if it is pg-13 that's fucking bullshit. i will still see the movie because it is part of two of my favorite franchises, but I'm not gunna have much hope for it. I really don't see how they could make a none R movie and still have it be true to the earlier films. These movies deal with violent stuff, and removing that to make more money is fucking over the fans.

I wasn't going to see it anyway. So it being PG-13 doesn't really matter to me.

I'm not sure if it's really rated PG-13 but I can only hope not. I have real low expectations for this one as it is. "Freddy Vs. Jason" was a huge letdown but at least it was a good popcorn movie because it had some cool death scenes. I just can't see this one being worthwhile. I am a huge fan of the "Predator" and "Alien" films with the exception of "Resurrection" and somehow I don't think Paul Anderson can do these franchises justice. I have been waiting for another "Predator" film forever and I've heard Anderson say he wasn't a fan of the second one so this tells me that he may be taken it in a totally different direction.

That can only be a good thing and tells me he at least has decent taste in movies cause P2 blew f'n chunks.

PREDATOR 2 was pretty bad. It is to the Predator franchise what RESURRECTION is to the Alien franchise, I guess. I haven't seen it since I was 12, though, so maybe I'd like it better nowadays (aka 11 years later). Eh, probably not.

No fucking way. I can see how people might not like it but don't even try and compare it to "Resurrection".

Seconded.

Just saw an ad on TV and it said the film is not yet rated, so there you go.

I saw the same ad. Here's hoping this "PG-13" crap is all just a rumor.

I liked A:R, and love A3.

Anyway all hope is not lost. One director, on a commentary, and I can't for the life of me remember who or what film, said you can slip ANY amount of violence past the censors as long as the blood isn't red. So there may be a shitload of alien on alien violence (and by alien on alien, i mean alien on predator).

But that does pretty much suck that Anderson lied. I think the guy does decent popcorn movies, and I still think this is going to be entertaining. But it really sucks balls when any director lies his ass off to the core fanbase. That's not cool. But then again, before he somehow become fairly likeable on the net, right around the time avp started filming, he was it's whipping boy really badly, so I would want to protect myself from back lash till the las tminute possible too.

The best example is with THE LORD OF THE RINGS. Those movies are really fucking violent, but because the Uruk-hai have black blood, they get away with PG-13. I mean, at the end of THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, Aragorn de-limbs and then beheads Lurtz. I guess it's kinda like Ben Kenobi slicing off Ponda Baba's arm in A NEW HOPE, but it's kinda crazy.

According to Dark Horizons though, AVP is officially PG-13.

As for PREDATOR 2 being rated alongside ALIEN RESURRECTION... that's crazy talk. Even the dullest parts of P2 are infinitely better than the complete shitfest that was RESURRECTION. And the ending was awesome.

I am a huge fan of both franchises and have been waiting for this film fo a good while. The trailer was awesome, but this PG-13 talk is really killing my expectations. A real shame if its truly the rating.

As for Predator 2, its severely underrated in my book, and I say its very much superior to the original, and I adore the original. Not a bad film by any means, and I'd love to see it get the SE treatment the first is receiving. I also love Alien3, another thoroughly underrated gem.

I loved Predator 2 and will no doubt go to see AvP. The fact that it will be PG-13 (most likely a 15 over here) does suck but Signs was a 12A and still freaked me out.

Bring on the Signs and Predator 2 rants. I'll take y'all on...

I started a thread on the main board (giving credit to PuppetMasterFan of course) and others are confirming the rating as well. Why the hell did Anderson develop all those new weapons for the Predators, to stand around and hold? Sharp weapons and acid blood won't fair to well in a PG-13 I fear.

I can't believe that I'm defending Anderson, but no one actually knows if this was his idea or not.
Like Fuqua on King Arthur, the studio could've stepped in and said no fucking way, we want the kiddies to see this.
In the minds of delusional studio execs that continue to talk down to audiences, AVP has the potentional to be a huge cash cow. So they brought in this guy who can make a small budget look significant, and probably took the finished product to the chop shop to increase the bottom line.

I'm not suggesting that Anderson has any integrity, but this scenario is more than plausible, it's probable.

I agree with everything except it being better than the original. "Predator 2" might be more exciting and fast-paced but the original is just a far better made film. I love them both though and Alien 3 was great too.

Good point. Eh, I'll still go see it, since I've been waiting ages to see this committed to film.

Studios second guess themselves all the time, usually because they didn't think anything through the first time to begin with; Exorcist Prequel anyone?
Most studios are run by lawyers and yuppie fuckwits, not artists; they don't need to pay attention to anything, just rake in the cash.

Agreed.


Yep i'll take Predator 2 every day and 3 times on sunday over Resurrection.

I actully like all 4 Alien Movies and both Pred movies but yeah Alien 4 and Pred 2 are the weakest but Pred 2 is better then Alien 4.

If the PG-13 news is true, chalk another dash up in the 'well, so much for the last dwindling thread of hope' column.

I'm sorry, there is just no way to properly exhibit the primary attractors of both aliens and predators without showing massive amounts of gore. Apparently, Andersen forgot this.

Let's revisit the list, shall we?

Alien: has acid for blood. Has lots of sharp teeth and even sub-mouths with more teeth. Uses them to kill/eat when it isn't hunting for egg hatchers. Oh, yes, the egg hatchers. Cocoons living hosts into the walls of it's nest, allowing the facehuggers to latch onto their head, shove their egg depositor down their throat, and shove an alien larve into their abdomen. Once the larvae comes to term, it eats it's way out of the host and bursts out through it's chest.

Predator: A hunter species, they are known for several nasty weapons. Dual wrist blades, lengthy, jagged. Shoulder cannon, laser sighted, makes large smoking holes in living things. Various other nifty little gadgets designed solely for the purpose of killing and dismembering their prey. They rip the spinal column and skull out of their kills, using a special chemical bath to strip the flesh off the bones.

Okay, what, of that, could even possibly be shown in a PG-13 film? ONLY Predator Vs. Alien violence. (The MPAA has always been kinder to imaginary critters doing harm to other imaginary critters.) Can an AVP film be any good with only critter violence?

Hell no.

And yes, I DO set this blame firmly on the shoulders of Andersen. Could Freddy Vs. Jason be released as a PG-13? No. Why? Because it WASN'T FUCKING SHOT AS ONE. All this talk of the studio stepping in is nonsense. If he shot a solid R, that's what we'd have. If you can remove enough things to bring it down to a PG-13 and still have a coherent movie, then it wasn't shot as a 'solid R'. That's why they CALL it a 'solid R'.

Has ANYONE read the original AVP graphic novel series? That had a perfect balance of conflict between all three parties. That's why it got such a good buzz, it was a kick ass story that took a set of humans and placed them at odds with both the Aliens and the Predators, even though in the end the humans and Predators do side together a bit against the overwhelming Alien threat.

Anyway, enough ranting. Suffice it to say if it's PG-13, they just lost $20 or so from this household.

Sci-Fi violence isn't rated as harshly as human on human violence, and most of the violence in this flick, apparently, is two alien species going at each other.

You can show hanging bodies in silhouette (which is probably what he's going to do) and get away with it. I'm guessing green blood and acid blood and Predator/Alien entrails is the kind of "safe" violence that'd net you a PG-13. The Lurtz example from LOTR is a perfect one, as well. The number of humans getting hacked up violently is probably small. But in a movie called "Alien vs Predator" is numerous grisly human deaths really the point?

Still, maybe now we all realize why Anderson gets to keep making movies. He's apparently one hell of a pitchman. He can talk a movie up like nobody's business. He's fooled a lot of people so far, hasn't he?

The people who keep giving him money to make pictures sure.

The fans? - well, he's hardly beloved is he.

I weep for this basically.

PG-13 AvP makes baby Jesus cry

Er, well, where do the adult Aliens come from then? Penguins?

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Aieee!! Alien4!! RUN!

It's true!

I just want to know how exactly does "slime" affect a film's rating. Can you use too much slime and get an R instead of a PG-13?

Just imagine for a sec if someone, somewhere had had the testicular fortitude to simply adapt the Dark Horse graphic novels to the screen.





Such a ridiculously wasted oppurtunity, when I would have thought these stories would have been their first port of call.

Hey everyone- let's not jump to conclusions here and condem the film TOO fast eh?

I agree completely, BUT (and I acknowledge Anderson lied and it's hard to defend him right now) as I and Charles pointed out, some fantasy/sci fi films have gotten away with murder (literally) because the ones on the recieving end of the violence weren't human. I haven't seen LOTR but if it's anything like Charles said, it sounds pretty grisly for any rating, total decapitation and all. And the AVP comic series, original, wasn't THAT violent. It wasn't dripping with gore in the first place.

I reckon, with all honesty, the original Alien, and maybe even Aliens, could pass as PG-13 these days, because they aren't that violent. You don't actually see much actual violence on screen (think Lambert, Dallas and Parker). I know that on it's re-release, Alien here was brought down from an 18 certificate (your version of R) to a 15 (just a step above PG13, your equivilant).