The reason I love horror is it's the most uninhibated genre. It comes in so many shapes and sizes that it crops up in the most inauspicious places. And yet my favorite filmakers are not what you'd call horror, although they're capable of covering a wide gamut of emotions. Guys like John Waters, Terry Gilliam, David Lynch, Almovadar, Luis Bunuel, and Jodorowsky. All push the envelope and cross over into the darkness at times. Of these, I think Bunuel is the most effective at mixing dark surreal imagery into the normal padgeantry of his work and just about everyone of his films has a moment, or two, of utter weirdness, if not struggles of psychological horror. Lest we forget the first real serious implacation of gore effect he staged with Dali still makes me cringe from UN ChIEN ANDALOU, and he wrote the script for the first silent avant-garde adaption of Poe's FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER?
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I'm a big fan of Lynch and Jodorowsky but I cannot stand Almodovar. The only thing I'll give him credit for is that he helped Alex de la Iglesia make his debut as a director with ACCION MUTANTE. Bunuel I'm very interested in but I've yet to track down any of his films on DVD. I think a few of them are out there, somewhere ...
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First off, who are you and why do you live in South Carolina, damn it? So far you've proven yourself an excellent addition to these hallowed boards. Kudos.
I assume your asking whether or now 'we' consider Luis Buñuel (not to be confused with Juan Luis Buñuel who has made a couple of horror films) to be a 'horror director'? I consider him more of a Surrealist than any specific genre. 'Susana' is a pretty interesting study in creating discord. I do agree that 'An Andalusian Dog' has some fairly disturbing imagery.
I assume your asking whether or now 'we' consider Luis Buñuel (not to be confused with Juan Luis Buñuel who has made a couple of horror films) to be a 'horror director'? I consider him more of a Surrealist than any specific genre. 'Susana' is a pretty interesting study in creating discord. I do agree that 'An Andalusian Dog' has some fairly disturbing imagery.
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First off, who are you and why do you live in South Carolina, damn it?
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My main reason for the thread is I'm still trying to get a feel for what some people here are into. My taste in about everything fits no easy mold, but horror is about as solid an anchor as I maintain and still when around genre fans most can't believe that I actually have an appreciation for someone like Woody Allen.. I love it.
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I'm a big fan of Lynch and Jodorowsky but I cannot stand Almodovar.
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I am a fellow Bunuel enthusiast and a big fan of Un Chien Andalou. That film is one of the best of all-time I think; it's definitely a springboard for the horror genre, but to classify it as only "horror" de-notes the film I believe; in actuality it is larger than the genre itself.
What makes Bunuel so great to me is ability to make us laugh and cringe, sometimes within the same scene. His films are nasty, beautiful, sexy (each film features a stocking shot), irreverant, comic, witty (an understatement), thoughtful, passionate, dispassionate (his view of characters), and without a hint of pretense. He is in the top drawer of filmmakers, beside the likes of Renoir, Lang, Welles, Ozu, Kurosawa (though, Bunuel is miles ahead) and a couple others.
Of his films that are on dvd ( I think there are four or five now), I would say rent Diary of a Chambermaid (it's from Criterion) or Belle de Jour first, but I stress that seeing his early films first and then seeing his later films works the best. One must realize that with Bunuel ANYTHING can happen, and I do mean anything. To quote David Thomson, "a mother may cut open her son's stomach to see if he's well-fed." That's Bunuel for you. His films are very sophisticated and often have much to do with the struggle between man and woman or man and woman against religion (Catholicism to be exact), as well as the skewering of the rich, but mostly he takes aim at human nature. Bunuel is my favorite director (he also wrote a great autobiography); I recognize him as the greatest of all-time (sorry for not being humble) and he made the best final film of any director (at the age of 78!), that being That Obscure Object of Desire. Another interesting aspect in his career is that it almost seems as though he became better as he aged, like a fine wine; he proved year after year why film can be both art and entertainment.
What makes Bunuel so great to me is ability to make us laugh and cringe, sometimes within the same scene. His films are nasty, beautiful, sexy (each film features a stocking shot), irreverant, comic, witty (an understatement), thoughtful, passionate, dispassionate (his view of characters), and without a hint of pretense. He is in the top drawer of filmmakers, beside the likes of Renoir, Lang, Welles, Ozu, Kurosawa (though, Bunuel is miles ahead) and a couple others.
Of his films that are on dvd ( I think there are four or five now), I would say rent Diary of a Chambermaid (it's from Criterion) or Belle de Jour first, but I stress that seeing his early films first and then seeing his later films works the best. One must realize that with Bunuel ANYTHING can happen, and I do mean anything. To quote David Thomson, "a mother may cut open her son's stomach to see if he's well-fed." That's Bunuel for you. His films are very sophisticated and often have much to do with the struggle between man and woman or man and woman against religion (Catholicism to be exact), as well as the skewering of the rich, but mostly he takes aim at human nature. Bunuel is my favorite director (he also wrote a great autobiography); I recognize him as the greatest of all-time (sorry for not being humble) and he made the best final film of any director (at the age of 78!), that being That Obscure Object of Desire. Another interesting aspect in his career is that it almost seems as though he became better as he aged, like a fine wine; he proved year after year why film can be both art and entertainment.
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Great post Lady Snowblood and list of filmakers. I agree with everything said and didn't mean to categorize Bunuel "solely" horror, only to suggest more than a few of his films are unstereotypically disturbing and horrific!
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I am a fellow Bunuel enthusiast and a big fan of Un Chien Andalou. That film is one of the best of all-time I think; it's definitely a springboard for the horror genre, but to classify it as only "horror" de-notes the film I believe; in actuality it is larger than the genre itself.
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Kino International owns the distribution rights. Sadly there are currently no plans for a DVD release in the immediate future.
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UN CHIEN ANDALOU is an amazing experimental short that as Wetbones alluded makes little narrative sense, but it's amazing how Bunuel went on to capture the human condition so eloquently in ALL his films. SUSANA, LOS OLVIDADOS, THAT OBJECT OF DESIRE are prime examples of how he became a brillant storyteller with surrealistic flashes reminicent of his early films, but not over reliant as many might lead you to believe.
Has anyone read his seminal THE LAST SIGH? Not only is it the sinle greatest autobio on a filmaker I've read (with a nod to Naschy's excellent MEMOIRS OF A WOLFMAN), but the greatest autobio period, as Bunuel relives his passions outside of film that carried over zenlike to his art. One of a kind!
Has anyone read his seminal THE LAST SIGH? Not only is it the sinle greatest autobio on a filmaker I've read (with a nod to Naschy's excellent MEMOIRS OF A WOLFMAN), but the greatest autobio period, as Bunuel relives his passions outside of film that carried over zenlike to his art. One of a kind!
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Have you seen stuff like MATADOR and LIVE FLESH? Curious.
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Legba, great post(s) ... BELLE DE JOUR is a favorite of mine, so much so that when I fist saw the film on a bootleg VHS about 10 years ago, I decided that my role model would be Pierre Clementi 
When done sincerly and with style, adding horrific and/or disturbing elements to a drama always adds interest in my book ...
Liliana Cavani's THE NIGHT PORTER features some of the most troubling images I have ever had the pleasure to watch, and not only do they give the viewer an added slap, the graphic tone of certain scenes adds to the saddness and dispair, and helps retain those feeligs long after the film has ended ...
Another great is Michael Powell, whose beautiful BLACK NARCISSUS was not without some chilling moments, those of which only hinted at what he would give fans of horror in PEEPING TOM
And I can't go without mentioning Peter Weir, and in particualar, PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK ...

When done sincerly and with style, adding horrific and/or disturbing elements to a drama always adds interest in my book ...
Liliana Cavani's THE NIGHT PORTER features some of the most troubling images I have ever had the pleasure to watch, and not only do they give the viewer an added slap, the graphic tone of certain scenes adds to the saddness and dispair, and helps retain those feeligs long after the film has ended ...
Another great is Michael Powell, whose beautiful BLACK NARCISSUS was not without some chilling moments, those of which only hinted at what he would give fans of horror in PEEPING TOM
And I can't go without mentioning Peter Weir, and in particualar, PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK ...
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Legba, great post(s) ... BELLE DE JOUR is a favorite of mine, so much so that when I fist saw the film on a bootleg VHS about 10 years ago, I decided that my role model would be Pierre Clementi
![]() When done sincerly and with style, adding horrific and/or disturbing elements to a drama always adds interest in my book ... Liliana Cavani's THE NIGHT PORTER features some of the most troubling images I have ever had the pleasure to watch, and not only do they give the viewer an added slap, the graphic tone of certain scenes adds to the saddness and dispair, and helps retain those feeligs long after the film has ended ... Another great is Michael Powell, whose beautiful BLACK NARCISSUS was not without some chilling moments, those of which only hinted at what he would give fans of horror in PEEPING TOM And I can't go without mentioning Peter Weir, and in particualar, PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK ... |
SALO is the most disturbing film, with a nod to THE SWEET MOVIE I've ever seen however.
Wetbones - those three certainly aren't the best examples and definatly not good starting points, although I like the irreverent humor of WOMEN ON THE VERGE that at times harkens back to the silent days. ALL ABOUT MY MOTHER is by far his most melodramatic and can be a bit much at times.
I would suggest the ones previously mentioned including maybe KIKI to start and if that doesn't do it for ya there's no hope. (lol)
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You guys are my kind of people.
John Waters, Terry Gilliam, David Lynch, Jodorowsky... all great stuff.
Kudos to Peeping Tom too, I can't be the only one who prefers it to Psycho, surely? Truly disturbing film for 1960, kinda killed Powell's career. Psycho is nowhere as sadistic as Peeping Tom.
I'm well ashamed to say I've only seen Belle de Jour and am seriously lacking in Bunuel-knowledge, but I'm planning to buy his films blind, which I never do. Keep hearing great stuff about The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, and The Phantom of Liberty.
How about Ravenous? A black comedy with some horror thrown in... or is it the other way around? Great B-flick anyway.
John Waters, Terry Gilliam, David Lynch, Jodorowsky... all great stuff.
Kudos to Peeping Tom too, I can't be the only one who prefers it to Psycho, surely? Truly disturbing film for 1960, kinda killed Powell's career. Psycho is nowhere as sadistic as Peeping Tom.
I'm well ashamed to say I've only seen Belle de Jour and am seriously lacking in Bunuel-knowledge, but I'm planning to buy his films blind, which I never do. Keep hearing great stuff about The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, and The Phantom of Liberty.
How about Ravenous? A black comedy with some horror thrown in... or is it the other way around? Great B-flick anyway.
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