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ST. PETERSBURG -

The house lights went down, the previews were shown and the opening credits to Catwoman began to play across the screen Saturday night at the Muvico theater at BayWalk.

That's when Warronnica Harris' cell phone rang.

"It was my mom calling me," Harris said. "It was a family emergency."

Harris said she lowered her voice so much that her mother couldn't hear her. A minute later, she said, a flashlight shone in her eyes.

What happened next is disputed. It involves pepper spray, the arrest of two people with no previous criminal record and cell phone use in a theater.

Police say Harris refused to end her cell phone conversation, started yelling at the St. Petersburg police officer who confronted her and refused to leave the theater. Authorities also say Harris' boyfriend, who was seated next to her, also refused to leave and threatened the officer.

Both were charged with disorderly conduct.

Harris, 23, and her boyfriend, Terrell "KC" Tolson, 25, tell a different story.

They say they didn't argue with Officer John Douglas, and that as they were leaving the theater, Douglas used pepper spray on them for no apparent reason, put them in handcuffs and arrested them.

The incident began when Douglas approached Harris in the darkened theater.

"He (Douglas) said, "All right, you want to talk on your cell phone, let's go right now.' " Harris said. "I said, "Okay, but we're going to get our money back.'

"We got up and left on our own. As we were heading down the hallway, he (Douglas) pushed me in the back a couple of times."

In the hallway that connects the theaters to the lobby, Harris and Tolson said Douglas used pepper spray, first on Tolson and seconds later on Harris.

"I asked him why he sprayed my boyfriend, and he sprayed me," Harris said. "He (Douglas) didn't say anything. We didn't even see him take the pepper spray out."

Harris dropped the soda cup she was carrying and fell to her knees.

A Gibbs High graduate, Harris said she is enrolled at St. Petersburg College and plans to enter nursing school. She said she also works full-time as a press operator.

"I talked to my mom for maybe a minute," she said. "And nobody around me complained or said anything. My mom could barely hear me. When I saw the officer coming up the stairs, I hung up on her."

Tolson said that as the couple was leaving, he asked why Douglas was removing them.

"The next thing I know," Tolson said, "he pepper-sprayed me. I didn't raise my hand and wasn't rude. Warronnica asked him why he did that, and he pepper-sprayed her."

Tolson said he plays football for Webber International University in Babson Park and is a junior majoring in sports management.

"I always carry my student ID with me," he said, "just in case something like this happens. ... I called my coach and told him what happened."

Garlynn Boyd, 38, was seated in the row in front of Harris and Tolson. The founder and CEO of the Lightning Bolt Youth Sports Academy in St. Petersburg, she had known Tolson as a youngster.

But she had gone to the theater alone and had run into him by accident.

Boyd said that periodically, as the credits rolled, Douglas stood off to the side and shined his flashlight into the packed audience.

"He'd walk up and say something, I couldn't hear what, and then he'd walk back to the wall," Boyd said. "He did it about six or seven times.

"Then he flashed his light toward me. I thought, "Why?' "

Boyd said she didn't hear a cell phone ring.

"He (Douglas) said to (Harris), "You're going to have to get out.' The woman asked why she was being asked to leave. He (Douglas) said, "Just get up.' Then KC said, "Why is she being asked to leave?' He (Douglas) said, "You're getting out, too.'

"When I went into the lobby, the young lady was on the ground screaming and hollering. KC was already handcuffed. I asked KC what was going on. He said he couldn't see, and asked me to wipe his eyes with his shirt.

"The cop (Douglas) was trying to put cuffs on the young lady. He was wrestling with her. Another officer was holding KC. I told the officers I had been in the theater and that they did absolutely nothing.

"If they were being rude or disrupting, I would've turned around and said something. But they weren't. KC is a great kid."

Marcia Gray, an accountant who lives in Tampa, had come to the theater with two of her sons to see The Bourne Supremacy. She had never been to BayWalk before. She was in the hallway, outside the restroom area when, she said, she saw Harris and Tolson approach, with Douglas behind them.

"The man turned and asked the officer why he was making them leave," Gray said, "and the cop just maced him in the face. They weren't yelling or touching him. The man bent over and the girl asked why he maced her boyfriend. Then the cop maced her, and she dropped her soda."

Gray, 49, was so close to the three that she said she also was affected by residual spray.

"I followed them outside, past the free speech protesters," she said. "The girl was crying, and the man was trying to wipe his face.

"I found another officer and gave him my statement, because these kids did nothing wrong. I have no emotional ties to the kids. I was just there."

Representatives from the St. Petersburg Police Department did not return repeated phone calls Monday.

But cell phone use during movies, concerts and other public events is an increasing problem. So much so that last year, New York City banned the used of mobile phones in any indoor theater, library, museum, gallery or concert hall.

"In my experience working with managers, that has become the main problem they have to deal with," said Jim Lee, director of marketing for Muvico, which has 12 locations, mostly in Florida. "We really try to educate the public by using slides, signs and announcements reminding guests not to use their cell phones."

In the event someone does, Lee said the normal procedure is to ask the person to turn off their phone. If they don't, they are asked to leave.

Lee declined to comment on the specifics of the BayWalk case.

"Ninety-five percent of people forget they have their phones on," Lee said. "When it rings, they rush to turn it off.

"It's a very small group of people who purposefully leave them on and then talk on them."

It is unclear whether race was a factor in the arrests. Harris and Tolson are black, Douglas is white.

"This could have happened to any kid, blue, black or green," said Boyd, who is black. "He (Douglas) was completely out of line."



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post #2 of 52
[bad joke]

Well, there's two people who can officialy say that going to see Catwoman made their eyes burn...

[/bad joke]
post #3 of 52
Wow, this makes me sick.

I think we can all agree that talking on a cell-phone during a movie is rude, annoying, and should not be tolerated. But I don't think that these two deserved to get maced, for Christ's sake. When I'm in the theater and somebody's cell phone goes off (or my personal pet peeve, somebody brought their 2 year old to Bourne Supremacy) it's fun to joke about the horrible price justice demands they pay for their rudeness. However, it's just a joke. It seems that these two were asked to leave, and they left peacefully. What was the justification for macing them?
post #4 of 52
good joke but fuck these people. No need to talk on a cell in a theater. I bet people will think twice about using their cell phones in Florida. Nightsticks are next.
post #5 of 52
Thread of the day, perhaps year.
post #6 of 52
Fuckin pigs.

Whats the colour of a two cent piece....
post #7 of 52
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Originally Posted by Chowyunfrag
"I followed them outside, past the free speech protesters," she said. "
Wait, what's THIS about???
post #8 of 52
Hey, maybe people'll start killing each other over cellphones! That'd be neato!
post #9 of 52
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Originally Posted by NiveK
Once the Lights go down, turn off the fucking phones. I'd like to say I think the cop may have gotten out of line, but I agree shit like this makes people listen. Turn off your god damn phones, if your that needed people call you when your in a theatre, maybe you dont need to be watching the movie.

Once again, fuck 'em! I would've used the Taser on them if they were half as obnoxious as the people i've seen who never turn off their phones.
Fuck, he should have just taken them out the back ot the theatre and shot them really eh?

Why not just cut through the fucking middle man?
post #10 of 52
I'll go out on a limb and presume the victims were black, right?
post #11 of 52
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Originally Posted by Angel Red Wings
I'll go out on a limb and presume the victims were black, right?


...and the cop was white what a fuckin surprise.
post #12 of 52
Seems like a racist cop and if the guy is a football player the cop was probably intimidated. Sounds like he needs to be kicked off the force. That said, This woman should have had the cell phone off. It's intolerable to me. And if she thought she deserved to get her money back for a cell phone call she needs educating.

Still, if it's true what the one person said about the cop flashing his light into the rows alot I bet he was just looking for a fight. I hate when cops are instigators, baiting people, trying to get them to say or do something wrong so that they can get tough. I've met cops like this who are on a power trip and it's really fucking scary. I've also met good cops. They understand that their job is to keep the peace, and they are generally humble and responsible about doing so.
post #13 of 52
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Originally Posted by Chris Hill
Seems like a racist cop and if the guy is a football player the cop was probably intimidated. Sounds like he needs to be kicked off the force. That said, This woman should have had the cell phone off. It's intolerable to me. And if she thought she deserved to get her money back for a cell phone call she needs educating.

Still, if it's true what the one person said about the cop flashing his light into the rows alot I bet he was just looking for a fight. I hate when cops are instigators, baiting people, trying to get them to say or do something wrong so that they can get tough. I've met cops like this who are on a power trip and it's really fucking scary. I've also met good cops. They understand that their job is to keep the peace, and they are generally humble and responsible about doing so.
Personally, Ive met a helluva lot more of the former than the latter.
post #14 of 52
Black, white, not guilty, guilty. I think we're forgetting the important thing-

These people paid to see Catwoman.
post #15 of 52
Okay, I'm not saying that the cop didn't overreact, (I think he did), but it doesn't take "a minute" to tell someone on the cell phone, "I'll call you right back", and then get your ass out of the theater and place your cell phone call.


And if it was a "family emergency", meaning something for which you might leave the theater anyway, why was the guy insisting that they get their money back?


Bad behavior by everyone, I'd say.
post #16 of 52
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Originally Posted by Daryl Zero
Black, white, not guilty, guilty. I think we're forgetting the important thing-

These people paid to see Catwoman.
Yeah, lets face it - that cop should have maced the entire audience
post #17 of 52
When I saw Spartan, there was a guy who talked on his phone for almost 20 minutes. That guy deserved to get his ass beat.

This, though, doesn't sound right. I think there's more to this than is being told.
post #18 of 52
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Originally Posted by Kueller
When I saw Spartan, there was a guy who talked on his phone for almost 20 minutes. That guy deserved to get his ass beat.

This, though, doesn't sound right. I think there's more to this than is being told.
Like what?

There are independant witnesses verifying the arestees story and the PD won;t answer any calls or questions about it.

Seems pretty straight-forward to me
post #19 of 52
Judging by the facts as they are represented here, I'd say the officer was looking for trouble. He certainly overreacted with the pepper spray. Granted, the woman should have left the theater to take the call in the first place, and I have no problem with the officer telling her to leave the theater if she wouldn't turn off her phone, but after that the officer threw procedure out the window. There should have been no contact (i.e., the pushing) unless there was resistance. There certainly should have been no use of pepper spray unless there was a real sense that the couple were a danger to the officer or someone else in the area.

Some cops take on the role of enforcers, as opposed to protectors. These guys are awful. Other guys are really decent, and there ARE a lot of them out there. It's just you won't hear much about them. It's the troublemakers that get all the press, of course.

I do hope those who have stated that the treatment the couple received was appropriate rethink their position. I certainly don't want to live in a police state where a few overt displays of brute force are used to help keep people in line. Doesn't sound like a great situation to me.
post #20 of 52
The best part of this article.

The woman's name is Warronnica.

WTF?!
post #21 of 52
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog
Like what?

There are independant witnesses verifying the arestees story and the PD won;t answer any calls or questions about it.

Seems pretty straight-forward to me
Like why was a police officer patrolling a showing of Catwoman? Not a security guard, a cop. There is also a reference to some kind of demonstration going on outside. This probably has nothing to do with cell phones.
post #22 of 52
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Originally Posted by NiveK
You know, it sounds like some of you havn't seen how obnoxious, loud, and ignorent people can be in Theatres, and concider that they had a Cop in this place tell's you how bad the area probobly is. I've seen Usher's and Managers threatend, which is why some movie theatres have Cop's posted in there anymore. This place sounds no different. Personally, from what I've seen, if the theatre has a parking place reserved for cop's, I go to another place to watch my movie.
Whether you would go into the cinema or not is completely irrelevant to the question of whether the cops extreme actions were justified.
post #23 of 52
the Rashomon factor.....
from the Smoking Gun:

JULY 28--Meet Warronnica Harris and Terrell Tolson. The Florida couple got popped this week at a St. Petersburg theater after Harris, 23, allegedly refused to end a cell phone call as the opening credits for "Catwoman" rolled. When an off-duty police officer working at the theater tried to curtail her chat, Harris announced that "she could talk as much as she wanted on her phone," according to this police report. In short order, Tolson, 25, joined in, allegedly telling Officer John Douglas that he would kick the cop's ass. The report quotes Harris as saying she would "hit the cracker in his head." In a bid to subdue the duo (pictured below in mug shots snapped by the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office), Douglas blasted them with pepper spray. Harris and Tolson were eventually charged with disorderly conduct--and spared having to sit through another Halle Berry bomb. (3 pages)
post #24 of 52
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Originally Posted by VTRan
the Rashomon factor.....
from the Smoking Gun:

JULY 28--Meet Warronnica Harris and Terrell Tolson. The Florida couple got popped this week at a St. Petersburg theater after Harris, 23, allegedly refused to end a cell phone call as the opening credits for "Catwoman" rolled. When an off-duty police officer working at the theater tried to curtail her chat, Harris announced that "she could talk as much as she wanted on her phone," according to this police report. In short order, Tolson, 25, joined in, allegedly telling Officer John Douglas that he would kick the cop's ass. The report quotes Harris as saying she would "hit the cracker in his head." In a bid to subdue the duo (pictured below in mug shots snapped by the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office), Douglas blasted them with pepper spray. Harris and Tolson were eventually charged with disorderly conduct--and spared having to sit through another Halle Berry bomb. (3 pages)
Until I see an independant witness coroborating this side of things I know which story Im going with personally
post #25 of 52
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Originally Posted by moovyphreak
The best part of this article.

The woman's name is Warronnica.

WTF?!
That name sounds like a drunk Adam Sandler trying his damnedest to find yet another rhyme for the Hannukah Song.
post #26 of 52
Some of these comments smack of reverse racism and anti-authoityism. Someone was being rude, they were asked to leave and started spouting threatning and racist crap. They were dealt with end of story. Good for the police.
post #27 of 52
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Originally Posted by NiveK
Yeah, but it is funny that I know now which story sounds more realistic. Cop's dont get called into a theatre unless your being a huge pain in the ass, or your threatning the staff. Lets see "i was just sitting there, all polite, about to hang up the phone..." or "Fuck you Cracka', I'll talk as long as I want!!"
The cop didn't get called to theater. He WORKED there. You think their response time is that good?
post #28 of 52
Well considering the area (central Florida I think) I'm not surprised. Cops down there are real assholes. I'm not sure what happened or what story to believe. I wouldn't be surprised if either turned out to be true.
post #29 of 52
Yea nothing worse then a cell phone going off . I mean I had to sit threw that shitty Charle Sheen promo about no cell phones didnt they? that thing is pretty close to being sprayed in the face.

Seriously sounds like the cop and the couple where asshats and when asshats group in numbers larger then 1 there usually is trouble. Chances are they where both at fault the cop went over the line but they probably provoked it somewhat.
post #30 of 52
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Originally Posted by gl2899
Some of these comments smack of reverse racism and anti-authoityism. Someone was being rude, they were asked to leave and started spouting threatning and racist crap. They were dealt with end of story. Good for the police.
We have an off-duty policeman's report saying they were spouting off threats and racist remarks. That's not proof, trust me. I used to work for a security company that employed off-duty cops, and it was my job to transcribe police reports. Often the police reports and witness accounts would be at odds. Sometimes this was due to police officers wanting to fudge the situation to their advantage, and sometimes it was due to witnesses protecting a suspect. Heck, sometimes it was just because people have different perspectives.

In this case we have a report that claims one thing, and suspects and witnesses who contradict it. If the policeman is telling the truth then he probably acted properly to the situation. However, if the witness accounts are accurate (that there was no threat made and that the pepper spraying was unprovoked) then I don't think you'll find much support for the cop.

Personally I'd have to hear all sides of the story, preferably hearing some accounts from other witnesses at the theater, before I could make an informed decision over whether the cop's actions were inappropriate. Thankfully I don't have to make that decision at all.
post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by Daryl Zero
Wait, what's THIS about???
I'm glad someone else noticed this. I thought I was missing a part of the article or something.
post #32 of 52
Come on, don't tell me you people haven't had a black person (or as Chris Rock would say, a n*gga) talking out loud (cell phone or not) during a movie. You say something, you run the risk of getting your ass kicked by her football playing boyfriend or being cursed out.

Sounds to me like the "victims" had no idea the guy was a cop, since he was off-duty. So it makes more sense that they would throw racist remarks at the "white guy". But once they found out he was a cop, suddenly police brutality!!!
post #33 of 52
In your scenario, Spider, did the cop confiscate their bucket of fried chicken and orange soda?
post #34 of 52
Oh please. Don't start with the liberal crap.
post #35 of 52
Liberals eat fried chicken and orange soda?
post #36 of 52
a policeman would have to be high, drunk, or STUPID to MACE someone in a crowded theater who was not being beligerant or deserving.

I'm sorry I just don't buy it.
post #37 of 52
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Liberals eat fried chicken and orange soda?
Actually, what I meant to say was PC crap. But liberals and PC go hand in hand, so I guess it doesn't matter.
post #38 of 52
Your a rebel on the edge, Spider.
Fight the PC power, man. You make Sean Hannity proud.
post #39 of 52
I'm not sure about the Fried Chicken ... but I know we Canadians LOVE Orange Soda. Mmm-hmmm, I know I do.

Who cares if they were black ... using a cellphone in a theatre and then getting your eyes turned inside out by pepper spray seems about right to me.

& Spider ... quit while your behind, man.
post #40 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucidz
a policeman would have to be high, drunk, or STUPID to MACE someone in a crowded theater who was not being beligerant or deserving.

I'm sorry I just don't buy it.
Actually, from the above post it seems like the pepper spray incident happened in the hallway outside the theater itself. That might sound like a technicality, but it's easier to believe that the requirements of intoxication or stupidity you alluded to could be decreased when the cop is in a well-lit area relatively free of onlookers who might get an accident face full of pepper spray.

I'm on the fence with this one. The situation is vague enough that I can't side with either party.
post #41 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Freeze
I'm not sure about the Fried Chicken ... but I know we Canadians LOVE Orange Soda. Mmm-hmmm, I know I do.

Who cares if they were black ... using a cellphone in a theatre and then getting your eyes turned inside out by pepper spray seems about right to me.

& Spider ... quit while your behind, man.
Why? I wasn't the one who made the fried chicken and orange soda comment.
post #42 of 52
People talking on cell phones in theaters should be maced!
2nd offense they should be tasered!
3rd offense they should get the "Abner Louima" treatment!

Ok, seriously; the cop probably overreacted and I was laughing until someone pointed out the race angle. Now that seems like a serious overreaction, even from a southern redneck cop, and I know southern redneck cops because I live in Houston --- read the Chronicle's reports on how many unarmed people cops here shot in the last couple years!

But even lily white, suburban theaters have uniformed cops on duty now. There is nothing new about this one.
post #43 of 52
I always heard that it was grape soda.... maybe it's a regional thing.


Why do food and races get mixed in together, I mean, come on! Who doesn't like some good fried chicken! Who hasn't enjoyed a nice bowl of chicken soup? My family is from the south so I have eaten my share of Collard greens and corn bread. Has nothing to do with my race. Something Ive always found silly.


I still think these two probably got what was coming to them though. But the off duty officer should have been a little more careful with the mace considering how enclosed a theater is and the proximity of other patrons.
post #44 of 52
Thread Starter 
Everyone knows people who talk in theaters go to "The Special Hell"...
post #45 of 52
This is probably just another episode of When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong.
post #46 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by gl2899
But the off duty officer should have been a little more careful with the mace considering how enclosed a theater is and the proximity of other patrons.
Jesus, have you even bothered to read the article? He sprayed them in the hallway.
post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by NiveK
Well, its certianly sounding like something out of that Cheppelle Show skit, isn't it?

im just kinda bothered that even though these guys did something thats pretty much the most irritating thing you can do in a movie theatre (short of trying to watch a 2 1/2 hour action flick with a crying newborn), alot of the movie fan's here are taking the side of the obnoxious assholes. Am I alone, or hasn't anyone here had to deal with these kind of Jerk offs who go to the movies with a "fuck you, I'll do what i want" attitude in the theatre? If this happened with a movie you were trying to watch, you'd cheer the Cops on.

Also, I think people are making more out of the race thing than needed. The cop could just as easily been black as well, but I doubt it would've made the newswire with the "police brutality/rodney king" bullshit.
Ive had to deal with plenty of hardcore asshols, not just in cinemas but everyday life.

Doesn't mean I think they deserve a fuckin macing tho.

Get some perspective.
post #48 of 52
Well said, Rain Dog.
post #49 of 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by NiveK
So some cocky bitch and her boyfriend giving a cop shit is pretty low on the relating to list, but if you talk back to someone in uniform (which most of the cop's in theatres down here are) you get what you get. And also, if they have off duty cop's working in theatres here in FL, it's because they have had serious problems in the past. those guys will not mess around.
Well then, like I said earlier - why not just cut through the middle man, take 'em out back and shoot them? Zieg frikkin Heil.

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I also got two family members who are police Officers as well (with the last name Murphy, go figure Cops are in my family), so I have perspective on their P.O.V. about certain situations. Its a tough life, and some do start to look at life through a dirty ashtray after a while. But for the most part, their job is to enforce the law and protect us. It's not as much Race as the Thug mentallity they face day after day that wears them down.
Im not doubting that - does that mean we should give cops a free ride when they pull shit like this? If so, is it a mystery a lot of people don;t trust cops in the first place?


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My sisters best friend had someone flash a gun at her because she asked them to lower their voice around her 3 and 5 yr. old kid's inside a McDonalds in NY. Theres some of my Perspective, that someone would do that shit in front of a Mom and her kid's because they don't like being spoken down to in front of their homeboys. Now, just imaging what would happen if the same guy was in a movie theatre...
Thats a terrible story - but that guy wasn't in the cinema - Harris and Tolson were. Isn't that what we're discussing here or are all black people interchangeable?

What was your point in telling me that story?
post #50 of 52
Jeeezus. Shit, meet fan.
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