Want to see what was cut out of DAWN OF THE DEAD (Remake)?

looking forward to this one as well. Definately exceeded my expectations, which granted were pretty low at the time..

Is the UNRATED version being released Region 1 or is it just being released in Region 3?

It looks more hardcore, which is good. I really felt a lot of the violence was weak in that flick.

this message board is helping me this week! First i get Unnameable 2 on DVD thanks to a poster..and now i've pre-ordered Dawn of the Dead a full 2 months before i thought i'd get it..thank god i have a region free player..thanks for posting guys. those screencaps of the differences inthe Unrated version have me salivating! my favorite movie of all time is and will always be the Original Dawn o of the Dead...which was why i was dreading the remake with fierce intensity... but i truly think they made a really good movie..and i still have the original to watch anytime i want.

That's awesome, a movie can always use more gore. I wish there was more zombie-cannibalism though.

I guess I have to order the german Dvd then and the US one when it comes out, damn movie studio....

Not on a multi-plex friendly, made by the Suits, Studio flick.

It was a pointless, unwanted, unwarranted,, name leeching, Studio re-make of a groundbreaking MPAA snubbing INDY film from the start...but that it was a move backwards on on screen gore just makes it worse. CGI splatter and popcorn friendly cmputer game grue is not the same thing at all......

Unrated DVD? Big news...Like the exactly the same above definaition "TCM" remake, this flick will never pass before my eyes. Keep it for the lard ass mall-rats who can't appreciate why the classic, Indy originals should have been left alone.

Hey Wetbones, where did you read about that German dvd and when does it come out exactly?

I'm thinking, a little trip to Germany in the next few weeks couldn't hurt.

Their very existence is shit...
Their quality (though some things like Studio re-makes of classic Indy films and the general audience that makes up the horror fan base nowadays that such needless films are aimed at go without saying) is of no interest to me.

They should not exist. I could care less what they are like.

Their very make up, their very origins, that they are even here at all is a disgrace....It all just sums up the shit state of the horror genre today and the crap heap that is the general cinema horror market.

It's all extremely unwelcome and pointless....needless, moving backwards, re-makes for the 5 second infomercial generation, people who use 'gay', 'retatrded' and 'dude' every sentence while jacking off to Eminem thinking they are Black and thinking that with these re-makes they are actually watching the real deal.

Who cares.....

It's already out!?!


Damn.....
I would get it from Overseas, but shelling out extra $$ for a region-free player for just one movie is kinda foolish. Does anyone know if you could mod the US DVD players so that they can play all Region DVD movies?

Remakes have always existed in horror since the earliest days of silent frights and I have no problem with them as long as they bring a freash approach to the table. What about..

THE FLY
INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS
THE THING
Herzog's NOSFERATU
Coppola's DRACULA

All of these are great refreshing takes on the source material and in some cases completely out do the original. Sure I'll agree it's gotten way out of hand. For every one of these we have to be bombarded with a handful of ilk like THE RING, or PSYCHO remake, but I'm certainly not adverse to them existing in some way.

Hell, I loved Savini's NOTLD too..

Calling something "shit" without ever having watched them is idiotic.

It's like saying: I hate the taste of hamburger although I've never had one. The very existence of a hamburger insults me. I mean, grounding up a steak and putting it on a bun. Boy! I can't even sleep at night thinking about it.

Before shelling out any more $$$, try searching for a hack for your own player here.

DEL:
Why don't you read...I said their existence was shit. I could care les about the actual films.

The old 'there have always been remakes' guff again.....

"The Thing" did not even have the same title as the first film, and was actually another, closer ADPATION of the original story.
And the effects used were so beyond anything seen in the original, and censorship had moved on soooooo much that it was just completely different...Something YOU CAN'T say about "Dawn 2004" as even today...they are not even able to show whet the original did! Hence this Thread about an unrated DVD.

"The Fly" was a Studio film again. As above.....Effects had moved on so much from the 50's that completely new ideas and visuals were possible, what was able to be shown on the screen had again changed by a MASSIVE amount (again...NOT like "Dawn" as the lack of actual gut munching, limb chewing scenes in the remake shows!)...But also "The Fly" was Directed by such a personal and unique Director that the re-make would ALWAYS, ALWAYS be a Cronenberg film before it was a re-make of "The Fly".

And..."Dawn" and "TCM" are INDY films...films outside the system. And a Studio remake is a disgrace full stop.
And to me this is a BIG reason...."The Fly" and "The Thing From Another World" were already Studio films anyway. They were already Hollywood product.
"Dawn of the Dead" and "TCM" were Indy films. Made on a personal level, with the creators themselves working through money, distribution and censorship hassles.
This fact alone (even if we forget all of the above points) means they should never be taken and made into Hollywood product because, as Indy films, the originals were something that went their own way, stood on their own feet, were by theri very nature personal works and were actually pushing the boundries that Hollywood films would not or could not.

Hollywood has always played second fiddle to the Indy market where horror and exploitation is concerned. Hence the 'Grindhouse-Lite' "Midnight Cowboy"...This type of story/setting had been the playground of the Indy Drive-In/grindhouse circuit for ages before Hollywood came along and did their 'worthy' version.

The originals are easily available to see...there is no need to re-make such classic, groundbreaking INDY movies.

Horror lost it's power when it lost it's venues. When the Grindhouse Cinemas closed after places like 42nd Street choked on their own vomit (hey clean it up, down rip it down..oh sorry too late, here comes a 'Disney' Store) and the Drive-Ins became parking lots and 'Garden Tools R Us' stores.

During the prime period between the late 60's early 80's American cinema, indy cinema, horror cinema, exploitation cinema, maverick Studio cinema gave us some of the best, weird, bizarre, unique, deranged, powerful, grioundbreaking films ever seen...And now all it is doing is feeding on that legacy and shitting out re-makes of films that should not be touched.
They are taking some of the wonderful product they made, cannibalising the juiciest parts and slopping out compromised, name leeching, legacy leeching, history leeching rehash efforts that go against everything i for one love about that time period....and those films and all the real characters that made and distributed them.
Great, wild times being fed on to make a glossy, multi-plex friendly counterfeit product for the infomercial generation that make up too much of todays audience.

When it comes to stuff like this i am very happy to live in the past.

Well, that was a whole lot of self-righteous justification It's alright to have double standards, but lets not kill ourselves bending over backwards to appear atop the moral pedestal.

Explain why the fact they were originally independents makes such a difference, or really has anything to do with anything here. It looks like you tried in the above post--but I'm not buying it. It's not as if personal studio pictures have never existed, or troubled productions at a studio haven't made life hard for the creator trying to get his vision onscreen.

If you're against the concept of remakes, you're against the concept of remakes, and that's fine--but this reads far more like posturing and grandstanding, especially taking into account the hoops you're jumping through to justify your shitting on Dawn of the Dead (2004) after watching The Fly (1986) The Thing (1982).

And if the originals are available to see, then why is this sentence:

In your post? It's not like Universal is somehow negating 1978 by making this remake. It's not like you've gone to Lacuna Inc and been Eternally Sunshined. The originals are out there. You can rent them. You can own them. You can watch them. They still have the cinematic and cultural impact you're saying they have. A remake doesn't diminish that in any way, and you'd have to work pretty hard to prove that a remake tarnishes the original in such a way as to damage the original's standing in film history. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a single example of that EVER happening.

It reads as very naive.

Do I wish people would stop remaking classics and start remaking mediocre films in an attempt to better flesh out the good ideas trapped in a bad execution? Yeah. But there is nothing damaging about Dawn of the Dead (2004) and as a matter of fact, one could say it lead to Romero getting Land of the Dead made after 10-15 years of trying.

Just ordered the HK region 3 disc from play-asia.

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-90-70-965.html

Looks like it's the same unrated version with all of the extras that will eventually come out here in October.

Also, I was just as skeptical about this film as the next guy, being a Pittsburgh native and die-hard Romero fan. Although I was expecting a Resident Evil-esque hack job, what i found was a highly enjoyable film. Not a remake of a classic, but a fresh and different take on a zombie film. In the original the idea of the mall was mall as a fortress, and in the new one the mall became a prison. I liked that updating of the idea. I also loved the opening 10 minutes. We never get to see the beginning carnage of a zombie epidemic in most zombie films, just people dealing with the aftermath. It was refreshing to see the horrific events unfold before my eyes.

I'll be proud to have this '04 DOTD on my DVD shelf next to my '78 DOTD editions(which are autographed by Romero and Savini, a perk of living in Pittsburgh one could say).

Jesus! If I have to explain THAT to you..what's the point. If you can't see it, there is no point in explaining.
As that should not need explaining. Be happy, they make these re-makes for the people who ask such a question...

Naive? No just passionate and giving a shit. If you can't see that or understand that...there's nothing i can do for you.

And they are not 'hoops' they are facts and i backed them up, and i backed them up via comparisons.

Again, if you can't see those reasons, i can't help.

Sequels are known as just that...sequels. In the books on film now and to come they are sequels. That #2 or #3 or subtitle mean a lot. Just as the orignal title means more than JUST a name.

we have 2 "Suspiria's
we have 2 "Dawn of the Dead's"
we have 2 "The Texas Chansaw Massacre's"..which is bad enough.
But new Studio versions made for this lame modern market and audience who have already said drivel like "the original was too slow", "the original had crappy camera work" is an insult heaped upon an insult.

But like I said...you be happy and blind. I can't explain things and feelings that should just BE.
If you don't see it or feel it, it's a damn shame, but i can't hep.

Wow someones momma didn't love them.


Your very very bitter pal. Cool down.


And I'm guessing you don't like J.C's The Thing or the Fly remake then? Because if you do, that would make you a big ol' hypocrite.

The point is that I better understand where you're coming from so I don't write your shit off as meaningless overreactive rose-colored nostalgic film snobbery of the worst kind, that's why. I'd rather really see where you're coming from than to have you write me off as some kind of stupid spoon fed sheep because I dare to ask WHY you believe what you do.

And you didn't back anything up with any fact--you rationalized like crazy with your own opinion. Whole lot of justification and rationalization for your double standard. If you saw those previous remakes, why not give this one a shot? What's the harm? What medal are you trying to win from the Masonic Film Geek Association? If it's a shitty movie--like you said, the original is still available, the history is still standing, the memories are still in your head. but if it's a GOOD movie, then you've gotten to see a nice riff on something, and you've experienced something pretty cool. Which is the whole point of being a horror fan, aint it?

And I don't know where you're bringing that sequel shit from--I don't remember bringing that up at all. It's like a non-sequitur in our debate here.

I think it's a damn shame that a horror fan would deprive themselves of a possible good time simply because they don't realize how the film industry, INDEPENDENT OR STUDIO, has worked and will always work. What is there to lose, really? besides the 3.50 for a rental in the case you think it's a shitty movie (and most don't, from what I can tell.)

but please--try to explain yourself so I can get you better. Cuz as it stands right now, it's just indignant self-important film-militant elitist superiority complex bullshit that you're throwing out right now, and I'd like to think there's more to it than that.

I'm with you on that one bub.

The Thing From Another World is NOT so different a title from just The Thing. Your kidding yourself in a desperate argument to make out that your not being a giant hypocrite when you are. And Dawn remake was VERY different to the original. Very. So it shows you haven't bothered to watch.
The story line is essentially the same (group of survivors on the run from zombies and hole up in a mall) but the execution is very different. Hell the story between the Thing and TTFAW is identical too (an alien invades a remote outpost in antartica). So your argument is pap.

Dawn was different in the same was as the Thing and The Fly, and if your too damn ignorant to even give it a chance, that's your problem. You just make yourself look like a giant , bitter hypocrite.

While they have the same basic Premise Dawn(Original) and Dawn(2004) are basicly different movies unlike the original Thing From Another World and the remake Thing Please either start with a constructive non-hypocrytical post or go to your room young man.

Regardless of 42ndStFreak's ranting (or perhaps because of), I can't wait to run the Dawn of the Dead gambit. Original and Unrated back-to-back! Glorious!

Now, should I make it a real deal, and run all of the Romero movies (NOTLD,DOTD, DayOTD), the Night remake, and then swandive into the Dawn remake, or should I KISS? Your thoughts, caller!

42ndStFreak's posts turned me off at first, but now he's got me thinking.

I watched the Dawn and Chainsaw remakes with an open mind, and enjoyed both of them. If, for instance, a studio was to option and remake the Evil Dead (which is dear to my heart) I would probably have a conniption fit. There's just something about remaking an independently lensed classic from less than 30 years ago that seems wrong. It reeks of squeezing new money from a property based on name alone.

Since I can't wait until October, I just ordered this from the HK DVD.

I'll buy it again when it hits our shores.

Here's where I got it:

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-...ad-70-965.html

I love these threads where everyone starts throwing shit.

Let me preface this by saying I feel the words adaptation and remake co-inside and the remakes that do work are adaptations, not slaves the source material.

Basically what I'm gathering from the people against the existance of remakes is adapting a written work of prose fiction is ok, but when it comes to a indy feature they're some sacred cow. If anything shouldn't the book be sacred? And yet every year we're bombarded by too many of these where people clamor about it was(or wasn't) faithful to the book blah,blah,blah. When in all actuality I don't want to see a film version that is a scene by scene carbon copy of any book either. Hell, I'll read the book. That's why the PSYCHO remake was pointless.

In cinema the process shouldn't be any different. After all it to originates from the written word albeit in script form, and just because it made it's way to celluloid first shouldn't make it untouchable. Any writter will tell ya that there are very few original ideas, only different interpretations.

At the end of the day if the remake (adaptation) can't hold its weight and walk on its own then it just becomes a bad idea.

"My Fourth zombie flick DEAD RECKONING is percolating on high boil since the DAWN OF THE DEAD remake made 27 million in its first weekend. There's a very good chance DEAD RECKONING will go into production soon."

- George Romero

Now I ask you what's wrong with this?

42ndstreet. I checked out your site and I'm into a lot of that stuff. Congrats on the birth of your daughter. My first kid (a girl) was bourne in April and I still can't believe I'm a dad, but highly recommend it.

I have just seen the unrated cut of DOTD 04.

I would say that's is a more complete version of the movie. It explains some of the illogical questions that the movie raised (how did they get in?), but I think some of the hardcore gorehounds are going to be disappointed. The majority of the extra footage is new character stuff. Some cool exploding heads 'n stuff, but hardly the 5 minutes of gore that Syder had hinted at.

The expanded sequence at Andy's is way cool, though....

Has anyone had luck with these dvd hacks/codes for their region 1 dvd players? I found one for my player from the link supplied by someone earlier in this thread and the code seems to work. Changed it to region 3 and my region 1 dvd I put in wouldn't work. Was able to change it to region 0 and then dvd worked again, etc.. So does this mean if I order the region 3 dvd of Dawn of the Dead it will play on my dvd player, I assume so? I don't have any other region dvd's to test it out for sure. I really want to order this , but am unsure if it will actually play when I get the region 3 of Dawn. Should I take the chance and order it? I really don't want to wait another 2 1/2 months for this movie in the states !!! What other problems could I be missing? Almost seems too easy........

Remakes good, remakes bad...don't matter to me. If the remake looks bad or I'm that much against it-sight unseen and on what I think are honorable principles, then I won't watch it.

But I loved this remake (the original is still why I take a breath every day), and I think it can happily exist in a parallel universe next to Savini's NOTLD remake.


I ordered this movie (the HK region 3 disc) yesterday morning, and I'll do a little dance when it comes to my house.


Plus...it's another fucking zombie movie to love!

Amen brother. I ordered the film from play-asia as well.

And now my closing remarks: When it comes down to it, zombie movies are like sex. Sometimes they are amazing, sometimes they arent very good at all. But at the end of the day...either way you still got laid.

Because I love when this comes up....

[Not defending 42 btw, I saw DOTD '04 and it was a decent flick, wish the same could be said for TCM...]

Ok. NOSFERATU? Sure, it was okay, but pretty pointless. Coppola's DRACULA, IN MY OPINION, was utter shit. A fucking mess and the start of Hopkins' career nosedive. The other three... well they didn't have hugely great movies in the first place... I always say, remake if it needs one. If it doesn't... best to leave well alone, although yeah, the original will always be there. It just pisses me off that I see all these fucking kids saying 'TCM 03 was great' and then seeing their blank looks when I ask if you've seen/heard of the original.

.....and on the other side of that I thought it was a very interesting take on the Stoker novel and loved Herzog's NOSFERATU.

Coppola's DRACULA was fantastic (except for Keanu and his "accent"). Just my opinion.

Looking forward to the DOTD remake... I didn't catch in theaters (my expecations were too low).

-DD

The only thing that really matters. The more zombies the better, I say.

holy snikeys! 42ndstreet is being generous enough to give us a prime example of self perpetuating elitism.

Step outside of the film industry for a second if you will. No one is born an afficionado. For every guy that can truly appreciate a classic, or truly 'get' the originality of its predecessors, that same guy probably happened upon some vapid, ignorant 'update' of an 'old fave' and became interested.

Comics, movies, coins, are all examples. In fact just about every hobby or obsession starts with some lowest common denominator entry. So whats wrong with that? Without the LCD's, people like you wouldn't have anyone to bash or urinate upon from your moral highground.

12 Years ago when I picked up my very first spider-man comic off a rack in a grocery store, I had no idea what the value of a non-inked, pencil only original page 16 from issue 3 of ultimate spider-man would truly be. I had no idea why the original artwork depicting spider-man in his pre-suit wrestling outfit on pages 8 and 9 of issue 2 would be so important and cool to own (way way before the movie came out) Now I do. But I certainly don't look back upon myself as a teenager with disgust.

I absolutely garuntee you, thousands of people watched the original Dawn of the Dead due 100% to this remake coming out. If they have half a brain, they 'got' it and became lovers of romero, and the DOTD remake will be a cute footnote in their path to enlightenment. A new film came out that gave Romero press, and with its success made it easier for him to make new movies, and you're crapping on it?

Please justify this to me, because I just don't 'get' it.

Got the region 3 DVD today. So far I have only checked out the Special report thing.


Let me say it does look a little cheesy, but had what I thought were some pretty creepy moments....the audio adress of the president and the final scenes were pretty haunting. It's a really good featurette (with mostly all new footage, and it's not grainy, sadly, but does the job). The late Richard Briggs....I never was a Babylon five fan, but here, he gives it credibility and was a fine, fine actor. This special feature, in my mind, was one that was a no brainer for a zombie movie and hopefully will start a trend.

Next up the tapes of andy and deleted scenes, and onto the directors cut!

I want one too.

Not to mention, without the box office of this and other zombie movies (such as Resident Evil), Romero's Land of the Dead would be more like Dead in the Water.

If you have a region free player:

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71...ead-70-965.html


Just trying to help out a fellow Pittsburgher.

And, of course, let us not forget the 4 disc set of Dawn '78 coming early September.

Dig it.

Hey 42nd St

Are you one of those AICN asshat Talkbackers? We are basking in the glory of Horror. We bleed this shit dude. People here are hungry for flesh blood. Don't tear people down for being excited. If your pissed about the state of horror movie making, start a new thread

I would get one but i don't have a RF Player. (Yet)

In that case:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...ssPageName=WDVW

This one will play any disc from any region and even has the NTSC/PAL conversion built in. I bought this so I can get that region 2 Hellraiser box set that comes in the puzzle box replica next month(not to mention Shaun of the Dead UK edition).

I got mine in the mail today(the auctioner honestly sent it out one hour after I paypaled him. Toronto to Pittsburgh in 4 days!) and it plays my current collection perfectly. I won't have any PAL or other region discs to check until my Spaced season 1 and 2 set comes in a few days from Amazon UK. The unit itself is very slim and sexy looking too.

Also that price beats any other I've seen for that model on the net, even incuding shipping.

Just a suggestion mate.