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Okay, then...Haute Tension.

post #1 of 27
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I've now seen it, yep...I've now seen it.

If I hadn't been informed that there would be a twist at the end (although I was given no details) I wouldv'e been pissed, at this moment I am merely annoyed.

This reminds me of the forgotten Halle Berry thriller "The Rich Man's Wife"; although "Haute Tension" is far more engaging than that pile of shit, it suffers from the same flaw.
There is a twist at the end of "The Rich Man's Wife", and it is ridiculous, ridiculous because it is gives you no option to play back the events in your head to unlock the details of a fine tuned mystery. It is simply there to make the previous 1hr 1/2 or 2hrs interesting, to make itself look intelligent...it fails.

Chewers who enjoyed the film were correct, it is a pretty solid, and trim little thriller; nasty in all the right places and tense in when it needs to be, it's promising.
The opening of the film gave me two guesses as to what the "twist" was, I leaned towards what ended up being correct, but I hoped it would be neither.

After the big reveal, I got a mental picture of director Aja in my head and I let him know how I felt at the moment: FUCK YOOOOUUUUU!!!!

You'd think that people would stop playing that angle, you'd think that writers/directors would just leave it alone, but I guess they're going w/ the logic "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Is it broke Monsieur Aja, very fucking broke.

The ending of "Haute Tension" leaves you with a shattered jigsaw puzzle of continuity (explain away the truck please), it gives you little to no option for "playback". Aja drops the finale in your lap and says "Fuck it, you deal with, I can't be bothered!"

It's lazy, and insulting, and if the majority of the film wasn't as well packaged as it is, I'd quickly tell Aja to go fuck himself.

See "Haute Tension" to learn something about making a good horror film (something Americans have primarily forgotten) but turn it off at the 75-78min mark.
post #2 of 27
Yeah, HAUTE TENSION is a strong contender for "Best Film Ruined By A Shitty Ending".
post #3 of 27
Dying to see this. So, there are a few current international DVD releases of this one. Does anyone have any info on them? I've heard that there's a Korean one with english subs, but it's has slightly cut down violence. Also an uncut french one but with no english subs. Does anyone have the scoop on these?
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by djhotpocket2001
Dying to see this. So, there are a few current international DVD releases of this one. Does anyone have any info on them? I've heard that there's a Korean one with english subs, but it's has slightly cut down violence. Also an uncut french one but with no english subs. Does anyone have the scoop on these?
I have the Thailand version. The english dubbing is annoying, and it detracts from the film, but it's uncut.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
I have the Thailand version. The english dubbing is annoying, and it detracts from the film, but it's uncut.
Dubbing eh? I hate dubbing but I just may have to bite the bullet and give it a go, thanks.
post #6 of 27
I have the Korean one, though I haven't watched it yet (though only 1 more day of work and then vacation....time to catch up) and I believe it was Wetbones who told me in another thread that this version just has 33sec of violence cut out. As I haven't watched it, I can't tell you how good the translation for the subtitles is though.

I'll be interested to see this ending though (I, like Jackknife was also before watching it. dont know too much about the plot, but I do know there's some kind of twist ending.) Sounds like it's as bad as Dead End's stupid ending.
post #7 of 27
HA!

Told you it was bad.
post #8 of 27
I really liked it until the cheesy twist. Is it just me or did the stalker look like Quint from "JAWS"?!!!! Holy shit, Robert Shaw is pissed off and drunk again, RUN!!!! -Clark
post #9 of 27
I believe it's 23 seconds out of the Korean DVD. That's the one I have, and there's still plenty of red, but the cuts are fairly obvious. There's a decapitation that we don't. quite. see, for example.

Excellent film, but yes, I think the escalating tension needed a big capper to finish on...I just wish they hadn't picked the one they did. I don't think it ruined the film, but it made sections of it make NO sense whatsoever.
post #10 of 27
the stalker is the same guy from I Stand Alone and the very beginning of Irreversable


As for the ending....jes, it was cheap
post #11 of 27
So, what's this super cheap ending, anyone want to post it with a ***Warning spoiler***, I'd be interested to know, it will probably be a while until I get a chance to see it.

Thanks!
post #12 of 27
I gotta say, I think the problem is not the film but that we have been trained to make every single piece of information line up in a movie. I think with High Tension you need to be able to just accept certain things in the film.

SPOILERS...just in case...




The truck, the conversation in the convienence store, and a lot of other things all take place in her mind, so if they don't add up in a neat little package at the end of the movie...well...whuddya expect? IF you're willing to take a leap of faith on what is real and what is in her mind, then you'll enjoy the movie a whole lot more.

And I agree, I'm actually surprised more people don't have the twist figured out in the first 5 minutes...she basically says it.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by djhotpocket2001
Dubbing eh? I hate dubbing but I just may have to bite the bullet and give it a go, thanks.
Buy the uncut French DVD.

Download the English subtitles off the internet.

Play the DVD on your PC and use VOBsub to add the subtitles.

Problem solved.
post #14 of 27
For those of us waiting to see this in theatres (which is short-hand for "those of us without an all-region DVD player"), is the French cut the one Lions gate will be releasing under the dreaded NC-17?
post #15 of 27
I believe so. What else would it be?
post #16 of 27
Yeah, they are releasing NC-17. Joy.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by MightyBikkit
Yeah, they are releasing NC-17. Joy.
I'll believe it when I see it. A lot can happen within a year and the people who made that NC-17 promise will most likely no longer have their jobs. Hollywood is one gigantic musical chairs game. Remember what happened with CABIN FEVER? We had been promised the director's cut, the responsible person got the boot and we didn't get it. The same could very well happen with HAUTE TENSION. So I wouldn't be surprised if we'd get a watered down R-rated version in the fall of 2005. We shall call it the SAW-Syndrome.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by malfuncsean
Holy shit, Robert Shaw is pissed off and drunk again, RUN!!!! -Clark
If it gets Robert Shaw alive again, I'd take it in a heartbeat!

"Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes."
post #19 of 27
Hey c'mon, are you really shocked that Saw is being cut for R? Can you REALLY blame the studio? This is a business...and you don't make money releasing NC-17 films all year. Sucks, but don't blame Lions Gate or any of the studios, blame the MPAA. The fact that they are planning on release ANY films NC-17 is something we should be appreciative of...until they do otherwise. Besides, Saw SCREAMS for an unrated DVD version, I'm sure they'll do that. Cabin Fever...eh...what more could there have been? What got cut that would have changed the look of the film as an NC-17?
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by MightyBikkit
Cabin Fever...eh...what more could there have been? What got cut that would have changed the look of the film as an NC-17?
Actually, nothing... Eli always said that the only problem he's had with the MPAA was on how to cut the trailer. I don't think he ever aimed at NC-17.
post #21 of 27
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Cabin Fever...eh...what more could there have been? What got cut that would have changed the look of the film as an NC-17?
CABIN FEVER never had any problems getting a R rating. But Lion's Gate recut the film, removing a lot of stuff (15 minutes) and also cutting a whole scene towards the end where the police find one survivor in the basement and shoot him. The DVD that was promised would not have been unrated but the cut of the film that played festivals. Lion's Gate tested both their recut version and Roth's original director's cut and their version got better ratings from test screening audiences so they went with it.
post #22 of 27
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Lion's Gate tested both their recut version and Roth's original director's cut and their version got better ratings from test screening audiences so they went with it.
The lesson is, as always... Blame the public.
post #23 of 27
I blame the mallrats who get recruited into these test screenings and decide what everybody around the world gets to see. A bunch of teenagers get to decide what I will pay to see in theaters and on DVD. That's really fucking awesome!
post #24 of 27
Okay, time to dreg this up again....as I finally watched my copy. So, is Dean Koontz suing these guys?
I mean, I've only read one Kootnz book in my lifetime as I'd never heard too much good about his stuff, but I did read Intensity....I kinda liked the sound of the buzz around it when it came out and that nifty orange/yellow cover and...


SPOILERS


I even dragged out my paperback to check. The first 1 hour and 10 minutes of Haute Tension (High Tension...Intensity) are exactly more or less the first 125 pages of the book. 2 girls out to the one's family farm from school to study, killer comes in murders whole family while the guest girl sneaks around, she gets stuck in the killers truck with the friend as they drive away (though I believe friend is dead and its the thought of another girl in captive that keeps her going)--killer doesn't know she's in the truck, they stop at a gas station where she sneaks around the aisles and the killer kills the employees so she calls the cops and realizes she doesn't have enough info so she takes the employee's car and gives chase. Hmmmmm, seem familiar? I watched thru all the credits and didn't see any hint of Koontz's name at all as in "based on" etc.
It was just so weird, at the beginning I was thinking, wow this is just like that book Intensity.

But beyond the fact that the story was then ruined for me because I knew what was coming next after I realized it was a straight adaptation, you guys were right. That ending (well more, the last 15 minutes or so) was so fucking stupid. And it doesn't even come together....where did the truck come from? I guess she was just imagining being in the truck and giving herself imaginary head with the severed head? And, well, it's pointless to go on. Just fucking ridiculous.

Although, I did think the main girl was pretty hot. And for an Intensity film version...of the first 125 pages...it was better than that shitty tv mini-series.
post #25 of 27
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I feel your pain, the film was simplistic, but solid up until...
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vitus Werdegast
Okay, time to dreg this up again....as I finally watched my copy. So, is Dean Koontz suing these guys?
I mean, I've only read one Kootnz book in my lifetime as I'd never heard too much good about his stuff, but I did read Intensity....I kinda liked the sound of the buzz around it when it came out and that nifty orange/yellow cover and...


SPOILERS


I even dragged out my paperback to check. The first 1 hour and 10 minutes of Haute Tension (High Tension...Intensity) are exactly more or less the first 125 pages of the book. 2 girls out to the one's family farm from school to study, killer comes in murders whole family while the guest girl sneaks around, she gets stuck in the killers truck with the friend as they drive away (though I believe friend is dead and its the thought of another girl in captive that keeps her going)--killer doesn't know she's in the truck, they stop at a gas station where she sneaks around the aisles and the killer kills the employees so she calls the cops and realizes she doesn't have enough info so she takes the employee's car and gives chase. Hmmmmm, seem familiar? I watched thru all the credits and didn't see any hint of Koontz's name at all as in "based on" etc.
It was just so weird, at the beginning I was thinking, wow this is just like that book Intensity.

But beyond the fact that the story was then ruined for me because I knew what was coming next after I realized it was a straight adaptation, you guys were right. That ending (well more, the last 15 minutes or so) was so fucking stupid. And it doesn't even come together....where did the truck come from? I guess she was just imagining being in the truck and giving herself imaginary head with the severed head? And, well, it's pointless to go on. Just fucking ridiculous.

Although, I did think the main girl was pretty hot. And for an Intensity film version...of the first 125 pages...it was better than that shitty tv mini-series.
we'll probably hear about koontz suing them after the film hits theatres. he probably doesnt even know the thing exists.
post #27 of 27
SPOILERS! SPOILERS! Highlight.




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Originally Posted by Dr. Vitus Werdegast
And it doesn't even come together....where did the truck come from? I guess she was just imagining being in the truck and giving herself imaginary head with the severed head? And, well, it's pointless to go on. Just fucking ridiculous.
Do we even know for sure that she rode out with Alex to her family's house? That may have all been a part of her imagination. When A is free to talk in the end she doesn't show if she already knew her or not. M is the one who keeps insisting she's her friend. Also, remember when A asks M to leave the birds alone, otherwise they'll start up a racket? Why weren't the birds going crazy when all the killing was going on? Unless there were no birds in the first place, because M had never been in the home. OR .... M was A's guest and she found the truck on the farm itself, which probably makes more sense.
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